Wonder or wives' tale? Local dowser sounds ground with brass rods By Jeff Warren
Trying is believing. I stepped slowly across a burying ground, carrying two brass dowsing rods ahead of me. Held level and a little higher than my waist, the 21-inch rods pointed straight ahead. An additional five and a half inches of brass turned down at 90 degrees through my fingers. With my fingers curled, the long brass of the rods lay across my index fingers between the hand and first knuckle. At the 90-degree bend, the short handles pointed straight down, curled inside my fingers, excluding the two smallest digits. The brass rode against the outside of my pinkie fingers. Thumbs stayed folded out of the way. As I moved on to a grave, the rods turned inward toward each other and aligned parallel to the plot. The sensation was only as eerie as watching the play of a compass needle. I was doing this under the tutelage of an expert, Jasper dowser Joe Chastain. A longtime resident of Pickens County, Chastain is retired from Lockheed. He started dowsing when he was nineteen years old. "I didn't have a teacher," Chastain said. "The first time I ever used the rods, an old farmer had some. I was in a little disbelief." But as the rods acted in his hands, Chastain discovered there was something to it. Tradition calls for a forked peach branch when hunting for water, but that is unnecessary, Chastain says. Any forked stick, dry or green, works just as good, the expert said. "The forked stick that the old-timers use works very good with water," Chastain said. "It works with me too. I just don't like it." "Brass is easier," Chastain explained. "I like to think it picks up better, but that's just me. Aluminum is not good, because it's too light. It doesn't feel right in your hands." Fine-tuning the art, Chastain discovered he could find most anything with the rods: water pipes; mineral veins; a quarter tossed out on the ground. Chastain said that when crossing a vein of iron ore "the rods will open, close and open again." "Water is the most pronounced thing you'll find when you look for something," Chastain said. But he said the rods' reaction to graves is also pronounced. Some fifteen years ago, Chastain taught Carl Etheridge to use the rods. Now retired from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Etheridge was chief ranger in charge of land management at the Corps' Allatoona reservoir when Chastain taught him the dowser's art. With some information from a member of the Brooke family and his newfound dowsing skills, Etheridge said he located the old Brooke family cemetery on Corps land after a topographical map plotted the graveyard in the wrong position. He located the graveyard in the Sweetwater Campground near Lake Allatoona in Cherokee County, Etheridge said. A monument marks the site today. Etheridge has practiced his dowsing to a point where he now assists land developers in locating graves to move them. Etheridge said he once assisted an archaeologist, moving some graves. Using his dowsing rods, Etheridge said, he found one more grave than the archaeologist. The scientist told Etheridge he had only found a stump hole and wrapped up the dig without exploring the final find. Etheridge said he shortly returned to the finished dig and conducted a dig of his own. He said he found an infant grave: coffin hardware and glass from a porthole-style coffin, popular in the late 1800s. Under the glass was the one piece of bone Etheridge discovered in the grave, the back of a child's skull. Etheridge said in Georgia's acidic soil, sometimes all you find in an old grave is a blue residue in the soil indicating where the body lay. Etheridge said he boxed all the contents of the child grave he found and presented them to the doubting archaeologist. But if dowsing for graves works, the question is why. Chastain says anything buried, whether once living or not, gives off rings of energy--something like the magnetic lines of force surrounding a magnet. For the Pickens County Historical Society, Chastain has located what are believed to be unmarked graves at the Fitzsimmons Cemetery at Marble Hill. Society members also believe he has found 20 graves of the previously lost Daniels Cemetery near Tate. But if folks ask too many questions regarding the science of the process, Chastain sometimes tells them it might more than they need to know. Soft-spoken and slightly mystical in demeanor, Chastain's large brown eyes peer through eyeglasses with gentle intensity. Around him, you get the sense Chastain is tuned to the natural world. And while science might attempt to explain Chastain's locating technique, it would fall all over itself trying to explain some of his other claimed abilities with the rods. The rods can tell him the gender of a grave occupant, Chastain says. "Normally, on a female, the rod will point to the head," he explained. "On a male, to the feet." Chastain admits he is the only dowser he knows who can make the gender determination. Chastain says he can know if there is more than one occupant in a grave. Sometimes women who died in childbirth were buried with the child lost in the birthing. But more eerie still, Chastain says he can feel through the rods if a grave occupant died a violent death. He says the brass goes crazy in his hands. Wives tales? Maybe. I can only say I know the rods aligned with a grave when I stepped across it. Chastain says focusing your mind on what you are hunting is the key to finding with the rods--tuning yourself to the pointing brass. "You have to know how to use 'em. You have to know how to hold 'em. You have to know how to read 'em," Chastain said. "Don't bury it," he said. "I'll find
This is the man he killed before Mrs Duncan: 42 year old Retiree: very spiritual..
Scenic Area Morphs Into Gruesome Crime Scene
Michael Scot Louis' remains were found next to the scenic Tomoka River in Ormond Beach, Fla.
View LargerOn December 6, 2007, a Florida fisherman took his rod and reel and headed to a fishing spot on the Tomoka River in Ormond Beach. Casting his line in the hopes of getting a bite, he noticed a group of vultures in some nearby brush. Curious as to what was attracting the vulture's attention, the man walked to the brush to investigate. What he would find has Ormond Beach police hunting for a heartless killer.
There were several black trash bags. The fisherman noticed a strange odor. And then he saw something he'll never forget. Inside the trash bags were dismembered human remains. He called the police, and a disturbing investigation began.
Police say Michael was known as a quiet, introverted homebody; so far they are not sure who would want to do such a horrible thing to him. Identifying The Victim
Leads from the public helped police identify their victim, Michael Scot Louis, 27. View LargerBecause of the body's condition, police were initially unable to identify their victim. But, cops say there were some homemade tattoos on the remains that the killer did not remove. Police used the media to get the story out to the public, and soon after they received a call from a citizen, stating that 27-year-old Michael Scot Louis had been missing since around November 21. Police followed up on the lead, and they were able to determine the remains were in fact that of Michael Scot Louis, a quiet local who worked at Wal-Mart. But, the answer to one mystery would spawn even more questions. Who killed Michael and who mutilated his body? If he'd been missing since November 21, what transpired between then and December 6, when his remains were discovered?
Police say the time of death had been determined as 2-7 days before Michael's remains were found. That means there is a period of time where Michael may have been alive but unaccounted for. And investigators say his cell phone was active for some time after Michael was last seen. The mystery grew, and then another piece of the puzzle was discovered, adding more questions to the investigation
By JEREMY REDMON, JEFFRY SCOTT The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 01/13/08
He fancied himself a soldier "on perpetual field maneuvers." He recently lived and camped out of his minivan, purposely subjecting himself to hardship. He used to carry a gun because, he said, there's "a lot of crazy things going on in the world."
He was a petty criminal, a transient workman who pulled his own teeth, someone who made people uncomfortable with his odd mannerisms.
POUYA DIANAT/Staff Gary Hilton was officially charged with the murder of hiker Meredith Emerson in Dawson County court on Wednesday. He is a suspect in several similar killings. In each case the victims were found in state or national parks and their ATM cards were used after their deaths. Previous charges in other years included arson, hit and run and marijuana possession.
Ben Gray/Staff Gary Michael Hilton, accused of murdering Meredith Emerson, is a longtime petty criminal.
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And Gary Michael Hilton, the 61-year-old man accused of killing Buford hiker Meredith Emerson and a suspect in the beating deaths of two other females, generally did not like women, his onetime landlord said.
"He was a weird character," said Chris C. Johnson, who rented a room to Hilton for several months in 1995 in the Marietta area. "I remember him referring to women very negatively. He kind of had a real bad, negative attitude against everyone. He really didn't like anyone ... women specifically."
John Tabor, who recently gave Hilton a place to stay and hired him to do odd jobs, said Hilton in September threatened to kill him if he didn't give him $10,000. Hilton needed the money because his mental and physical health had deteriorated to the point where he couldn't work, said Jana Tabor, John's wife.
It was the Tabors who first tipped authorities to Hilton's identification after they saw an artist's sketch of him on CNN. They spoke about him on Saturday, the first time they've discussed details about the man they knew peripherally for about 10 years.
The Emerson case put Hilton at the center of a disturbing crime that has captured widespread attention and reignited murder investigations in Florida and North Carolina. The crime against a vibrant young woman in a public place has resonated across the nation as people consider the randomness of the brutal slaying — and reconsider their own safety.
Hilton's nomadic ways make him somewhat of a mystery. Unlike the gregarious Emerson, Hilton, who is being held without bond at the Dawson County jail, does not have a cadre of friends to explain his behavior or speculate on the events leading to his arrest. Police have provided little insight.
Not recalled kindly
Johnson is fairly typical of those who crossed paths with Hilton as he bounced around North Georgia for the past 30 years, from Clayton County to an intown apartment to the woods of Cherokee County to the mountains of North Georgia. Most had fleeting encounters with the man. Few remember him kindly.
In his travels, he was charged with beating up a housemate, flimflamming people with a bogus charity and accused of roughing up a girlfriend's young son.
Johnson remembered Hilton often carried an expandable baton — the kind of weapon found in the Emerson investigation — and went for hikes on Kennesaw Mountain with his dog, a golden retriever, which he had strictly trained.
Johnson recalled a violent incident between Hilton and another boarder in 1995.
Cobb County police arrested Hilton and charged him with simple battery. He spent two months in the county jail before being shipped to DeKalb County to face other charges.
Months before his recent arrest in the Emerson case, a Cherokee County sheriff's camera recorded a 30-minute exchange Hilton had with a deputy. Someone called Cherokee authorities on Oct. 26, complaining Hilton was trespassing on private property. The deputy responding to the call found Hilton parked in some woods on the side of the road with camping gear sprawled out on the grass.
On the video, Hilton is animated and chatty. He said he got lost while traveling from Lawrenceville to Cohutta, which is near the Tennessee border. Hilton tells Deputy Will Ballard he served as an Army paratrooper in the 1960s and that camping comes naturally to him.
"Typical training would be a 20-kilometer land navigation problem ... carrying a heavy load, move as rapidly as possible," he said of his Army training. "We would run that stuff over and over. I got it in my blood. What I am doing is I am on perpetual field maneuvers."
Hilton also tells Ballard that he has suffered from multiple sclerosis for years.
"I carry a doctor's written diagnosis right in with my license because sometimes it will make me stagger somewhat," he said. "It will affect my posture and my gait. What I call this is camping therapy. And I do it just like the Army, subjecting yourself to hardship."
As the two go to retrieve identification from Hilton's van, Hilton warns the deputy that he has an expandable baton among his belongings.
"Don't get nervous," Hilton tells Ballard. "I won't get out of the truck without it, man."
Ballard ultimately lets Hilton go after determining there are no outstanding arrest warrants for him. As the two part, Hilton warmly tells Ballard: "Hey, I love ya."
Links to other murders
In the two months since that encounter, he's been charged in the bludgeoning death and subsequent decapitation of Emerson, and has been identified as a suspect in several similar killings.
Leon County, Fla., authorities say they will charge Hilton in the slaying of Cheryl Hodges Dunlap, 46, of Crawfordville, Fla. She went missing Dec. 1 and was found dead in Apalachicola National Forest on Dec. 15.
Also, North Carolina officials have named Hilton as a suspect in the slaying in October of an elderly couple.
Avid hikers John, 79, and Irene Bryant, 84, were last seen alive on Oct. 20 in the Pisgah National Forest in western North Carolina. Her body was found bludgeoned three weeks later while John Bryant remains missing and is believed dead.
In each case, officials have placed Hilton in the vicinity. Further, each of the victims' ATM cards were used, and the bodies were recovered in state or national forests.
Hilton also had encounters with police that didn't land him in jail.
Pam Burnett, who often walks her dogs at Murphey Candler Park in DeKalb, said Hilton often hung out there, acting strangely, carrying an expandable baton and sometimes yelling at her to keep her dogs away from him. Burnett said Hilton once threatened her and her dogs with a stick in 2004. She said she called 911 and DeKalb County police responded by questioning him at the park.
That same year, someone called police from Skyland Park in DeKalb, saying a man was beating a dog. A police report identified the man as Hilton.
Hilton piled up a record of charges in DeKalb County before those encounters. Jail records show Hilton had been charged with theft, stealing a shopping cart, possession of marijuana, hit and run and arson between 1979 and 1995. His record dates to 1972, when he was charged in Miami with dealing in stolen property.
Court records show he pleaded no contest in DeKalb County to seeking donations for the Georgia Youth Sports Project, a fictitious group that was throwing a celebration for a child who set a new athletic record.
Previous relationships
Hilton wasn't always a loner. He was married at least once, then divorced his wife, Sue, in 1969 in DeKalb County, records show. She declined to comment. After his divorce, Hilton moved into an apartment in Clarkston, where he dated the late Cynthia Nassar, said her son, Clint Roszelle, who was about 10 years old at the time.
"I didn't like the way he acted. He seemed creepy to me, even as a child," Roszelle said. "I remember he was baby-sitting my youngest brother at one time and I caught him spanking him with a hairbrush, bare bottom."
Beyond the personal relationships, he made customers uncomfortable as he worked for Tabor, who owned Insulated Wall Systems. The first time Robyn McKinney met Hilton, he made her uneasy.
"He was a crazy man," said McKinney, who, along with her husband, hired Tabor's company to do some work on their Snellville home in 2004. "He had rotted teeth. He acted and talked really strange."
Tabor said Saturday that his relationship with Hilton was almost exclusively over the phone, though Tabor let Hilton live at a building he owned on Clairmont Road in Chamblee. Tabor kicked him out in September after Hilton threatened to kill Tabor.
Jana Tabor said Hilton's behavior had become erratic, and she attributed it to his medication.
"He had self-diagnosed himself as having M.S., and he was going to this quack doctor and he was taking an incredible amount of Ritalin," Jana Tabor said. "He already had one of those upbeat energetic personalities, and that just make it warp speed, made him crazy."
Jana Tabor disputes that Hilton's teeth were rotten.
"They weren't rotten," she said. "He pulled them out himself."
Despite their falling out, the Tabors were stunned that Hilton could be accused of such heinous killings.
"We were not harboring somebody who was a monster," she said. "My god, it's just unspeakable what he has done."
Well before the Tabors met him, in 1983, Hilton was convicted in Clayton County of carrying a pistol without a license in a trial that also saw him convicted of a drug charge. Asked in court why he carried a gun, he pointed out he didn't need one, but that he had one "for protection."
"There is a lot of crime," he said, "and a lot of crazy things going on in the world."
— Staff writers Yolanda Rodriguez, Kathy Jefcoats, Christian Boone and Tim Eberly, and staff researcher Alice Wertheim contributed to this report.
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Gary Hilton's Interviews with Law Enforcement
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Below are the transcripts of law enforcement interviews with Gary Michael Hilton, the man accused of murdering Meredith Emerson.
Warning: Some of the transcript contains explicit details about Emerson's death that may be considered disturbing.
TRANSCRIPT OF GBI INTERVIEW WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH). GBI SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF'S INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD) UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI) UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: . . . SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES, SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE. TODAY'S DATE IS JANUARY 7TH, 2008. TIME IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR FIFTY, UH, FOUR FIFTY FIVE P.M. GONNA BE CONDUCTING AN IN CUSTODY INTERVIEW ALONG WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON AND HIS ATTORNEY WILL BE PRESENT ALSO. (NOISE, NON-PERTINENT UNTIL HILTON ARRIVES) (PARTICIPANTS GREET EACH OTHER) GMH: CAN WE UNCHAIN? (UI) I MEAN, YOU KNOW . . . CB: NO, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST STAY LIKE THAT FOR RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT. ACTUALLY, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS . . . (NOISE, UI, TALKING IN BACKGROUND) JC: . . . IF YOU'LL TELL ME THE AREA . . . GMH: YEAH, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE. JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: IT'S DAWSON FOREST (UI) JC: DAWSON FOREST? O.K. GMH: (UI) JC: I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. GMH: OKAY (UI) OH, GOOD. IT'S A NICE PLACE ISN'T IT . . . THERE'S A UH, THIS, THIS UH, IT'S THE CITY OF ATLANTA TRACK, THERE'S A NUMBER OF TRACKS. JC: THERE IS. GMH: OKAY. AND THIS CITY, THE ATLANTA TRACK IS BISECTED BY UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD. JC: RIGHT. IT'S OFF FIFTY THREE? GMH: YES IT IS. AND, AND THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: AND IT GOES THROUGH, RIGHT, THIS IS SHOAL CREEK, AND IT CROSSES AND IT FORDS THE CREEK ON, ON A, CONCRETE FORD. AND IT CONTINUES ON AND IT COMES OUT ONTO DAWSON FOREST ROAD. JC: RIGHT. GMH: EAST, WHICH IS THERE. AND IF YOU WERE TO ENTER FROM THIS DIRECTION, WHICH IS WHERE YOU, YOU'D WANT TO COME FROM. JC: FROM HIGHWAY NINE? GMH: UH, FROM NINE, FOUR, FOUR HUNDRED, NINE. JC: OKAY. GMH: EITHER WAY. UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW. JC: WE'LL GO IN FROM NINE. GMH: UH, OKAY. YOU'RE GOING IN FROM NINE. OKAY. MAKE A RIGHT ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD. GO TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND GO UP AND THERE'S A . . . JC: TURN, TURN ON SHOAL CREEK? GMH: I'M SORRY. TURN NORTH, TURN RIGHT OR NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK. THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD. I'LL START MAKING MARKS ALL OVER (UI) COME IN FROM HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST ROAD. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD ALSO. MAKE, MAKE A RIGHT OR WEST. JC: RIGHT. GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH. OKAY? NOW. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD. MAKE A RIGHT ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH BECOMES DIRT. AND THERE IS UH, SEVERAL GATED ROADS UH, OFF OF THE WEST SIDE. THEY'RE NOT ON THE MAP. THEY'RE GATED AND THE GATES ARE CLOSED AND THEY ARE DESIGNATED AS TRAILS. JC: RIGHT. GMH: AS HIKER TRAILS, BIKE TRAILS, AND EQUESTRIAN TRAILS . . . UH, THEY ARE HEAVILY USED EQUESTRIAN TRAILS CAUSE THERE'S MANY TRACKS, FRESH TRACKS AND FRESH HORSE TRACKS, AND HORSE DROPPINGS AND SO YOU WOULD TAKE UH, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD YOU WOULD TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS NORTH, OR, OR RIGHT, AND I, IF, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST ROAD UH, TO YOUR LEFT, IT IS UH, DESIGNATED UH, AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, AND BIKING TRAIL, A GATED ROAD WITH A GATE ACROSS IT. AND AS FAR AS I REMEMBER IT IS THE FIRST ONE. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND A, ANOTHER WAY TO, TO MAKE, ENSURE THAT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT ROAD, IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THAT ROAD, ON EITHER SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD IS A SIGN THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT. JC: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: OKAY? SO THAT, THAT WILL BE YOUR, AND I THINK IT'S THE FIRST ONE. I'M ALMOST . . . JC: DOES IT TURN OFF TO THE LEFT (UI) GMH: YES, TO THE, TO THE LEFT AND, OR WEST. JC: HOW FAR DOWN, HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD? GMH: OKAY. AND SO YOU WOULD, IT'S A GATED ROAD, AND YOU WOULD GO UH, DOWN THAT ROAD A, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, A WAY TO UH, RECOGNIZE THE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE OFF UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THE BODY WILL BE. JC: O, OKAY. GMH: OKAY. AND UH, A LANDMARK FOR THAT WILL BE THE TRAIL UH, THE HIKER OR HORSEBACK TRAIL IS DOUBLE BLAZED, IT HAS TWO BLAZES 'CAUSE IT'S TWO TRAILS TOGETHER. ONE IS A, LIKE A LAVENDER, ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS DOWN? OKAY. ONE IS A LAVENDER BLAZE OR GRAY BL, SOME, YOU KNOW . . . JC: RIGHT. GMH: . . .A BLAZE, AND ONE IS A WHITE BLAZE. BY BLAZE I MEAN A SQUARE STENCILED ONTO A TREE. JC: CORRECT. GMH: OKAY. IT'S DOUBLE BLAZED. AND UH, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN ON THE, DOWN, YOU KNOW, WEST, UH, IS, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE. IF, IF YOU GO PAST THAT DOUBLE BLAZE YOU'LL SEE A, ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT ANOTHER FIFTY YARDS. BUT IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE. JC: OKAY. GMH: THEN YOU WOULD TURN OFF THE ROAD . . . JC: WHICH WAY? GMH: SOUTH . . . JC: SOUTH . . . GMH: . . . OR LEFT . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: OKAY, AND THE BODY WILL BE UH, APPROXIMATELY FORTY YARDS OR A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: UH, OFF OF THAT, UH, SOUTH OF THAT . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: IT'S COVERED BY LEAVES AND UH, BRUSH. AND A WAY TO TELL IF YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR IS THAT THE, UH, SOUTH OR LEFT SIDE IS NO LONGER RELATIVELY LEVEL. IT BECOMES A, A STEEP EMBANKMENT TO YOUR LEFT. IF, IF THAT, THAT OCCURS, IF TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES IN THAT MANNER . . . JC: RIGHT. GMH: THEN YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR. JC: OKAY. GMH: YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE. I ACTUALLY WALKED PAST IT ONE TIME MYSELF. AND . . . JC: YOU SAID THE BODY IS DOWN THERE ON THE LEFT (UI) ROAD (UI) GMH: ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET OR FORTY YARDS . . . JC: IS IT, AND UNDER SOME LEAVES AND BRUSH. GMH: UNDER JUST A PILE OF LEAVES AND BRUSH. BUT NOT BURIED. JC: OKAY. IS, IS IT WRAPPED IN ANYTHING? GMH: NO, IT ISN'T. JC: IS IT, IS IT CLOTHED? GMH: UH, NO, IT ISN'T. JC: IS IT INTACT? GMH: NO, IT ISN'T. JC: OKAY. GMH: I'LL TELL YOU . . . JC: YOU WANT TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THAT? GMH: OKAY. YES. THE HEAD WILL BE MISSING. JC: WHERE IS THE HEAD? GMH: THE ONLY REASON BY THE WAY THE HEAD WAS REMOVED WAS FORENSICALLY. JC: YEAH. RIGHT. GMH: IN OTHER WORDS IS THE HAIR IS FULL OF FIBERS. JC: SURE. GMH: AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. JC: WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE HEAD BE? GMH: OKAY. I'M GONNA TELL YOU. THEN TO LOCATE THAT CONTINUE NORTH ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: I MEAN, ON SHOAL . . I'M SORRY . . . JC: SO YOU COME BACK OUT OF THAT (UI) GMH: COME BACK OUT . . . JC: TO SHOAL CREEK . . . GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. TURN LEFT OR NORTH. JC: GOT IT. GMH: GO PAST THE DOUBLE SIGN NO BICYCLES ALLOWED. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE ABOUT THE SECOND GATED ROAD AND IT WOULD BE UH, APPROXIMATELY A HALF A MILE NORTH. AND IT WILL BE ON . . . JC: LEFT, LEFT, OR EAST OR WEST? GMH: IT WILL BE OFF, OFF TO THE LEFT OR WEST . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: OKAY. AND UH, IT WILL BE ON A, A RIDGE LINE, UH, THE ROAD IS. THE ROAD IS ON A RIDGE LINE AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER TOPOGRAPHY. IT WILL BE A PRONOUNCED RIDGE THAT FALLS OFF TO EITHER SIDE. AND UH, SO, AND IT'S GOT A GATE ACROSS IT. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY THE ROAD IS THERE, SO YOU WOULD TURN LEFT OR WEST, AND UH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE HARDER TO FIND. YOU'RE GONNA NEED A DOG FOR THIS, I BELIEVE. JC: CAN YOU HELP US? GMH: WELL, I'LL HELP. JC: OKAY. GMH: I, I, IT'S, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TO GO THERE, THOUGH, I MEAN . . . JC: WELL, WE . . . GMH: . . . BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND . . . JC: WHAT I'D LIKE . . . GMH: . . . IF I'M GONNA HELP YOU, I'M GONNA HELP YOU. JC: WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO . . . GMH: YOU KNOW. JC: . . . IS, IS TRY TO FIND IT WITHOUT YOU. BUT YEAH TAKE YOU DOWN THERE, AND IF WE NEED HIM HE'S THERE TO HELP. GMH: COULD I HAVE SOME PAPER? CB: YES. THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT IT. (UI) JC: WELL, GO, GO AHEAD AND TELL US . . . GMH: I'M GONNA DRAW YOU GUYS A MAP (UI) JC: WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU DOWN THERE BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, IF WE DON'T NEED YOU (UI) CB: IF WE NEED YOU WE MAY NEED TO BRING YOU IN THERE OR WHATEVER. GMH: UH, SO NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE (UI) AND SO . . . AND THIS IS NOT (UI) BUT I JUST (UI) THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . .(NOISE) . . . AND OF COURSE NORTH. GMH: AND UH, THE BODY WOULD BE . . . DOWN HERE . . . JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: . . . THERE . . . OKAY . . . AND UH, THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE OTHER CLOSED GATED ROAD (UI) GATE. OKAY? JC: OKAY. GMH: AND YOU'LL CONTINUE ON TO HERE, HERE'S YOUR OTHER CLOSED ROAD. AND I THINK IT'S JUST THE SECOND ONE AFTER THAT ONE. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND THE WAY REALLY TO RECOGNIZE IT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU. JC: OKAY. GMH: HERE'S THE GATED OR CLOSED ROAD. AND THIS UH, IS UH, A CREEK OR DRAINAGE NOTCH, THIS IS UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SYMBOLS YOU WANT ME TO USE. OKAY, UH, DRAINAGE. OKAY, DRAINAGE. OKAY. AND THEN UH, THIS IS ALSO, SO THIS IS A RIDGE, MORE OR LESS, OF A, OF A RIDGE LINE THAT THE ROAD IS ON. JC: UH HUH. GMH: AND SO THE, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY UH, LET ME GET AN ESTIMATE HERE, FOOTAGE, UH . . . (NOISE) . . . THIRTY YARDS, UH, LIKE THAT, OKAY. AND THERE IS A, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES CUT DOWN EDGING THE ROAD. OKAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO STEP OVER THOSE. AND THEN THERE'S A, THESE ARE TREE TRUNKS. JC: UH HUH. GMH: AND THEN THERE'S A TREE TRUNK RIGHT THERE AND THE HEAD IS ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE FLIP, THE OTHER SIDE UH, JUST COVERED IN LEAVES. JC: DOES IT HAVE A BAG OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? JUST IN LEAVES? (UI) GMH: NO, NO, JUST IN LEAVES. AND YOU CAN LOOK, THIS IS DOWN HILL, UH, UH, I COULD DRAW A (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YOU'RE ON A RIDGE. AND YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT DOWN AND SEE SHOAL CREEK ROAD AS IT (UI) GOES, GOES AROUND (UI) INSIDE OF THE ROAD FROM HERE, ACTUALLY. JC: OKAY. GMH: THIS DRAINAGE IS JUST UH, A CLEAR CUT AREA (UI) . . . CB: HOW FAR IS THIS DID YOU SAY? SEVENTY . . . GMH: ABOUT THIRTY YARDS. CB: THIRTY YARDS. OKAY. GMH: AND, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DOWN TREES. THIS IS ALL FRONTED, SO TO SPEAK, BY DOWN TREES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: OKAY. JC: SO IT'S BEHIND . . . GMH: BUT IT . . . JC: (UI) TREES . . . A LOG OR (UI) GMH: IT'S, IT'S (UI) A FULL TREE TRUNK. JC: IS IT? OKAY. GMH: YEAH. BUT SEE, THIS, THIS IS A BUNCH OF YOUR BRUSH AND TREES AND IF YOU STEP OVER THIS, IF YOU JUST START CHECKING THE NORTH SIDE . . . JC: OKAY. CB: IS THERE ANY? GMH: UH, YOU'LL LOCATE IT. CB: IS THERE ANY TRAIL MARKINGS UP HERE? GMH: I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING REALLY (UI) HAS, THIS ONE HAS, THE, THE DIVIDED ROAD HAS A DESIGNATED UH . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: TRAIL SIGN . . . I DON'T REMEMBER THE . . . JC: YOU SAID ABOUT FIFTY FEET (UI) CB: FIFTY YARDS. GMH: NO, ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET. ABOUT FORTY YARDS. JC: FROM THE TURN? GMH: FROM UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD. YEAH. JC: OKAY. AND DOWN ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . . GMH: HOLD IT, I, NO, I DID SAY FIFTY, YEAH, OKAY, AND ABOUT FIF, AND THEN ABOUT, ABOUT FORTY . . . CB: IT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZED . . . GMH: YEAH. AND YOU'LL SEE THE DOUBLE BLAZES ARE ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE (UI) CB: THE SAME SIDE THE BODY WOULD BE ON. GMH: YEAH, YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, AND THE DOUBLE BLAZE IS ALMOST DUE NORTH OF THE BODY (UI) AND THEN THE ROAD WOULD CONTINUE ON. YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT THERE, BUT NOW THIS HAS BECOME A, THIS AREA HERE HAS BECOME A STEEP EMBANKMENT WHILE THIS IS ONLY RELATIVELY SHALLOW DOWNHILL. JC: OKAY. GMH: JUST MORE OR LESS LEVEL. NOTHING'S LEVEL UP THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. AND SO, BUT IT'S MORE OR LESS LEVEL DOWNHILL. IF YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE AND THIS, THE ROAD WILL BE STEEPLY EMBANKED TO THE SOUTH SIDE. JC: OKAY. GMH: OKAY, NOW, IF YOU PUT A DOG ON IT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL JUST COME UP WITH IT LIKE THAT. CB: OKAY, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS, IS THAT THE ONLY PORTION OF THE BODY THAT'S MISSING? GMH: THAT IS ALL. CB: OKAY. GMH: THAT IS ALL. CB: ALRIGHT. GMH: OH. AND I SHOULD MENTION, TOO, THAT BY HER HEAD IS UH, CLOTHING. MORE CLOTHING. NOT BESIDE HER HEAD, BUT IT'S UP AGAINST ANOTHER, IT'S WITHIN TWENTY FEET . . . JC: WHAT KIND OF CLOTHING? GMH: UH, UH, HER, A SWEATSHIRT OR SOMETHING. JC: OKAY. THAT KIND OF CLOTHING. UM: AND THE REASON THE BODY IS (UI) GMH: IT'S FORENSIC. FOR FORENSICS. UH, THE CLOTHING WOULD . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: SEE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS DISAPPEARANCE AT THAT TIME. JC: RIGHT. GMH: YOU SEE, I DIDN'T FIND THAT OUT TILL LATER ON IN THE DAY I STOPPED AT A GAS STATION AND I'M ON THE FRONT PAGE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: I HAD NO IDEA. SO I THOUGHT I WAS, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD FORENSICALLY ERASE IT . . . CB: RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. GMH: THAT'S . . . CB: ONE THING, ONE THING THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE IS, IS MAYBE DISCUSS THIS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IT, HOW IT CAME TO BE AND WHATEVER, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT WITH Y'ALL. (NOISE) GMH: (UI) . . . I, I, MY ATTORNEY (UI) JC: (UI) I WAS JUST THINKING (UI) EITHER OR BOTH OF YOU UP THERE, BUT THAT'S YOUR CALL. NS: NOW COULD WE, LIKE UH . . . GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO BE INTERROGATED (UI) WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF MY ATTORNEY. JC: OH, THAT . . . CB: OH, NO, NO, THAT WON'T HAPPEN. THAT WON'T HAPPEN. GMH: (UI) IN ANY MATTER WITHOUT THE PRESENCE . . . CB: NO. THAT WON'T HAPPEN. GMH: I APOLOGIZE TO BOTH OF YOU GUYS . . . CB: NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO US. JC: I UNDERSTAND. GMH: YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. IT'S BEEN TRYING FOR YOU. I'M SURE THESE CASES ARE EMOTIONALLY WRENCHING. CB: YEAH. GMH: FOR YOU. CB: YEAH. GMH: BUT, THAT'S YOUR DAMN JOB. (LAUGHS) SO . . . (UI) CB: THAT'S RIGHT. JC: WELL WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING NOW IS (UI) (UI) GMH: JUST TAKE A DOG AND YOU'LL HAVE IT. (NOISE) GMH: AND IF THE DOG, UH, IN THE AREA OF THE HEAD, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE AREA OF HER BODY THAT THE DOG WOULD HIT ON. BUT THE DOG MIGHT HIT ON HER CLOTHING NEAR HER HEAD FIRST. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING FIRST . . . JC: UH HUH. GMH: . . . THEN THE HEAD IS GOING TO BE EAST OF THE CLOTHING, ABOUT TWENTY YARDS . . . JC: EAST OF THE CLOTHING. GMH: OF THE CLOTHING. OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GO WEST DOWN THE ROAD, THE HEAD IS THERE, TWENTY OR SO FEET ON FURTHER WEST IS THE CLOTHING. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING THEN COME BACK EAST ABOUT TWENTY FEET. LOOK. THERE'S, THERE'S A FALLEN TREE . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: ALIGNED . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: . . . EAST AND WEST, BASICALLY, THE FALLEN TREE. IT'S A LONG, IT'S A WHOLE INTACT TREE TRUNK . . . JC: WE JUST GOTTA GET ON THE ROAD . . . GMH: GET ON THE ROAD. YOU'RE GONNA GET DARK AND COLD. HEY TAKE GLOVES. JC: HE'S GOING. CB: HE'S GOING, HE'S GOING WITH, WITH ME AND . . . JC: WITH THE SHERIFF? CB: . . . AND, AND, ME AND . . . JC: Y'ALL (UI) CB: . . . AND . . . JC: OKAY. CB: YES SIR. GMH: YOU GUYS GOT IT IN YOU TO GO OR . . . JC: WELL TODD'S GONNA GO . . . UM: YEAH . . . YEAH. UM: YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA BE (UI) ARE YOU COMING OR WHAT? NS: WELL UH, YEAH, I CAN RIDE . . . GMH: OR YOU GOT A DINNER DATE? OKAY. NS: NO, NO, NO. I CAN RIDE. I JUST NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM BEFORE WE GO. CB: OKAY. GMH: HEY, YEAH, IT, I JUST WON'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF (UI) NS: RIGHT. (UI) CB: OKAY. I'M GONNA PUT THOSE BACK ON YOU AND WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR BLANKET BACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE. GMH: OKAY. THAT'LL BE GOOD . . . CB: YEAH. UM: (UI) BE THERE . . . GMH: 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, I HAVE MY LITTLE (UI) IT'S . . . CB: I UNDERSTAND. GMH: (UI) . . . TAKE, TAKING RITALIN AND THAT'S, IF THIS WILL KEEP (UI) CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. (NOISE, UI) CB: DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM. HE'S KINDA WRECKED. NOT WRECKED WRECKED, BUT I MEAN, IN, IN (UI) UH (UI) JC: HE'S ON THE WAY. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. (NOISE) GMH: NO, THANKS, NO. CB: YOU GOT HIM FOR JUST A SECOND (UI) YOU'RE WITH HIM FOR JUST A SECOND . . . (NOISE) CB: STOPPING TAPE APPROXIMATELY FIVE SIXTEEN P.M. (*END OF 1ST CD/TAPE)
TRANSCRIPT #2
FILE #: 306- TAPE #: DATE: TIME: TYPED BY: clc
TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED INTERVIEW OF GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH) BY GBI SPECIAL AGENT (SA) CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS), UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS), PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD), ENOTAH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT DISTRICT ATTORNEY STAN GUNTER (SG). UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI) UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: OKAY, I JUST WANTED, I'M, I'M ONLY (UI) IT'S UH, JUST SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING . . . NS: RIGHT. CB: THIS INCIDENT. NS: RIGHT. CB: HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD. DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO SHOAL CREEK. SG: AND THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE WOULD BE TO GO TO THE MALL OR GO (UI) CB: I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO RACK MY BRAIN ON HOW TO GET DOWN THERE TO IT, BUT UH . . . SG: WELL, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM OVER HERE . . . YOU COULD TAKE THOSE BACK ROADS TO FOUR HUNDRED. CB: DO YOU HAVE JOHN ON YOUR CELL PHONE? SG: I DO. CB: HE, HE (UI) SG: OH. I'D SAY THE QUICKEST WAY IS TO TAKE THOSE ROADS, BACK ROADS DOWN LONG BRANCH ROAD TO FOUR HUNDRED . . . CB: RIGHT. SG: AND PUT YOU DOWN ON HIGHWAY NINE (UI) (UI) DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO . . . CB: HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST, SHOAL CREEK. SG: SO . . . (UI, NOISE) SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER? CB: HUH? SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER? CB: YEAH. (NOISE) CB: THEY'LL FOLLOW US. SS: FOLLOW US? CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SS: IS THAT OKAY? CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SS: OKAY. (DOOR CLOSES, START VEHICLE, TRAVELING) GMH: YOU NEED ANYTHING TO EAT? NS: UH, I HAD A GOOD LUNCH AND I HAD UH, A COUPLE OF (UI) GMH: OKAY. NS: I'M ALRIGHT. UM: (UI) (UI) GMH: (UI) LOW BLOOD SUGAR. I'VE GOT TO KEEP YOU ALERT NOW. CB: SHERIFF, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE UH, TO TAKE YOUR POLICE RADIO DOWN JUST A NOTCH, OR OFF, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO HIM (UI) ON THE WAY DOWN THERE. SS: TURN 'ER OFF. CB: ALRIGHT. MR. HILTON, UH, BASICALLY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ASPECTS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY? (UI) YOU KNOW WHERE HIGHWAY NINE IS, DAWSON FOREST, AND ALL THAT STUFF? (UI) UH, TELL ME WHAT'S THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THERE. I MEAN, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR AT IT AS CAGLE WAS. GMH: WELL, WE WANT TO GET TO GEORGIA FOUR HUNDRED AND DAWSON FOREST ROAD, IT'S UH . . . CB: UH, TAKE A LEFT, GO DOWN TO UH, WHAT IS THAT . . . (UI) FOUR HUNDRED. YOU KNOW WHICH WAY TO FOUR HUNDRED FROM HERE, DON'T YOU SHERIFF? SS: YEAH, I DO. CB: HUH? SS: IF YOU WANT TO TAKE FOUR HUNDRED THEN (UI) GMH: (UI) WITH A CIGARETTE (UI) UM: (UI) GMH: CUT LOOSE WITH A CIGARETTE SHERIFF, IF YOU GOT ANY (UI) CB: WHAT WE MIGHT DO IS WHEN WE GET DOWN THIS WAY WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU OUT OF THE VEHICLE AND LET YOU SMOKE ONE IF THAT'S OKAY. GMH: OKAY. CB: I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEY WANTS YOU TO SMOKE IN BETWEEN US, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT A SMOKER MYSELF . . . GMH: YEAH, FORGET IT. . . . I, I DON'T HAVE ANY (UI) GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. WELL WE, WE, WE'LL CERTAINLY TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT, WITH THAT. BUT BASICALLY UH, DID YOU KNOW MEREDITH EMERSON BEFORE . . . GMH: NO. CB: . . . THE OTHER DAY? (PAUSE) WHEN DID YOU UH, COME TO THE, HERBERT REECE TRAIL UP THERE? WHAT DAY DID YOU ARRIVE UP THERE? GMH: PROBABLY ABOUT UH, TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE. CB: TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE? GMH: UH HUH. OR IT WAS (UI) YOU KNOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT DATE . . . CB: SO IT WAS PROBABLY DECEMBER TWENTY-EIGHTH . . . GMH: I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DATE . . . CB: SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE . . . GMH: (UI) THE UH, THIS THING OCCURRED. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. GMH: I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OR, OH, IT WAS THE FIRST. NOW I KNOW. I, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS NEW YEAR'S OR (UI) . . . OKAY. IT WAS TWO OR THREE DAYS. CB: OKAY. TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE. GMH: UH HUH. CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU CAMP SPECIFICALLY AT THAT LOCATION, OR . .. GMH: UH, YEAH, I DID STAY IN MY VEHICLE THERE. OF COURSE THERE'S NO CAMPING ALLOWED IN THE PARKING LOT THERE. UH, HOWEVER, BY BEING DISCREET . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: OFF LOADING A LITTLE OUT OF THE VAN I WAS ABLE TO STAY IN THE VAN IN THE PARKING LOT AND UH, IN THE PARKING LOT. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND AT WHAT TIME, OR WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME AWARE OF HER? WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE HER? GMH: UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN. AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE HERBERT UH, REESE CONNECTOR TRAIL AND THE A.T. (APPALACHIAN TRAIL) AT THAT INTERSECTION. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THAT, UH, HOW DID YOU START UP A CONVERSATION WITH HER (UI) GMH: UH, DOGS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE DOGS UH, DOGS ARE GONNA MEET AND I, ANYTIME I ENCOUNTER SOMEONE WITH A, A LOOSE DOG SPECIFICALLY, WHICH BOTH OF OURS WERE, A LARGER DOG, I IMMEDIATELY DETERMINE THE SEX OF THE DOG BECAUSE I HAVE A MALE AND I, I DON'T ALLOW MY DOG TO MEET ADULT MALES . . . CB: SO YOU ASKED, YOU ASKED HER WHAT SEX HER DOG WAS? GMH: OR, YEAH, THAT KIND OF THING. AND SHE STOPPED AT THAT LOCATION TO EAT AND UH, EAT SOME TRAIL MIX AND TO GIVE HER, GIVE HER DOG WATER. CB: OKAY, OKAY, AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DOG? GMH: THEN UH, WE BOTH STARTED UP. CB: STARTED UP? GMH: (UI) A.T., YEAH . . . CB: TOWARDS THE SUMMIT? GMH: A.T. . . . CB: UP THAT WAY? GMH: A.T. WESTBOUND. THE A.T. IS YEAH, WESTBOUND, UP HILL. IT WAS WESTBOUND UP HILL TOWARDS THE SUMMIT. CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU HIKE TOGETHER? GMH: FOR A DISTANCE AND UH, THEN SHE UH, I WAS, I'M SICK WITH MY (UI) AND I, I DID NOT EVEN REALLY ATTEMPT TO STAY UP WITH HER REALLY. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO SHE WENT ON AHEAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: I, THEN I TOLD HER UH, YOU KNOW, WE CHIT CHATTED ABOUT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHATEVER (UI) YOU KNOW (UI) DURING THE TIME WE WERE TOGETHER. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT SOMETHING OR THE OTHER AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 'CAUSE YOU, ANYTIME YOU WALK UP, THAT'S THE MOST HEAVILY USED STATE HIKING TRAIL IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA BY THE WAY IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE, IT'S FULL OF DOGS. SO YOU TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. AS, AS YOU WELL KNOW I WAS SEEN WITH HER.CB: RIGHT. GMH: (UI) SO WE TALKED AND THEN UH, SHE WAS MOVING ON AHEAD. SHE WAS CARRYING NOTHING UH, TO SPEAK OF, EXCEPT A FANNY PACK. NOT ENOUGH TO BE HIKING UP THERE, BUT NO ONE IS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: NO ONE IS ON, ON THAT TRAIL IS, IS EQUIPPED TO BE UP THERE. ON THE MOUNTAIN. ESPECIALLY IN THAT KIND OF WEATHER. NOBODY IS. EXCEPT ME. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I CARRY ABOUT TWENTY POUNDS PHYSICALLY BECAUSE, FOR THAT KIND OF HIKE. (UI) DAYLIGHT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: (UI) SO. SHE OUT DISTANCED ME AND I SAID I'LL LET YOU GO ON AHEAD (UI) CB: DID YOU UH . . . DID YOU FORM AN OPINION AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU FORM AN IDEA AT THAT POINT THAT YOU WANTED TO ABDUCT HER AT THAT POINT? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: THIS WAS DRIVEN REALLY BY NOTHING BUT THE WELL, THE DESIRE TO OBTAIN HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER. CB: THAT WAS THE SOLE PURPOSE YOU WANTED HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER? GMH: YEAH, AND YEAH, AND UH, RATHER THAN PICK A GUY WHO WOULD, OR A COUPLE, UH, WITH A GUY WHO, WHO MIGHT REALLY FIGHT, YOU KNOW . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: BECAUSE IF YOU WANT A CARD AND PIN NUMBER AND THE GUY FIGHTS YOU AND YOU GOTTA KILL HIM, WELL WHERE ARE YOU AT? CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO I FELT IT WOULD BE, I KNEW IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ESTABLISH CONTROL OVER A, A, A FEMALE, ANY FEMALE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . THAN IT WOULD A MALE. NOT THAT I COULDN'T WHOOP A MALE, BUT ONCE YOU WHIP 'EM, UH, IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT BE LEFT HOLDING IT IN THE BAG. SO TO SPEAK. CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. ALRIGHT UH . . .(PAUSE, NOISE) . . . OKAY, WHEN, WHEN DID YOU COME BACK IN CONTACT WITH HER AFTER SHE LEFT YOU ON A.T.? GMH: ON HER RETURN TRIP DOWN. I WAS STILL MORE OR LESS ON THE WAY UP. CB: OKAY. WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: WALKED UP, WALKED ALONG WITH HER. CB: OKAY. DID YOU GUYS TALK? GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. CB: WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT? GMH: WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY I WALKED ALONG WITH HER. WE WERE JUST IN LOOSE CONTACT ON THE TRAIL. SHE WAS AHEAD OF ME A GOOD BIT OF COURSE IT'S A SINGLE TRACK TRAIL ANYWAY . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU CAN'T WALK ABREAST ANYWAY. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND SO, SO, YOU KNOW. I WOULD BE IN PROXIMITY TO HER SOMETIMES AND SOMETIMES SHE WOULD BE AHEAD OF ME. AGAIN, IT WAS, WE TALKED OF NOTHING . . . I, I, I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU I UH (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW, NOTHING OF, YOU KNOW, JUST, I DON'T KNOW, UH . . . I, I, I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DAY AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AVOIDING, EVADING, I, I, I, YOU KNOW . . . CB: NO, HER SPECIFICALLY, YOU, YOU, YOU HAD DECIDED TO ABDUCT HER WHEN YOU MET HER ON THE TRAIL (UI) GMH: WELL, I SHOULD SAY POTENTIALLY. CB: SHE WAS A, SHE WAS A GOOD POTENTIAL PERSON TO GET GMH: POTENTIALLY. CB: . . . HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER? GMH: YEAH. YEAH. IF NOTHING ELSE BETTER CAME ALONG. CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. GMH: IF ANYTHING BETTER CAME ALONG, UH POTENTIALLY…CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . HOW DID YOU UH, OR, OR BASICALLY Y'ALL TURNED BACK DOWN THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL . . . GMH: HERBERT REESE TRAIL. CB: OKAY. GMH: THE ACT OCCURRED, THE DEMAND OCCURRED UH, AT THE POINT WHERE THE UH, WATER BOTTLES AND BATON WERE FOUND AND LEASH AND DOG TREATS. CB: OKAY. GMH: THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE DEMAND OCCURRED. CB: OKAY. AND BY DEM, BY DEMAND, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, WHAT, WHAT . . . GMH: GIVE ME YOUR CREDIT CARDS AND PIN NUMBER. CB: OKAY. (NOISE) CB: UH . . .ALRIGHT. AND, AND WHEN YOU DID THAT, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, DID YOU PRODUCE THE BATON . . . GMH: NO. CB: . . . OR WHAT, WHAT DID YOU PRODUCE? GMH: A KNIFE, A BAYONET. THE BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE. I, I LOST CONTROL AND THOUGHT SHE FOUGHT. AND UH, AS I READ IN THE PAPER SHE'S A MARTIAL ARTIST. CB: HOW DID, HOW DID . . . GMH: I READ IN THE PAPER SHE PRACTICED MARTIAL ARTS. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, AND SHE FOUGHT, AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE BLADE AND SLIGHTLY, VERY SLIGHTLY CUT HER HAND ON THE WEBBING BETWEEN HER THUMB AND FINGER . . . I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT TILL LATER ON AND I SAID WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CUT AT. SHE SAID WHEN I GRABBED THE KNIFE. AND UH, BUT SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE AND FOUGHT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEN I PRODUCED THE BATON. AND SHE FOUGHT THAT AND I LOST CONTROL OF THE BATON. AND I'M GOOD, TOO. THIS GIRL, WHO WAS, I THINK IT WAS YOU PROBABLY, OR ONE OF THE GBI'S SAID THAT LITTLE HUNDRED AND TWENTY POUND GIRL (UI) WHIP YOUR ASS, SO SHE ABOUT DID. SO I PRODUCED THE BATON, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAYONET, UH, I PRODUCED THE BATON, GRABBED THE BAT, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: WE STEPPED OFF THE TRAIL, WHICH IS CUT DEEPLY INTO THE SLOPE, UH, AND WE STEPPED OFF DOWN THE SLOPE AND TUMBLED DOWN THE SLOPE. SO IT WAS ALL DOWN. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND AT THAT TIME I DROPPED BOTH UH, THE BAT AND THE KNIFE. CB: OKAY. NOW YOU REGAINED CONTROL OF THE KNIFE OR WHEN SHE GRABBED IT, OR . . . GMH: DIDN'T I SAY LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE? ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HANDS ON IT (UI) CB: OKAY. SO YOU WENT FOR THE BATON AND (UI) GMH: YEAH. ONCE, ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HAND ON YOUR WEAPON YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU, YOU MAY REGAIN IT, BUT . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOUR TASK IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BATON, IS, IS NOT TO LET YOUR OPPONENT GET HOLD OF IT. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I DROPPED BOTH OF 'EM WHEN WE STUMBLED DOWN. THE TRAIL SWITCHED BACK AT THAT POINT SO WE TUMBLED DOWN HILL AND WE LANDED ON THE TRAIL DOWN HILL WHERE IT HAD SWITCHED BACK. AND (UI) CB: ALRIGHT. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS HAND, I PROBABLY HAVE MULTIPLE FRACTURES IN MY RIGHT HAND. CB: OKAY. GMH: I WAS NOT IN PAIN AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE MISPLACED. CB: OKAY. GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER AND I STILL COULDN'T GET CONTROL OF HER. SHE WOULD UH, FEIGN OR PRETEND THAT I WAS IN CONTROL AND THEN START FIGHTING AGAIN. SO I HAD TO, I HAD TO HIT HER A NUMBER OF TIMES. UH . . . CB: DID YOU HIT HER EVERY TIME WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND, OR . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: STRAIGHT IN, STRAIGHT IN PUNCHES. CB: THE FACE, OR . . . GMH: YEAH. OR, OR THE HEAD, OR THE HEAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: AS TO WHAT EXTENT SHE WAS INJURED, UH, THERE HER TWO EYES WERE SOMEWHAT BLACKENED. UH, SHE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. I, I CHECKED WITH HER A NUMBER OF TIMES AND SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN UH, AFTERWARDS SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN A HEADACHE. UH, I OFFERED HER, AND GAVE HER UH, ASPIRIN. THAT'S WAS AFTERWARDS. SO I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, I, … CB: ALRIGHT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. (NOISE) CB: OKAY. ONCE YOU HIT HER IN THE HEAD AND THE, AND THE FACE, HOW, HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT HAPPENED? GMH: REALLY HARD TO SAY. SHE WOULDN'T STOP, SHE WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T STOP FIGHTING, THEN SHE WOULD STOP, AND SHE'D START FIGHTING AGAIN. AND YELLING. UH, AT THE SAME TIME. UH, SO I, I NEEDED TO BOTH CONTROL HER AND SILENCE HER. CB: OKAY. UH, AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT CONTROL? (COUGH) GMH: WELL, UH . . . CB: OR HOW (UI) GMH: . . . I, I ONLY MOMENTARILY . . . CB: (UI) GMH: OKAY. WELL, I GOT HER TO STOP FIGHTING AND STOP YELLING. I SAID ALL I WANT IS YOUR CREDIT CARD AND PIN NUMBER MOVE OFF THE TRAIL. AND THERE WAS A CONTOUR LINE TRAIL THAT WENT OFF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. IN OTHER WORDS A CLOSED TRAIL. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THAT, THAT WAS CONTOURED AROUND OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. AND I SAID MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AND SHE STARTED MOVING AND THEN SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND WE TUMBLED OFF THAT TRAIL, DOWNHILL. BE ABLE TO FIND THE MARKS OF THAT WHERE WE TUMBLED OFF. IT'S NOT ON, ON THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL BUT IT IS A CLOSED TRAIL AND IT'S AT THAT SWITCH BACK WHERE WE FELL, THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL SWITCHES BACK . . . CB: RIGHT. I'M FAMILIAR. GMH: . . . AND UH, AND THIS IS THE, WELL, AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE BAT WAS FOUND. I, I, I (UI) SO . . . CB: YEAH. GMH: IT JUST CONTOURS AROUND OUT OF SIGHT. CB: BY BAT YOU MEAN BATON. GMH: BATON. RIGHT. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN. WE BOTH TUMBLED OFF THE TRAIL AND I HAD TO STRIKE HER SEVERAL MORE TIMES . . . CB: OKAY. (PAUSE) OKAY. GMH: SO I GOT CONTROL OF HER AGAIN. QUIETED HER DOWN. GOT CONTROL OF HER, KEPT HER MOVING DOWN THAT CLOSED TRAIL, AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN SO TO SPEAK. WE'RE MOVING IN A MORE OR LESS NORTHWESTERN DIRECTION. AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL, AND AT THAT POINT I PRODUCED A UH, A UH, IT'S LIKE A UH, DUCK TIE. OH, IT'S LIKE UH, HANDCUFFS THAT POLICE USE . . . CB: ZIP TIE? GMH: ZIP TIE, YEAH. CB: YEAH. GMH: EXCEPT THESE ARE JUST COMMERCIAL ZIP TIES, EIGHTEEN INCH ZIP TIES. CB: YOU REMEMBER WHAT COLOR THEY WERE? GMH: YEAH, BLACK. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT (UI) OH, YOU NEED TO GET (UI) THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS . . . I, I, I UH . . . CB: DID YOU HAVE A RUBBER BAND AROUND 'EM? GMH: YEAH. CB: WE DID FIND ONE. GMH: YEAH, I HAD A . . . OH, YOU DID? SO I ZIP TIED HER TO A TREE AND I UH, KNEW THAT I HAD TO GO AND CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. 'CAUSE I, I WAS AWARE THAT I HAD DROPPED ALL THAT STUFF, HER STUFF . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO I HAD TO GO BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. I TOLD HER TO BE QUIET AND STAY . . . CB: OKAY.. GMH: AND WENT BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE BUT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND. CB: AND BY THAT TIME IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND? GMH: SEE I HAD SAW THE THREE, OUT THERE WITH THREE HIKERS THAT HAD FOUND THE THINGS. THEY WERE NO LONGER THERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEY WERE HEADED DOWN THE SLOPE, THEY WERE LOOK . . . CB: WERE YOU CROUCHING BEHIND A ROCK AT THAT POINT? LOOKING AT THEM? GMH: UH, I (UI) BEGAN LOOKING AT THEM AND THEN I LAID DOWN FLAT IN THE TRAIL ABOVE THEM. CB: UH HUH. GMH: BECAUSE THERE IS A TRAIL THAT (UI) INTO A SLOPE AND SOMEONE BELOW . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . IF YOU LAID IN THE FLAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE (UI) . . . CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. GMH: OR INSULATED . . .SO TO SPEAK. UH, AND UH, I LAID DOWN IN THE TRAIL. AND THE STUFF WAS GONE. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? GMH: WENT BACK TO HER AND UH, CUT HER LOOSE. AND UH, SHE WAS NOT TIED AT ALL EXCEPT I, I PUT A LOOP AROUND HER NECK. CB: UH, WHAT KIND OF LOOP? GMH: UH, JUST A NYLON CORD, UH, THREE HUNDRED POUND TEST, JUST, IT WASN'T EVEN TIED. IT WAS LIKE A, A LOOP SLIP KNOT IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU TIE A LITTLE (UI) CB: NOT TIED. A SLIP KNOT. RIGHT? GMH: YEAH. AND UH, I TOLD HER THAT WE WERE MOVING DOWN HILL TO THE PARKING LOT. AND I WENT TO THE PARK, WE WENT TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT BY CROSS COUNTRY. CB: I GOT YOU. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. AT THIS POINT WAS HER HANDS FREE? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. DIDN'T HAVE THOSE ZIP TIED? GMH: NO. CB: JUST HAD THE LOOP, NOOSE, NOOSE AROUND HER NECK? GMH: YES, AND I TOLD HER I HAD A PISTOL, WHICH I DIDN'T HAVE A FIREARM. CB: OKAY. GMH: (UI) FIREARM. AND UH, AND I (UI) HER . . . BY, BY NOW SHE, I, NOW, NOW, BY THAT TIME, FROM THAT TIME ON . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE WAS COMPLIANT. TOTALLY COMPLIANT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER BEHAVIOR, OF HER UH, CONDITION AND UH, OF HER COMFORT FROM THEN ON ALSO. (PAUSE) MY INTENT WAS NOT TORTURE. CB: OKAY, WELL . . . GMH: YOU KNOW, I . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. CB: YEAH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH . . . LET ME UH . . . GMH: I UNDERSTOOD THE SITUATION. CB: LET ME UH, STOP YOU FOR JUST A MINUTE. BECAUSE ME WRITING AND LOOKING DOWN AND GOING DOWN THAT MOUNTAIN, I, I'M GOING TO GET DIZZY. GMH: I THINK HE CAN DRIVE O.K. CB: (LAUGHS) (UI) GMH: WE CAN TAKE A BREAK IF YOU WANT. SS: YOU WANT ME TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT? CB: NO, NO, KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. LET'S JUST TAKE A LITTLE BREAK TILL WE GET ON STRAIGHTER GROUND . . . ARE YOU WARM ENOUGH? GMH: YES, THANK YOU. CB: ARE YOU GUYS GETTING WARM, OR . . . (UI, NOISE) (PAUSE) GMH: WHAT ARE THESE MARKERS FOR? ARE THEY FOR SPEED DETERMINATION OUT HERE ON THE UH, ROAD? CB: UH . . . GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, THESE CALIBRATIONS ON THE ROAD. I'M SEEING THEM NOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE. ARE THEY FOR UH, DETERMINING SPEED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT? CB: I DON'T KNOW. GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THEY PUT A STOP WATCH ON IT AND, I DON'T, I'M SEEING 'EM ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THAT'S THE ONLY . . . TD: THOSE LITTLE WHITE ONES? GMH: YEAH, THEY'RE LIKE UH, RULER CALIBRATIONS. TD: NO, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, WHEN YOU APPROACH ON A TURN. . . GMH: OH . . . TD: THEY SIGNIFY TWENTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR . . . GMH: OH, I SEE. TD: IT, IT'LL ILLUMINATE AT NIGHT. GMH: I, I SEE. SEE, THAT'S HE'S AN INVESTIGATOR. (LAUGHS) CB: ALRIGHT. SO, SHE WAS COMPLIANT AND, AND YOU MADE IT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT. GMH: PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT. CB: OKAY. GMH: PROXIMITY. MATTER OF FACT (UI) BECAUSE YOU CAN CAMP LEGALLY TWO HUNDRED FEET OUTSIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT CAMPING IS LEGAL. SO I, I KNEW, IT'S A LEVEL SPOT THAT I KNEW WAS SLIGHTLY OVER TWO HUNDRED FEET. CB: OKAY. UH, AND, AND WHAT DID YOU UH, WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? SORTA . . . GMH: THEN I SECURED HER TO A TREE. CB: SECURED HER TO ANOTHER TREE? GMH: YEAH. THIS WOULD HAVE EITHER BEEN WITH ANOTHER TWIST TIE OR JUST WITH A NYLON TWINE. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST UH, YOU KNOW, QUAD, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED UH, AROUND HER NECK AND QUADRUPLE (UI) KNOTTED AROUND THE TREE. UH, SHE WAS LOOSE IN OTHER WORDS. SO THAT IT COULD NOT BE READILY UNTIED. IN OTHER WORDS YOU'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE SQUARE KNOTS. YOU JUST CAN'T REACH UP AND UNTIE 'EM. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU GOTTA . . . CB: ALRIGHT. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? WHAT (UI) GMH: WELL I TOLD HER I, I, I TOLD HER UH, WELL, I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO GET HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER OUT OF THE CAR. WHICH WAS IN HER PURSE. CB: OKAY. GMH: UNDER THE SEAT. AND I TOLD HER . . . CB: (UI) LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP. DID SHE TELL YOU WHERE HER PURSE AND PIN, UH, CARDS WERE? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. HOW DID SHE DO THAT? I MEAN, DID YOU ASK HER . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: . . . .ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING (UI) GMH: YEAH. I TOLD HER FROM THE BEGINNING (UI) CB: SO WHAT DID SHE SAY? UH, AT WHAT POINT DID SHE TELL YOU OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE IT? ONCE SHE WAS COMPLIANT? GMH: YEAH. ONCE I GOT HER BACK AROUND THERE, YEAH, ONCE SHE BECAME COMPLIANT. CB: OKAY. UH, AND SHE TOLD YOU WHERE HER CARDS WERE AT THAT POINT OR . . . GMH: YEAH. SHE TOLD ME INCORRECTLY, BUT IT WAS JUST UNDER THE WRONG SEAT . . . SHE SAID UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY UNDER THE PASSENGER SEAT. CB: OKAY. OKAY. UH . . . AND DID YOU TELL HER YOU WERE GONNA GO DOWN AND COLLECT THOSE (UI) AND WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: I TOLD HER WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT (UI) I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE. I (UI) I, I FELT THAT UH, IT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE UH, PEOPLE THAT FOUND THE EQUIPMENT THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT, IF THEY HAD HEARD HER YELLING. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND VOICES CARRY WHAT SOUNDS CARRY FOREVER UP THERE. IN THE WINTER TIME AND COLD AIR THEY CARRY FOREVER. SO I FELT THAT THERE WAS A VERY GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT UH, THE LAW WOULD BE THERE BY THE TIME WE GOT THERE, 'CAUSE IT TOOK US PROBABLY TWENTY MINUTES TO GO CROSS COUNTRY AND ALL . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: HAD TO TAKE THE SECUREST, SECURIST OF ROUTES UH, YOU KNOW, (UI) CROSS COUNTRY (UI) WORK OUR WAY DOWN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND SO IT TOOK, YOU KNOW, SO I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: (UI) CB: RIGHT. GMH: BY THEN UH, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD. CB: OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND (UI) . . . (ANSWERS CELL PHONE, NON-PERTINENT) OKAY. UH . . . GMH: SO BY, SO BY THEN WE WERE BOTH GETTING COLD. IT'S LATE IN THE DAY, IT'S UH, FOR WINTER TIME. CB: HOW, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU WAITED TO SEE IF THE LAW WAS COMING? GMH: TIL UH . . . WHAT TIME IS SUNSET NOW? CB: FIVE THIRTY. GMH: (UI) I THINK IT'S FIVE NOW, ABOUT LIKE (UI) CB: WELL, ACTUAL SUNSET IS PROBABLY AROUND . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: FIVE FIFTEEN, FIVE THIRTY. GMH: NO, NO, IT DOESN'T GET ANY, ANY, ANY UH, ANY SOONER THAN FIVE TWENTY FIVE (UI) ANYWAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY RIGHT BEFORE SUNSET. UH, STARTING TO ENTER DUSK. OKAY. CB: ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. SO IT'S . . . GMH: WHAT TIME IS IT? CB: IT'S FIVE FIFTY. (UI) ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: OH, SO WE'RE, YEAH. SO AS, AS YOU KNOW UH, IF YOU HAVE A CLEAR SKY, AND HIGH PRESSURE IN PLACE . . . SOON AS THE SUN GOES DOWN THE HEAT RADIATES RIGHT OUT AND THE TEMPERATURE DROPS LIKE A ROCK. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. IT'S, IT'S, SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD NOW. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO, I UH, HAD MY BACKPACK ON AND MY HIKING STUFF. AS I SAY, I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THAT MOUNTAIN EQUIPPED TO BE HIKING UP THERE. EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST TRUSTING THEIR LIFE TO THEIR FOOT WORK. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I'VE SEEN A GUY BREAK HIS LEG UP THERE AND I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO GET A PERSON OFF THAT MOUNTAIN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT TAKES AT LEAST FOUR HOURS, EVEN IF THE CALL GOES OUT ABOUT THE TIME THEY HIT THE GROUND. IT TAKES FOUR HOURS TO GET 'EM DOWN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I KNOW. 'CAUSE I'VE SAW IT HAPPEN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND UH, SO I WAS SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD. SO I TOOK MY PACK OFF AND GAVE HER A UH, A FLEECE PULLOVER, A RED FLEECE PULLOVER WHICH YOU PROBABLY FOUND. IT'S A COLUMBIA BRAND AND UH, THE MATERIAL IS CALLED OMNI TECH IT'S A COLUMBIA (UI) AND IT'S RED. AND IT'S LONG. (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I GAVE THAT TO HER. AND THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR MYSELF BUT I, I HAD ON A, A YELLOW (UI) JACKET (UI) BUT SHE, I HAVE TWO OF THAT DAY. SO YOU'LL ALSO FIND IN MY STUFF A (UI) YELLOW JACKET (UI) HOODLESS, HOODLESS GORTEX JACKETS AND I PUT ON A PAIR OF UH, GORTEX PANTS. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I HAD NOTHING FOR MY CHEST (UI) AND I ALSO PULLED OUT A UH (UI) THAT I USED AS A EMERGENCY SHELTER, UH (UI) AND I PULLED OUT A (UI) THAT I USED AS AN EMERGENCY SHELTER AND WRAPPED THAT AROUND HER ALSO. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEN I WENT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT, LEFT HER TIED TO THAT TREE (UI) CB: AT THAT POINT YOU LEFT HER AGAIN? GMH: LEFT HER AGAIN CB: AND THIS WAS APPROXIMATELY GETTING DARK? GMH: YEAH (UI) CB: GETTING DARK? OR AFTER DARK? AND WHERE DID YOU GO? GMH: OH, I WENT DOWN AND UH, OPENED HER CAR, OPENED HER VAN . . . OH, AND I MOVED MY VAN NEXT TO HER CAR. CB: DID SHE TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HER VEHICLE WAS? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I GOT MY VAN AND MOVED IT NEXT TO HER CAR. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, I LOOKED FOR THE PURSE UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT, IT WASN'T THERE. THEN I WALKED UP, UNSECURED HER, WALKED HER DOWN, I HAD MY VAN OPEN … THE SIDE DOOR. AND UH, IT WAS NEXT TO HER CAR. SO I WALKED HER UP NEXT TO HER CAR. AGAIN, HER DOG WAS WITH HER. HER DOG WAS WITH HER. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO I WALKED HER UP UH, NEXT TO HER CAR . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OPENED THE SIDE DOOR OF MY VAN AND PUT HER IN MY VAN. AND, AND, THEN TOOK A UH, A CHAIN . . .PUT HER IN MY VAN AND LAID HER DOWN, THERE IS A SLIDING SIDE DOOR ON THE LEFT. OPENED THAT SLIDING DOOR, I HAD A CARGO BAGS THERE. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN ON THE CARGO BAGS. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, I HAD TWO LENGTHS OF CHAIN PADLOCKED TO THE SEAT MOUNTING, THE FRONT SEAT MOUNTING, ONE CHAIN PADLOCKED, ANOTHER (UI) SEAT (UI) CB: UH HUH. GMH: (UI) THE SEAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE CAR. THE SHORTEST ONE WAS FOUR OR FIVE FEET LONG. THE OTHER WAS ABOUT NINE FEET LONG. IT WAS LINK CHAIN. CB: YOU HAD IT AFFIXED TO YOUR FRAME? GMH: YEAH. AFFIXED TO THE SEAT. UH, IT UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE YOUR SEAT ATTACHES TO THE CAR. IT'S QUITE SECURE IN CASE YOU GET HIT. YOU KNOW IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU REACH UNDER THE SEAT . . . CB: WHAT WAS . . . GMH: THE OTHER . . . CB: . . . WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAIN ITSELF? I MEAN, YOU HAD IT ALREADY ATTACHED TO YOUR (UI) GMH: YEAH. IT WAS ALREADY ATTACHED. ONE WAS ATTACHED THERE AND ONE WAS ATTACHED HERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: YEAH, THEY WERE ATTACHED BY BEING PADLOCKED. CB: OKAY. GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THE CHAINS, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS BROUGHT UNDER THE SEAT, SECURED, AND PADLOCKED. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND THE OTHER END WAS LOOSE. AND DITTO WITH THAT. CB: AND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? GMH: TO SECURE HER . . . OH, NO, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO UH, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO, IF I WAS CARRYING EXPENSIVE EQUIP, LIKE A GENERATOR OR SOMETHING IN THE VAN, I WOULD CHAIN THE GENERATOR IN THE VAN IN CASE SOMEONE SAW THE GENERATOR TO BREAK IN, SOMEONE WILL BREAK IN TO STEAL A 3 ½ KW GENERATOR. CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . IF THEY SEE IT SITTING IN A VAN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THEY'LL JUST BREAK IN YOUR VAN JUST TO GET THAT. CB: DID YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THE CHAIN TO PUT IT ON HER OR . . . GMH: NO, I, NO, THAT END, I HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS. CB: UH HUH. GMH: HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS. SO I HAD ANOTHER, I HAD TWO OTHER PADLOCKS. SO I HAD A LOT OF PADLOCKS. A NUMBER OF PADLOCKS. AND UH, SO, BOTH OF THOSE ENDS WERE, BOTH OF THOSE CHAINS WERE PADLOCKED BY ONE END TO THE SEAT MOUNT. ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT, IF A PERSON WAS LAYING THIS WAY, FEET THERE, HEAD THERE, ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE FEET AND ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE VICINITY OF THE HEAD. CB: OKAY, SO YOU CHAINED ONE CHAIN TO HER GMH: SO UH . . . CB: HOW DID YOU CHAIN HER? GMH: IN ABOUT, THE SHORTEST CHAIN WAS ABOUT UH, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, SIX FEET LONG. THE LONGEST ONE WAS TWELVE FEET, I BELIEVE. SO I JUST TOOK SIMPLY ONE END AND THEN UH, IT WASN'T TIGHTLY. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS PADLOCKED ALREADY TO THE SEAT. SO I TOOK THE OTHER AND, I DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END (UI) YOU KNOW, BUT (UI) I KNOW, FOUR, FIVE, SIX (UI) OTHER. PUT IT AROUND HER SO IT WAS TIGHT ENOUGH SO SHE COULDN'T GET IT OVER HER HEAD . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND PADLOCKED THAT. I DIDN'T SECURE HER FEET OR HER HANDS. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WHAT DID SHE SAY TO YOU? DID SHE SAY ANYTHING AT THAT POINT? GMH: SHE SAID UH, THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VAN. NOT, OR IN THE, I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H. AND THEN I DETERMINED FROM WHERE HER, HER PURSE WAS AND IT WAS UNDER THE PASSENGER NOT UNDER THE DRIVER. CB: DID YOU HAVE TO FORCE HER INTO THE VAN OR . . . DID SHE COOPERATE? GMH: NO, SHE PROTESTED BUT . . . NO, NO I MEAN, SHE WAS COMPLIANT. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HIT HER, NO PHYSICAL FORCE OF ANY KIND AFTER THAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AFTER THAT UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN. CB: OH, OKAY. SO SHE PROTESTED AND SAID . . . GMH: THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VEHICLE. I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H. CB: AND SHE WENT IN? O.K. BUT SHE DIDN'T GET PHYSICAL? GMH: NEVER AGAIN. NEVER . . .NOTHING. CB: NO? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .SO YOU PUT A PIECE OF CHAIN AROUND HER NECK . . . GMH: THAT CHAIN THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT. CB: DRIVER'S SIDE? GMH: YEAH, THE DRIVER'S SIDE (UI) IT DIDN'T HAVE HER CINCHED DOWN TIGHT. IT JUST . . . CB: THAT DON'T BOTHER YOU SHERIFF? OKAY. SS: NO GMH: NO, NO, SHE, SHE WAS NOT . . . AS A MATTER OF FACT UH, YOU KNOW, SHE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRABBED SOMETHING, SMACKED ME UP THE SIDE OF THE HEAD WHILE I WAS DRIVING. YOU KNOW. I SAID I, I (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YEAH, SHE COULD HAVE REACHED AROUND AND GOT A, STRANGLE HOLD OR ANYTHING ELSE WHILE I WAS DRIVING IT WAS JUST TO KEEP FROM JUMPING UP AND JUMPING OUT. AND I ALSO PUT THE CHILD PROOF LATCH ON THE SLIDING DOOR SO IT COULD NOT BE OPENED FROM THE INSIDE. CB: THE, THE CHAIN THAT'S ON THE PASSENGER SEAT, WHAT DID YOU DO, PUT IT AROUND HER LEG GMH: NO, NO, I JUST. CB: JUST THE ONE ON HER NECK. OKAY. OKAY. AT THAT POINT YOU WENT AND GOT HER PURSE. GMH: WHICH WAS NEXT TO... CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. O.K. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: THEN UH, BY THEN, UH, OF COURSE HER DOG WAS A LITTLE LEERY OF ME. BY THEN. OF COURSE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: A, A LITTLE SKIDDISH OF ME. CB: UH HUH. GMH: TO SAY THE LEAST, AND UH, SO I GOT HER DOG TO JUMP IN HER CAR I TOLD HER AND UH, I UH, AND I, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER DOG, OF COURSE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, I SAID I PUT IT IN YOUR CAR SO IT WILL BE OKAY. PUT HER DOG IN HER CAR. CB: IN WHAT CAR. GMH: IN HER CAR. CB: OKAY. GMH: GOT THAT AND THEN LEFT AND HEADED 129 NORTH. CB: OKAY. GMH: TOWARDS BLAIRSVILLE CB: OKAY. GMH: AND GOT SEVERAL MILES AS WE WERE DRIVING (UI) SEVERAL MILES AWAY SHE STILL VOICING CONCERN ABOUT HER DOG. SO, PLUS, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT, I WANTED HER TO BE CALM AND, YOU KNOW (UI) I, I KNEW SHE WAS ANXIOUS ABOUT HER DOG. AND SHE WAS WONDERING ABOUT HER DOG, IF HER DOG WAS GOING TO BE OKAY. SO I SAID WELL. YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO GET YOUR DOG? SHE SAID YES. SO I TURNED AROUND. WENT BACK. AND GOT HER DOGCB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUICK QUESTION. DID SHE EVER GIVE YOU HER PIN NUMBER WHILE SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN, I MEAN, WHILE YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN? GMH: YEAH, YEAH. AFTER I GOT CONTROL OF HER AROUND THE SIDE SHE GAVE ME A PIN NUMBER. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS INCORRECT. CB: OKAY. AND WELL I'M ASKING . . . GMH: SHE NEVER GAVE ME A CORRECT NUMBER. CB: OKAY. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . . GMH: (UI) CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, HOW (UI) GMH: (UI) CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . . GMH: I'M SORRY IF MY BREATH IS BAD. I BEEN DRINKING COFFEE. CB: NO, THAT'S FINE. YOU UH, YOU HAD A PIN NUMBER? GMH: UH HUH. CB: AND YOU HAD HER CARDS? GMH: UH HUH. CB: BUT YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE HAD GIVEN YOU THE CORRECT PIN NUMBER OR YOU TOOK HER JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THE RIGHT PIN NUMBER. GMH: CORRECT. CB: OKAY. WOULD, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU HAD PLANNED TO DO ANYWAY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY OKAY. NEIL, EVERYTHING OKAY WITH YOU SO FAR? NS: (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. THERE WAS NEVER ANY PLAN TO LET HER GO. CB: OKAY. GMH: I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO I WOULD BE IDENTIFIED I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO (UI) IDENTIFY YOURSELF. I KNEW THAT SHE COULDN'T, COULDN'T BE LET GO. CB: OKAY. SO YOU . . . GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS DOOMED. CB: BY, BY SAYING, BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME THAT WHEN YOU FIRST MET HER AT THE A.T. AND REESE TRAIL . . . GMH: NO, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT. CB: OKAY. (NOISE) CB: ALRIGHT. UH . . . BUT ONCE YOU ABDUCTED HER THERE WAS NO CHANCE SHE WAS GONNA, SHE WAS GONNA GET OUT. CORRECT? GMH: I, I, I CAN'T, I, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT. CB: IS THAT ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL OR . . . NS: (UI) WELL YOU ALREADY TOLD HIM I THINK CB: RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S FINE. UH, SO WHAT, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO AFTER YOU CAME BACK AND GOT THE DOG? GMH: UH, BACK THE SAME DIRECTION. CB: OKAY. NORTH ON ONE TWENTY NINE. OKAY... AND WHERE'D YOU GO TO? GMH: BLAIRSVILLE. CB: WHAT'D YOU DO IN BLAIRSVILLE? GMH: WENT TO THE APPALACHIAN BANK. THE UH, APPALACHIAN MOUNTAIN BANK. IN UH, BLAIRSVILLE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: ATTEMPTED THE CARD. AND IT WAS THE WRONG CARD. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . AND THEY DIDN'T WORK? GMH: DIDN'T WORK. I PARKED ACROSS THE STREET. CB: HOW MANY CARDS DID YOU USE? GMH: UH, I HAD, I HAD A UH, I HAD THREE, BUT I'M REALLY NOT SURE. 'CAUSE SHE HAD ME RUN 'EM SO MANY TIMES THAT UH, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT SURE. I MEAN I RUN THEM IN BLAIRSVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO GAINESVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO CANTON . . . CB: WELL LET'S, LET'S . . . GMH: . . . AND TRIED MULTIPLE TIMES. CB: ALRIGHT. LET'S DO IT, LET'S DO IT STEP BY STEP, THOUGH. THIS TIME YOU, YOU HAD THREE CARDS. YOU ATTEMPTED 'EM IN THE APPALACHIAN BANK. GMH: I WON'T SAY I ATTEMPTED ALL OF 'EM. CB: OKAY. GMH: I, I WOULDN'T (UI) CB: BUT YOU WERE IN POSSESSION OF 'EM. GMH: YEAH. I'M IN POSSESSION OF THREE OF 'EM AND I PROBABLY TRIED A WACHOVIA DEBIT CARD, UH, WELL I KNOW I TRIED THAT FIRST, BUT IF I TRIED ANY OF THE OTHERS I, I'M NOT SURE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I'M NOT SURE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT I TRIED THE WACHOVIA. CB: AND YOU SAID YOU PARKED WHERE? GMH: TO THE, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW MY DIRECTIONS BUT IT WOULD BE UH, IF YOU'RE AT THE ATM, UH, IT'S THE ATM IS, IT'S A DRIVE-IN. AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ATM, I'M ACROSS THE STREET IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS. AND UH, LOOKING AT THE ATM FROM MY PARKED POSITION UH, TO THE LEFT AND BEYOND IS A WAFFLE HOUSE OR A HUDDLE HOUSE THERE. CB: OKAY. DID YOU ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL YOUR FACE IN ANY WAY WHILE YOU . . . GMH: YES, I DID CONCEAL MY FACE. CB: HOW DID YOU CONCEAL YOUR FACE? GMH: HELD A UH, UH, TOWEL OVER MY UH, FACE. CB: OKAY. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY TO NO AVAIL AT THAT LOCATION SO YOU LEFT AND . . . GMH: WELL, NO, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE DRAWN OUT THAN THAT. CB: OKAY. TELL ME ABOUT ALL THAT. GMH: CARD WOULDN'T WORK, IT WAS EITHER UH, INVALID OR UNAUTHORIZED. SO I CAME BACK, WENT BACK TO THE VAN. I SAID HONEY I'VE GOT (UI) AND UH, SHE'S DANCING AROUND WITH TWO MORE PIN NUMBERS. WELL I THINK I DID THIS OR I JUST CHANGED IT OVER AND I'M NOT SURE AND THIS AND THAT AND I CHANGED IT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. GO TRY IT AGAIN. IT'LL WORK. CB: UH HUH. GMH: THE FIRST NUMBER SHE GIVE ME. ANOTHER TWO NUMBERS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SHE GIVE ME A NUMBER. AND UH, TRIED IT AGAIN. MIGHT HAVE TRIED THE UH, UH, VISA CREDIT CARD TOO. I MAY HAVE. I MAY HAVE AND I MAY NOT HAVE. (UI) TRIED ANOTHER UH, NUMBER AND CAME BACK HON, NOT WORKING. YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST GIVE IT UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT (UI) SHE CONVINCES ME TO I THINK TRY THE THIRD AND MAYBE EVEN A FOURTH TIME. (UI) THE NUMBER (UI) CB: OKAY AND IT DIDN'T WORK? GMH: NONE OF IT WORKED. CB: OKAY. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: SO SHE'S STILL TELLING ME IT'S, IT'LL, IT'S GONNA WORK. IT'S GONNA WORK. MUST BE A WRONG BANK OR A, MAYBE A WACHOVIA. I'VE ONLY USED IT AT THIS AND THAT. JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. SHE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, SO I DETERMINED TO DRIVE SOMEWHERE AT, AT ANOTHER BANK. AT A WACHOVIA. SHE SAID SHE USED THAT OTHER (UI) AND UH . . . (UI). . CB: HOLD ON ONE SECOND. CB: UH, SO YOU LEFT AND WENT TO GAINESVILLE TO ATTEMPT IT AT. GMH: YEAH, SINCE I NEEDED A, A MET, A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA BECAUSE I'M WALKING UP TO ATM'S, WALKING LATER AT NIGHT WITH MY FACE COVERED . . . CB: UMM. GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU GOTTA BE KINDA CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT ATM YOU USE. IF ANYONE SEES YOU, OR ON A COLD NIGHT, LATE AT NIGHT, ON FOOT, AT A DRIVE-IN ATM, COVERING YOUR FACE, YOU KNOW, SOME POLICE OFFICER JUST PASSING BY . . . CB: UMM. GMH: YOU KNOW. SO I NEEDED A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA IN WHICH TO GET A, A BETTER LOCATION AND HAVE A SELECTION OF LOCATIONS. SO I DETERMINED THAT GAINESVILLE WAS THE PLACE. CB: YOU SAID A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA (UI) GMH: THAN BLAIRSVILLE. THAN BLAIRSVILLE. CB: I MEAN, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN BETTER TO HAVE BEEN IN THE DAYLIGHT AT, AT THAT TIME, OR . . . GMH: NO, IT HAS, THERE'S A WINDOW, THERE, YOU SEE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THE WINDOW IS BETWEEN DARK AND TOO, TOO LATE. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT BECOMES INAPPROPRIATE IF IT'S . . . CB: RIGHT. BUT IN THE DAYTIME WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY? GMH: NO, NO, NO (UI) CB: DEFINITELY NOT DAYTIME. GMH: NO. NO. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU WANT A TIME BETWEEN DARK AND TOO LATE, WHEN THE STREETS CLEAR OUT. CB: OKAY. GMH: ON A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: THE STREETS ARE GONNA CLEAR AND THEN ANY POLICE OFFICER PASSING BY, POLICE OFFICERS ARE INQUISITIVE AND CURIOUS BY NATURE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CURIOUS AS TO WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THE STREETS ARE EMPTY, WHY IS THIS GUY WALKING AROUND AT AN ATM HOLDING SOMETHING OVER HIS FACE? CB: OKAY. JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND IF YOU WILL. GMH: YEAH. CB: I'M JUST GONNA CHECK THIS VOICE MESSAGE. (PAUSE) CB: OKAY. GMH: SO GAINESVILLE WAS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE, BUT IT WAS, IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE AREA. METROPOLITAN AREA. SO, STILL ACTIVITY BY THE TIME I GOT THERE. WHICH IS NOT THAT LATE BUT SUCH A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT, YOU KNOW. IT'S EFFECTIVELY LATE, VERY EARLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST CLEAR OFF. IT'S COLD. WENT DOWN THERE AND GOT A WACHOVIA . . . CB: WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS IT NEEDS TO BE DARK BUT THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE AROUND AND DOING THINGS . . . GMH: RIGHT. CB: SO THAT YOU DON'T JUST SORTA STAND OUT THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STREET. GMH: EXACTLY. ANY, ANY POLICE OFFICER IS CURIOUS AND INQUISITIVE. INQUISITIVE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: IF HE'S ANY GOOD AT ALL HE'S CURIOUS AND ANYTIME HE SEES A PERSON, ANYTIME HE SEES ANYTHING THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . TO ANY SITUATION HE ASKS HIMSELF WHY. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: AND I UNDERSTAND (UI) HEY, ARE YOU A POLICE OFFICER? OH YEAH, RIGHT (UI) CB: (LAUGHS) GMH: I'M JUST KIDDING, A LITTLE LEVITY. CB: UM. OKAY. GMH: AND SHE, SO I FOUND THE ONE OFF OF UH, DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT I GUESS . . . UH, ONE OFF DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, I GUESS THAT IS THE MAIN DRAG IN GAINESVILLE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S HIGHWAY SIXTY. THERE'S A WACHOVIA BANK. IT'S NEAR TO A, SOME COLLEGE CAMPUS, UH, THAT'S UH . . . CB: IS IT A WACHOVIA BANK? GMH: YEAH. AND IT'S UH, HIGHWAY SIXTY, ABOUT DOWNTOWN OR IN THE CENTRAL CITY OF GAINESVILLE . . . IT WOULD BE TO THE NORTH SIDE UH, ON THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF, OF THAT STREET, WHICH I THINK IS SIXTY. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. EACH TIME I'D COME BACK AND UH, TELL HER IT WASN'T WORKING AND SHE WOULD CONVINCE ME TO GO BACK AND TRY AGAIN. CB: OKAY. GMH: AGAIN, UH, SHE WAS ONLY SECURED BY A LOOSE CHAIN . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: SHE, SHE WAS NOT, HER HANDS WEREN'T SECURE, BUT WE WERE IN A DARK PARKING LOT. I MEAN, JUST THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PARKED IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS WOULD . . . CB: THROW UP A FLAG . . . GMH: TO A POLICE OFFICER. CB: RIGHT. GMH: IT SHOULD. CB: UH HUH. GMH: HE'S DRIVING, HE KNOWS HIS BEAT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ON THAT BEAT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: OKAY. AND IF HE'S DRIVING BY A BUILDING THAT'S CLOSED, AND THE PARKING LOT'S EMPTY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A VAN IN THAT PARKING LOT, HE'S GONNA WONDER WHY. CB: RIGHT. GMH: HE'LL PROBABLY CHECK IT OUT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I COULD BE A BURGLAR. CB: RIGHT. GMH: BUT, HEY. SO I WAS. I WAS PARKED THERE A HALF, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY IN A CLOSED BUSINESS IN THE PARKING LOT. (UI) AND SHE WAS ALWAYS SECURED LOOSELY BY THE CHAIN SO THAT . . . CB: WHEN YOU SAY LOOSELY, COULD SHE HAVE SLIPPED IT OVER HER HEAD? GMH: NO, I MEAN, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY IS SHE WAS . . . CB: WASN'T CHOKING. GMH: NO, NO, I, JUST SECURE ENOUGH THAT SHE COULDN'T SLIP, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY, SHE HAD FREEDOM OF, OF MOVEMENT AROUND IN, IN THE VAN. CB: OH, AND HER DOG WAS WITH HER SO SHE, YOU THINK SHE FELT COMFORTABLE (UI) GMH: YEAH, YEAH. CB: (UI) GMH: NO, NO . . . CB: OR NOT MAKE ANY NOISE (UI) GMH: SHE WASN'T GOING NOWHERE AND I TOLD HER IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE IT WAS CURTAINS CB: OKAY, OKAY. AND, AND WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID, HOW DID YOU PUT THAT TO HER, IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE, WHAT DID YOU SAY. GMH: YOU GO MESSING AROUND I'LL SHOOT YOUR ASS. CB: OKAY. UH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE KEPT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IT WOULD WORK. THAT . . . GMH: OH, SHE DID CONVINCE ME. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SHE RAN ME BACK, I'D COME, I'D GO (LAUGHS) LIKE AN IDOT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: I MEAN, REALLY, YOU KNOW SOME, ETERNAL OPTIMIST. CB: UHH. GMH: I'D HAVE TO GO OUT OF THE VAN, WALK FOR A HUNDRED YARDS OR WHEREVER TO RUN IT, YOU KNOW, COME BACK. SHE'D GIVE ME SOME OTHER STORY . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW, OR ANOTHER CARD . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . YOU KNOW. I'VE GOT THREE OF THEM TO WORK WITH. CB: YEAH. GMH: (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REASON FOR ALL OF THIS WAS (LAUGHS ) . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: YOU KNOW, I TOLD HER LATER, I SAID HELL, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK YOU WHY. IT'S JUST THAT I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF YOU BEEN, RUNNING, DOING THIS FOR. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: AND SO I'D RUN IT, AND COME BACK, RUN, AND HON YOU KNOW AND TRY THIS AND THIS NUMBER AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND UH, I DID, BUT DIDN'T WORK. CB: OKAY. SO . . . GMH: COME BACK. HON. (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: WELL THEY SENT OUT (UI, LAUGHS) PROBABLY FOUR TIMES OR SO. CB: OKAY. GMH: MAYBE FIVE. SHE SENT ME WALKING BACK TO THAT THING, HOLDING A DAMN TOWEL IN FRONT OF ME. . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: BY NOW IT'S GETTING LATE. THE STREETS ARE FREAKING EMPTY AND AS, AS FAR AS PEDESTRIANS GO. BUT THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TRAFFIC. CB: RIGHT. GMH: NOW THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF MOTOR TRAFFIC BUT THE STREETS ARE EMPTY AND HUH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE SENT ME BACK TO THAT THING, MAN. CB: UMM. ALRIGHT, UH, YOU UH . . . YOU BASICALLY . . . YOU BASICALLY UH, TRIED IT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AND IT DIDN'T WORK. NOW HOW INJURED WAS SHE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I MEAN, WAS SHE . . . GMH: OH, I KEPT INQUIRING ABOUT IT, UH, NOT AT ALL CB: COULD YOU, COULD YOU VISUALLY SEE THAT SHE WAS . . . GMH: SHE HAD . . . CB: WAS SHE BLEEDING? GMH: NO, NO, SHE . . . NO, NEVER BLEEDING. SHE HAD JUST SLIGHTLY BLACKENED EYES . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND SLIGHT BRUISE ON HER NOSE. SHE MAY HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. UH, BUT, VISUALLY AND, AND FROM WHAT SHE TOLD ME, SHE JUST HAD A HEADACHE. YEAH. SO I, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. OH, AND I ASKED HER WHAT SHE WANTED . . . CB: WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU GIVE HER THE ASPIRIN? GMH: I GAVE HER ASPIRIN SEVERAL TIMES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FIRST TIME WAS . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I ASKED HER CONSTANTLY IF SHE WAS IN PAIN, UH, IF SHE HAD LOST CONSCIOUSNESS. I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD DOUBLE VISION I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD RINGING IN HER EARS AND I ASKED WHAT SHE WANTED AS FAR AS A PAINKILLER GOES. AND WHEN SHE ASKED FOR ASPIRIN, WHENEVER THAT WAS, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. AND I CONTINUED ANYTIME SHE WANTED TO GIVE HER ASPIRIN. CB: UH, OKAY, SO WHEN YOU LEFT THE BANK ATTEMPTS DOWN, DOWN IN GAINESVILLE, WHICH WAY DID YOU GO? GMH: BACK TO DAHLONEGA. NOW IT'S TOO LATE AND I, I'VE HAD IT. I, I'M LIKE (UI), WITH THE M.S. SOME DAYS I CAN'T GET OUT OF BED AND SOME DAYS I'M GOOD FOR A FEW HOURS. (UI) . . . WHEN I GET TO THIS POINT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ANYTHING (UI) CB: WHAT, WHICH, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO TO GO TO DAHLONEGA? GMH: HIGHWAY SIXTY, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY AND FOUR HUNDRED. CB: OKAY. GMH: YEAH. HIGHWAY SIXTY TO THE HEAD OF FOUR HUNDRED. CB: OKAY THEN WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT UP THERE? GMH: OH NO, NO. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHEN I WENT, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY TO FOUR HUNDRED AND THEN SIXTY GOES RIGHT ON IN TO DAHLONEGA. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. CB: WHERE DID YOU STAY IN DAHLONEGA? GMH: OKAY. THEN I ATTEMPTED TO GO UH, NORTH, UH, ONE TWENTY NINE AGAIN, BUT WE WERE NOW HAVING SNOW, COMING AT THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AS I GOT HIGHER ELEVATIONS I WAS GONNA FIND A PLACE TO CAMP BUT I WAS SHOT BY THEN. I COULDN'T THINK STRAIGHT. CB: OKAY. SO YOU ACTUALLY CAME SIXTY UP TO DAHLONEGA AND THEN YOU CUT BACK ACROSS TO ONE TWENTY NINE, OR . . . GMH: NO, ONE TWENTY NINE GOES INTO DAHLONEGA. CB: NO . . . GMH: IT'S A BYPASS AROUND DAHLONEGA CB: ARE YOU, THINKING ABOUT . . . GMH: ONE TWENTY NINE GOES OVER NEAL'S GAP. AM I NOT RIGHT? AM I CORRECT? CB: (UI) GMH: WE CAME ONE TWENTY NINE. CB: OKAY. ONE TWENTY NINE (UI) SS: (UI) GMH: AND ACTUALLY FOR SOME REASON AND I'M NOT SURE WHY I, I WENT INTO DOWNTOWN DAHLONEGA AND UH, I DIDN'T GO THE BYPASS. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO (UI) AND I JUST GOT ON IT, PERHAPS, AND UH, I'M NOT MENTALLY FUNCTIONING BY THEN. AS I AM NOW. I'M START, I'M STARTING TO FLAG OUT RIGHT NOW. SO (UI) AND UH, I STARTED . . . CB: I, I MAY BE, I MAY BE TOTALLY LOST, BUT I WAS THINKING ONE TWENTY NINE RAN FROM GAINESVILLE TO BLAIRSVILLE. IS THAT . . . GMH: IT DOES. CB: OKAY. AND WHERE, AT WHAT PART, PART OF ONE TWENTY NINE . . . GMH: I JUST COULDN'T . . . CB: GOES AROUND DAHLONEGA? WHERE, WHERE WE (UI) GMH: (UI) NO, NO. TD: IS THAT SIXTY? GMH: YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIXTY PROBABLY. TD: YEAH, BUT ONE TWENTY NINE IS (UI) GMH: INTO TOWN, YEAH, OH YEAH . . . TD: RIGHT? GMH: OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT ONE TWENTY NINE AT THAT POINT. CB: ONE, ONE TWENTY . . . GMH: IT'S NOT, IT COMES IN, IT'S SIXTY, IT COMES, OR WHATEVER . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: IT COMES INTO IT AT TURNER'S CORNER IS WHERE IT COMES, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. CB: THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY WE BASICALLY JUST CAME. GMH: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UH, SOME WAY OR THE OTHER I ENDED UP GOING THROUGH DAHLONEGA. I'M NOT SURE WHY. CB: OKAY. GMH: I COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER STRAIGHT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YEAH. AND I STARTED NORTH TO UH, WITH THE OBJECT OF GETTING A CAMPSITE SOMEWHERE. AND THE SNOW WAS COMING IN AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AND IT WAS ACCUMULATING RAPIDLY. AND THERE WAS PROBABLY TWO INCHES ON THE GROUND, ON THE ROAD, VERY QUICKLY, AND I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND CONTROL. AND THEN UH, I CAME AROUND A CURVE AND A CAR HAD SORT OF SLID OFF THE ROAD AND THERE WAS A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THERE CAR WITH IT'S BLUE LIGHTS. AND I WAS STRUGGLING UP HILL. AND I KNEW IT WAS JUST GONNA GET WORSE (UI) IN A HIGHER ELEVATION AND I KNEW HE, HE WAS, THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WAS ENGAGED UH, WITH, WITH THAT CAR, BUT I KNEW THAT MORE THAN LIKELY HE WAS ROAD, GONNA ROADBLOCK THAT ROAD AND TELL EVERYONE HEADED UP HILL NOT TO GO. CB: RIGHT. GMH: TO, TO ADVISE THEM NOT TO GO. OKAY. SO I KNEW THAT IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THAT HE WAS GONNA COME AFTER, UH, OR HAVE SOMEONE GET ME AND SAY HEY, YOU'RE NUTS. DON'T GO UP THERE. AND HE WAS RIGHT. I WOULDN'T HAVE ATTEMPTED IT. I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND SLIDING. NOW WE HAD ABOUT TWO INCHES OF ICE AND SNOW . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: SO, IT WAS NOT SO MUCH GOING UP HILL THAT YOU MAY JUST LOSE TRACTION AND NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE. BUT GOING DOWN HILL YOU PUT ON YOUR BRAKES AND JUST KEEP SLIDING AND YOU WRECK OUT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UP HILL, YOU JUST CONTINUE NO FURTHER. DOWN HILL YOU'LL WRECK. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UH, WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF ON (UI) CB: OKAY. AND WHEN, WHERE DID YOU WIND UP? GMH: SO THE SHERIFF'S CAR WAS THERE AND I KNEW IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THERE OR WHERE HE COULD SEE ME, THAT HE WAS GONNA COME GET ME OR SEND SOMEONE AFTER ME. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO DAWSON, DAWSONVILLE. SS: NO, WE'RE, WE'RE . . . GMH: OH, THIS, OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, YEAH, OKAY. SS: YEAH. GMH: NOW THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WE CAME THROUGH. YEAH. OUT OF GAINESVILLE. WE CAME THROUGH, THAT WAY, TO DAHLONEGA. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL I HAD IN MIND. AT THIS POINT, I WAS LOOKING FOR A CAMPSITE. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I TURNED AROUND, SOON AS I PASSED THE SHERIFF'S CAR I JUST TURNED AROUND AND TURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, PULLED OFF THE ROAD, AND GLAD I GOT TRACTION. IT WAS IN SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD BUT YOU COULDN'T TELL THAT AT FIRST BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A SNOW PIT. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT IT SURE SOMEONE, OR TURNED INTO SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK DOWN JUST RIGHT PAST THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: SHE SAW THE BLUE LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING BUT, AND WAS ONLY LOOSELY SECURED AS FAR AS (UI) AND WENT DOWN HILL, WENT DOWN TO HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO UH, DAHLONEGA HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO WEST . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: AND WENT TO A FOREST SERVICE ROAD UH, NIMBLEWILL CHURCH CREEK ROAD, IT'S ABOUT PROBABLY SIX, SEVEN MILES WEST OF DAHLONEGA. I COULD POINT IT ON A MAP. AND UH, WENT UP THERE, WENT TEN MILES UP THERE 'CAUSE IT'S FIVE MILES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY (UI) SO I WENT TEN MILES UP THAT AND UH, THEY'S A CAMPSITE, A NUMBER OF CAMPSITES. ON THAT ROAD CAMPING IS ONLY ALLOWED IN DESIGNATED SITES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: WHICH IS (UI) AND THAT (UI) CB: OKAY. SO YOU CAMPED THERE FOR THE NIGHT? GMH: CAMPED THERE. I GAVE HER THE BEST BAG, THE BEST, I GAVE HER THE MATTRESS THAT DIDN'T LEAK. I GOT A PLUS FIVE DEGREE BAG, I HAD A (UI) DEGREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EACH DOG GOT A BAG. EACH DOG GOT A TWENTY DEGREE BAG. CB: WHERE DID UH, WHERE DID YOU CAMP? IN THE VAN OR OUTSIDE? GMH: YEAH, YEAH, I JUST, SHE HELPED ME OFF LOAD THE VAN. I JUST UNCHAINED, SHE WAS FREE AT, SHE WAS ONLY, ONLY SECURED WHILE WE WERE MOVING. SHE WAS NOT TIED UP. AND WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP I WOULD TIE A LONG LENGTH OF NYLON CORD AROUND HER ANKLES, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AND THEN QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AT AN ANCHOR POINT IN THE VAN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET LONG. THAT WAS SIMPLY TO KEEP HER FROM JUMPING UP AND TAKING OFF WHILE I WAS ASLEEP. CB: (ANSWERS PHONE; DISCUSS DIRECTIONS) AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK, AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST, FIRST GATED ROAD TO YOUR LEFT, IS THAT CORRECT? GMH: YEAH. NO, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD, UH, TURN UH, NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST GATED UH, ROAD TO YOUR LEFT. IT'LL BE DESIGNATED AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, BIKER TRAIL, AND JUST NORTH OF THAT ROAD TO THE LEFT WILL BE A SIGN ON EACH SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES ALLOWED BEYOND THIS POINT. CB: FIRST ROAD TO THE LEFT ON SHOAL CREEK, UH, DESIGNATED AS UH . . . GMH: IT'S GATED. CB: IT'S GATED, IT'S DESIGNATED AS EQUESTRIAN, HIKER . . . GMH: BICYCLE TRAIL . . . CB: UH, BICYCLE TRAIL . . . GMH: AND ON . . . CB: . . . IF YOU GO TOO FAR PAST IT IT'LL SAY NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT. GMH: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. CB: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. GMH: NORTHBOUND. CB: THERE'S TWO SIDES . . . IS IT BEFORE YOU GET TO A LITTLE BRIDGE? GMH: IT'S, THERE IS A BRIDGE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER (UI) I, I . . . CB: HE DOESN'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER. SAID THERE'S A BRIDGE (UI) CORRECT. CORRECT. AND IF YOU STAY ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND YOU SEE SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR. GMH: THE ROAD IS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT. CB: IT'S IMMEDIATELY, IT'S IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT. (UI) ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD, SOUTHBOUND FROM THERE, IT'LL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE. GMH: NO, THAT'S WESTBOUND. CB: OR WESTBOUND. GMH: AND AT A, AT A POINT DUE SOUTH OF UH, DOUBLE BLAZES ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. CB: RIGHT. FIFTY, FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD THERE'LL BE DOUBLE BLAZED UH, TRAIL MARKINGS . . . GMH: ON A TREE. CB: ON A TREE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND . . . GMH: DUE SOUTH. FORTY YARDS. CB: AND IT'LL BE SOUTH OF THAT. BE ON THE LEFT, ABOUT FORTY YARDS. GMH: PILE OF BRUSH. CB: PILE OF BRUSH. GMH: IT'S A GENTLE, IT'S A GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE. CB: GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE . . . GMH: IF, IF IT'S A STEEP EMBANKMENT THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR. CB: ALRIGHT. YES. GMH: SO. SHE WAS ONLY SECURED WHEN WE WERE IN MOTION AND SOMETIMES NOT EVEN THEN. CB: OKAY. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN YOU GOT OUT YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD UH, NYLON . . . GMH: SHE ONLY . . . NO, NO. THAT'S JUST WHEN I WENT TO SLEEP. CB: OH, OKAY. GMH: I'D SAY HONEY I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO TIE YOU LOOSELY UH, I JUST, NOT TO, NOT TO RESTRAIN HER BUT JUST TO KEEP HER FROM READILY JUMPING UP AND RUNNING OFF. IN OTHER WORDS JUST TAKE A HUNDRED POUND TEST NYLON LINE . . . CB: UMM. GMH: AND PUT IT AROUND ONE LENGTH OR ONE THICKNESS AROUND HER ANKLE AND THEN PUT ABOUT, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND THEN PUT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT SQUARE KNOTS IN IT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND KNOT IT TIGHT. NOT HER, TIGHT ON HER. SO IN OTHER WORDS TO GET IT LOOSE YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT A WHILE. IT WAS JUST SO SHE COULD, IT WOULD WAKE ME UP UH, IF SHE WAS LEAVING. CB: AND YOU HAD THE OTHER END TIED WHERE? GMH: TO A SEAT BELT ANCHOR. CB: OKAY., GMH: THAT'S ALL. SHE WASN'T DOWN OR ANYTHING. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS JUST LOOSE AND, AND . . . (UI) GMH: OKAY. AND SO I, I HAVE UH, SO EACH DOG HAD A TWENTY DEGREE BAG. . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE GOT A FIFTEEN, OR SHE GOT A FIVE DEGREE BAG, AND I GOT A FIFTEEN DEGREE BAG, AND I GAVE HER THE AIR MATTRESS THAT DOESN'T LEAK AND I TOOK THE ONE THAT DOES LEAK (LAUGHS). AND UH, TO KEEP WARM. AND ALSO I RAN THE UH, VAN, IT WAS PRETTY COLD. IT WAS UH, PRETTY COLD THAT NIGHT. UH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIFTEEN (UI) FIFTEEN OUTSIDE. BUT SHE HELPED ME UNLOAD THE VAN. I INQUIRED ABOUT FOOD. NEITHER ONE OF US ATE ANYTHING. WE FEED THE DOG, I FED THE DOGS AND SO FORTH THEN SHE STILL CONVINCED ME THAT THE THING WAS GOING TO WORK. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I DETERMINED THE NEXT DAY THAT I WOULD GO TO CANTON. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND ONE REASON I HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION IS THAT I HAD A PERSON I KNEW THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, PLAN B WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM HER AND SHE WAS IN THAT DIRECTION. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. I DON'T, I HAVE, I HAVE UH, I HAVE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS ON ME, AND AS SOON AS I HAD GOTTEN HER IN THE VAN UH, SHORTLY AFTER I ABDUCTED HER I STOPPED AND GOT GAS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AT THE GAS STATION ON ONE TWENTY NINE, NORTH OF BLOOD MOUNTAIN, ON THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS, UH, NO, I STOPPED AT BOOGER HOLLOW GAS STATION ON THE RIGHT BUT IT WAS NO GOOD. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE PULLS UP AT THE OTHER ISLAND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS YELL OUT AND THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF IT. SO I DIDN'T LIKE THE SITUATION. SO I CONTINUED ON TO THE NEXT GAS STATION ON THE LEFT OR WEST SIDE OF ONE TWENTY NINE, GOING TOWARDS BLAIR, BLAIRSVILLE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND SPEND THIRTY DOLLARS OF MY LAST FORTY FIVE DOLLARS IN GAS. SO . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO, I HAD NO GAS, NO MONEY. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ONE REASON I HEADED TO CANTON SO I COULD GO ON TO CARTERSVILLE IF NECESSARY AND TRY TO GET SOME MONEY. CB: WHO IS THIS PERSON THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM AT UH . . . GMH: THE PERSON I WAS CALLING FROM THE GAS STATION WHERE, IN UH, CUMMING, WHERE THE CLOTHES WERE FOUND. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CALL I WAS MAKING. SHE REFUSED ME. CB: WHAT'S HER NAME? GMH: SHAWN STEWART. I BELIEVE YOU WERE PROBABLY STANDING THERE AS I CALLED. CB: OKAY. UH, DID YOU MAKE CONTACT WITH HER FROM CANTON? GMH: YEAH. NO, NOT CANTON. UH, OH NO, NOT CANTON. I DIDN'T CALL HER UNTIL . . . CB: YOU DIDN'T ATTEMPT UNTIL CUMMING. GMH: RIGHT. UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE I WAS ARRESTED CB: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T ATTEMPT IT UNTIL I STOPPED AT THAT GAS STATION. LET HER DOG OUT THERE. I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY, IT WAS FOR SEVERAL REASONS AND I . . . CB: WELL THAT'S, THAT'S . . . GMH: THAT'S (UI) CB: YEAH, LET'S GET, LET'S GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. UH (UI) GMH: SHERIFF IS ANYONE, COULD SOMEONE SPRING FOR ME A CUP OF COFFEE AT A DRIVE-IN SO I CAN KEEP GOING ON THIS THING HERE? I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT, CAN YOU DO IT? THERE'S MCDONALD'S. CB: WELL LET'S JUST KEEP GOING FOR RIGHT NOW AND THEN . . . GMH: OKAY. CB: WE'LL GET YOU A CUP HERE IN A SECOND. OKAY? (NOISE) GMH: WE'RE GOING TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD AND MAKING A RIGHT (UI) TD: YEAH, IT'S THE ONE UP AT THE OUTLETS. UM: OKAY. CB: YEAH, EXACTLY. AND WE'LL COME BACK DOWN AND GET YOU SOMETHING HERE IN JUST A SECOND. UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLOSE IN CASE THEY NEED US TO . . . GMH: OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, YOU GOT PEOPLE DOWN THERE. CB: (UI) GMH: RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. WE'LL GET, I KNOW, YOU, THEY, YOU, I UNDERSTAND AND WE'LL DO IT. WE'RE GONNA DO IT. CB: OKAY. UH, AFTER, AFTER YOU GOT TO CANTON, WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: WELL, WE GOT UP THE NEXT MORNING AND I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON BECAUSE AGAIN I HAD A LIMITED RANGE NOW . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . SO I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON TO TRY THE CARD AGAIN. (LAUGHS) CB: UH HUH. GMH: YEAH. SHE'S MAKING A BELIEVER OUT OF ME. CB: UH HUH. GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH. BUT SHE, I KNEW, BUT HEY, WHAT ELSE YOU GONNA DO? CB: RIGHT. GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS LYING. I KNEW SHE HAD BEEN LYING. I KNEW SHE WASN'T GIVING ME THE STRAIGHT STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT HEY . . .SO . . . CB: (ANSWERS PHONE) HELLO. HEY. OKAY. OKAY IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE, IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE BLAZE. GMH: DOUBLE BLAZE. ONE IS WHITE AND ONE'S KIND OF A, A DIFFERENT OTHER COLOR. CB: OKAY. THE FIRST, THE FIRST UH, BLAZE IS ON A TELEPHONE POLE. THAT'S NOT GONNA BE IT, IS IT? GMH: NO. IT'S ON A TREE. CB: IT'S ON A TREE. GMH: THEY'VE NOT GONE FAR ENOUGH THEN. BECAUSE A PHONE POLE WOULD BE BY THE ROAD. CB: LIGHT BLUE ABOVE RED? GMH: UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE TOGETHER. OR UH, SIDE BY SIDE. SIDE BY SIDE. CB: OKAY. THERE'S A FENCE ON OUT THE ROAD? GMH: ANOTHER WAY, THEY MAY BE ON THE WRONG DAMN ROAD THEN. UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FIRST ROAD, BUT . . .IT MAY NOT BE THE FIRST . . . CB: WE'RE AT DAWSONVILLE . . . GMH: TELL 'EM . . . CB: (UI) BIG INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE. GMH: TELL 'EM WE'RE ABOUT . . . CB: (UI) GMH: WE'RE THIRTEEN MILES FROM THEM. IT'S TEN MILES FROM HERE TO UH, DAWSON FOREST . . . CB: ALRIGHT, THEN. I'LL ASK. ALRIGHT. WILL DO. SEE YA. JUST TAKE US THERE. SHERIFF. GMH: SO THE NEXT DAY I DETERMINED I WOULD GO TO CANTON. TRY IT AGAIN. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEN PLANNED TO, TO GO ON PERHAPS TO CARTERSVILLE AND TRY TO (UI) SOME MONEY FROM SHAWN. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, SHAWN AND I ARE NOT CLOSE FRIENDS. UH, WE, I'VE KNOWN HER FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY ESTRANGED, KNOWN HER HER WHOLE LIFE BUT (UI) CB: WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, ONE THING (UI) AND I'M, I'M GONNA START PICKING UP THE PACE A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, HERE SHORTLY AND HE'S GONNA WANT (UI) BUT UH, WHAT UH, BANK DID YOU GO TO? GMH: I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT BUT IT'S ON UH, MARIETTA HIGHWAY SOUTH OF CANTON. CB: REGIONS BANK? GMH: YEAH, I THINK IT IS REGIONS BANK. IT'S NEAR THE MOOSE FACILITY AND I PARKED AROUND ON MOOSE LODGE ROAD. UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MOOSE LODGE ROAD, MOOSE HOME ROAD (UI) IT'S (UI) CB: RIGHT. GMH: WE SAT OVER THERE (UI) REGIONS BANK. SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE TWICE OR THREE TIMES. (LAUGHS) CB: AND, AND, AND, OKAY . . . COULDN'T, COULDN'T GET MONEY THERE. GMH: YEAH. CB: AND WHAT HAPPENED THEN? GMH: WENT TO DAWSON FOREST, UH, WHERE WE'RE UH, GOING NOW, BUT UH, NORTH ON SHOAL, ON UH, IN CAMP, ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, JUST NORTH OF SHOAL CREEK. IN OTHER WORDS, UH, SEVERAL MILES UP THE ROAD FROM WHERE WE, UP SHOAL CREEK FROM WHERE WE'RE GOING NOW. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND CAMPED THERE, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE I, I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE STAYED TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING THE NEXT DAY. YEAH. WE WENT HIKING, YEAH. WE WENT HIKING. YEAH, WE SPENT TWO DAYS, TWO NIGHTS THERE. AND WE WERE AT, WE'RE ELEVEN DEGREES OUTSIDE AIR TEMPERATURE THERE. SO I HAD STOVES GOING, I HAD, YOU KNOW, STOVE USED AS A HEATER,… CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND I HAD THE, THE VAN GOING. UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, TO KEEP WARM, AND WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING ONE DAY, THE NEXT DAY. WE TOOK BOTH DOGS AND WENT HIKING ALONG, ALONG SHOAL CREEK. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE HAD A GOOD TIME. CB: OKAY. HOW, HOW . . . GMH: WE . . . CB: HOW DID YOU KEEP HER FROM RUNNING OFF WHILE YOU WERE HIKING? GMH: NO, NO, SHE'S, SHE'S, I, SHE'S NOT HAVING A BAD TIME . . . CB: OH, I KNOW . . . GMH: EVEN THOUGH SHE'S BEEN KIDNAPED . . . SHE'S NOT HAVING . . . CB: I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING SHE WAS HAVING A BAD TIME. WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING . . . GMH: THERE'S NOWHERE FOR, OH, I TOLD HER I'D SHOOT HER ASS DOWN, I SAID WELL LISTEN HONEY. REMEMBER TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING ON ME AND THROUGH THE WOODS . . . CB: UH HUH. DID YOU HAVE A WEAPON WITH YOU? GMH: UH UH. NO, NO. I TOLD HER I HAD A GUN. CB: OKAY. GMH: OH, I SHOWED HER A BB GUN. CB: OH, YOU SHOWED HER THE BB GUN. GMH: SHOW, SHOWED HER ONE OF THOSE UH, DAISY XR15 BB GUNS THAT LOOKS LIKE A COLT COMBAT COMMANDER. SO . . . I HAD THREE OF THEM. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I HAD SHOWED HER THE GUN, BUT ONLY SHE SAID, NO, DON'T SHOW ME THE GUN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A GUN. SO ONE TIME AND THAT WAS IT. NO I TOLD HER REMEMBER TWO THINGS. ONE IS YOU BUST OUT THROUGH THE WOODS THE PURSUER HAS THE ADVANTAGE (UI) IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD OR ANYWHERE ELSE I'LL SHOOT YOU DOWN. AND I'M A GOOD SHOT LEFT OR RIGHT HANDED. (UI) AND UH, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. UH, SHE WAS NOT HAVING A BAD TIME AT ALL AND ENJOYING HERSELF ON THE HIKE. I COULD TELL THAT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: COMMENTING HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS WE HIKED FOR SEVERAL HOURS CB: OKAY. GMH: ALONG SHOAL CREEK. PART OF IT WAS ON AN EQUESTRIAN TRAIL AND PART OF IT WAS CROSS COUNTRY. CB: WHAT IF YOU HAD SEEN, CAME UPON SOMEBODY? HAD, DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? GMH: YEAH. CB: WHAT WAS YOU GONNA DO? HAD YOU TOLD HER NOT TO SAY ANYTHING? GMH: YEAH. I SAID IF WE COME UPON SOMEONE DON'T DO ANYTHING OR I'M GONNA SHOOT, START SHOOTING EVERYBODY. UNLESS IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT. I TOLD HER . . .I WON'T SHOOT IT OUT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT 'CAUSE I WON'T WIN. BUT I SAID IF IT'S ANYONE ELSE, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED. CB: OKAY. GMH: NO, SHE NEVER MADE ANY ATTEMPT. CB: DID YOU, DID YOU COME UPON ANYBODY ON THE TRAIL? GMH: NO. HELL, IT WAS ELEVEN, NO, I DIDN'T (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, WE HIKED UH, FOR SEVERAL HOURS THAT DAY. WITH THE DOGS. THE DOGS WERE LOOSE, SHE WAS LOOSE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME. AND COMMENTING ON HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS. AGAIN, SHE WASN'T HAVING A GOOD TIME CB: YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. GMH: UH, SHE WASN'T IN UH, MENTAL DISTRESS OTHER THAN ANY KIND OF (UI) CB: SO THIS WAS . . . GMH: I, I, I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER, OF HER, OF HER COMFORT AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE. CB: THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE THIRD. THE SECOND WAS THE DAY YOU WERE IN CANTON. AND . . . GMH: THEN THE THIRD . . . CB: YOU WENT HIKING FOR SEVERAL HOURS GMH: AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THAT I DIDN'T TRY TO RUN THE CARDS OR DO THE END RESULT. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: I'M NOT NOT REALLY SURE. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . GMH: AND THEN THE NEXT DAY UH, WE GOT UP AND I TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME. I'LL MOVE THIS ALONG AS YOU SAY. THE NEXT DAY WE GOT UP, TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME I TOLD HER THAT I HAD HER CELL PHONE AND I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. WHICH YOU HAVE THAT BAG FULL OF STUFF. UH, I UH, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER CELL PHONE. SHE . . . CB: SHERIFF WHAT KIND OF PHONE CHARGER DO YOU HAVE? SS: YOU HAVE VERIZON? CB: YEAH. IS IT A MOTOROLA? SS: (UI) CB: OKAY. NEVER MIND. THAT'S ALRIGHT. SS: YOU NEED TO USE MY PHONE. CB: NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. (UI) TD: IS THIS, IS THIS HIGHWAY NINE RIGHT HERE . . . GMH: UH, WE'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT ACROSS. TD: STRAIGHT ACROSS. RIGHT. GMH: NOW WE'RE GONNA . . . SS: GOING TO THE (UI) GMH: WE WILL BE IN ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED YARDS. SS: OKAY. GMH: SEE A FIRE STATION AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON YOUR RIGHT. SS: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE. WE'RE GETTING WITHIN A MILE OR SO TO SHOAL CREEK. TD: WHICH WAY FROM HERE? GMH: STRAIGHT ON. TD: RIGHT. GMH: AND WE'RE ABOUT A MILE FROM SHOAL CREEK. CB: OKAY. YOU TOLD HER YOU, SHE WAS GOING HOME THE NEXT DAY AND YOU HAD HER STUFF BAGGED UP . . . GMH: GOING HOME AND UH, I SAID I'M GIVING YOU ALL YOUR STUFF BACK. I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. I MADE A POINT OF SHOWING HER AS WE, SHE HELP, SHE ALWAYS HELPED ME LOAD AND UNLOAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE MY HAND WAS MESSED UP. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO, SHE WAS . . . SO . . . CB: THAT'S NOT MEDIA IS IT? UM: NO. CB: WELL HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY . . . GMH: OH, MAN. JESUS CHRIST. (UI) SS: YOU WANT MY BOYS TO TAKE CARE OF IT? CB: YEAH. (BEEP) SS: WHAT CAN WE TELL'EM, TELL 'EM TO GET OUT OF HERE? CB: TELL 'EM THEY NEED TO LEAVE. (UI, NOISE) GMH: THAT'S THEIR JOB. (UI) CB: JOHN YOU GOT MEDIA TRUCKS OUT HERE JUST LETTING, YOU KNOW, I GOT UNION COUNTY EVACUATING THEM, UH, SHADOW CAR WE HAD. BUT UH, CALL ME BACK. WE'RE COMING INTO YOU. GMH: OKAY. UH, AND, SO, SHE WOULD ALWAYS HELP ME UNPACK AND PACK AND SITUATE AND . . . CB: YOU TELL ME IF WE SEE 'EM NOW 'CAUSE I'M GONNA CUT THIS LIGHT OFF AGAIN. GMH: AND, SO IN OTHER WORDS, CONSISTENT WITH BEING KIDNAPED, SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME (LAUGHS) . . . CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. CB: OKAY. GMH: . . .I WOULDN'T SAY SHE'S ENJOYING IT, BUT SHE WAS . . . CB: WELL . . . GMH: . . . HEY, SHE WAS INTO IT. IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE. CB: WHAT I'M ASKING UH . . . GMH: SHE WAS AT EASE. AT EASE. TOTALLY AT EASE. (UI) CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, DID YOU GUYS LEAVE THE SITE YOU WERE CAMPING AT AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU KILL HER BEFORE THAT? GMH: NO, NO. OKAY. NO WE, PACKING UP AND TELLING HER, I'M TAKING HER, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . I WAS, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER AND SHOW HER HOW I MADE, SHOW HER I WAS PUTTING ALL HER STUFF TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING. PUT HER STUFF TOGETHER. SHE SAID TO ME ABOUT HER CELL PHONE SHE'S GOT ALL HER CONTACTS IN THERE. PUT HER CELL PHONE IN THERE. YEAH, SURE, I HAD JUST TAKEN OUT THE BATTERY. AND UH, AND EVERYTHING. AND I COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD BECAUSE A, WE WERE CAMPED RIGHT AT THE FORD OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND SHOAL CREEK. CB: CALL THEM AND TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND STAY OFF. SS: DO WHAT NOW? CB: TELL, TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND (UI) KEEP THESE GUYS OFF OF US. (NOISE) IF THEY TRY TO COME BACK BY HERE Y'ALL STOP 'EM FOR ME. OKAY? ALRIGHT. GMH: AND UH, WE JUST COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GONNA GO ANYWAY. BUT, SO A BIG TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, A LAWN CARE TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER OUT OF THE SHOAL CREEK AND EVERYTHING GOT HIMSELF STUCK CROSSWAYS OF THE ROAD. WE WENT NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD TO HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE RIGHT OR EAST ON (UI) CB: HOLD ON, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. OKAY? (NOISE) GMH: OKAY. SHOAL CREEK ROAD. SS: HEY, HOW YOU DOING? UF: GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? SS: DOING GOOD. UF: THEY'RE ALL DOWN THERE. SS: DOWN TO THE RIGHT? UF: TO THE RIGHT. SS: (UI) I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SUBURBAN TRYING TO KEEP SOME HEAT OFF OF IT BACK THERE . . . UF: THANK YOU. SS: . . . IF ANYBODY (UI) THANK YOU, MA'AM. UF: YEAH. CB: OKAY. SO . . . GMH: OKAY. SO (UI) GOT THE ROAD BLOCKED ANYWAY AND HE SAID HE WAS CALLING NINE ONE ONE, THE DRIVER, HE HAD GOT HIMSELF, HE WAS DOWN THERE UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, WASHING EQUIPMENT OFF, PESTICIDES, THAT KIND OF THING, FERTILIZER CB: RIGHT. GMH: OUT OF THE FORD, JUST 'CAUSE THE ROAD WAS A CONCRETE ROAD. ANYWAY, WE HEADED NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD, HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE, RIGHT, EAST ON FIFTY THREE, TO UH, HIGHWAY NINE, RIGHT, SOUTH ON HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD HERE. HERE NORTH, UH, UP TO THAT POINT, TOOK HER INTO THE FOREST, TOLD HER I WAS GETTING HER STUFF TOGETHER, I HAD TO GET THE TRUCK, 'CAUSE I, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING IN WHEN THAT GUY . . . CB: ALRIGHT, SLOW DOWN. SLOW DOWN. GMH: (UI) CB: YOU CAME, YOU CAME HERE . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: AND YOU, YOU GOT HER OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE VEHICLE. GMH: YEAH, BECAUSE I TOLD HER LISTEN, THE GUY'S STUCK DOWN THERE, SHE WAS LOOSE THE WHOLE, SHE WAS EVEN LOOSE DRIVING DOWN HERE, MAN. OKAY? CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH . . . CB: DID SHE RIDE UP . . . GMH: I'M KEEPING A HEADS UP . . . CB: DID SHE RIDE UP FRONT? GMH: NO, NO, JUST LAID DOWN IN THE BACK AND RELAXED, YOU KNOW. CB: YEAH. GMH: I, I ALWAYS, SHE WAS ALWAYS AT EASE AFTER THAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND . . . SO UH, TO HERE, NORTH UP THERE, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING AND I SAID HEY, HEY HON, UH, STRAIGHT ON. CB: IS THIS IT? GMH: NO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT GOOFED UP. THIS IS NOT IT. IT'S, I TOLD YOU THE FIRST ROAD, KEEP ON GOING. THAT'S WHY THEY MET, I WASN'T COUNTING THAT ROAD. WE, WE GOT TO GO ON. THAT'S WHY THEY COULDN'T FIND IT. CB: ALRIGHT, HOLD ON. GMH: TELL 'EM . . . CB: HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. (PAUSE) LET'S WAIT ON THEM. ALRIGHT? SS: I NEED TO TINKLE ANYWAY. (UI) GMH: UH, SO DO I. WELL, WE, I'LL WAIT TILL WE GET OUT THERE OR WHATEVER. (DOOR CLOSES) (PAUSE, NOISE) CB: ALRIGHT. SO . . . GMH: OH, AT ANY RATE, YEAH . . . CB: CAME TO, CAME TO THIS LOCATION. GMH: BUT JUST REAL QUICK BACK UP. WHEN THAT THING GOT STUCK I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW. THE, THAT GUY'S STUCK, THE LAW'S COMING, HE'S CALLED, MAN, WE JUMPED . . . SHE HELPED ME. I MEAN, SHE JUMPED RIGHT INTO. WE JUST GRABBED EVERYTHING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO, WE JUST HAD PILES OF STUFF IN THE VAN, JUST EVERYTHING WE HAD THROWN IN THE VAN AND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . PILED UP. SHE JUMPED IN AND WE TOOK OFF. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED MAN. YOU KNOW. CB: UH HUH. GMH: DROVE TO HERE, I SAID HEY, I GOTTA GET THIS STUFF ARRANGED. WE'RE GONNA LET YOU GO, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, I'VE GOTTA MOVE YOU OFF HERE, THE LAW'S ALL OVER THE PLACE AND EVERYTHING. DROVE DOWN HERE, PARKED, I, I WALKED HER INTO THE WOODS, GOT, GOT UH, TWO SLEEPING BAGS. I GOT AN AIR, I GOT A MATTRESS FOR HER TO SIT ON, TWO BAGS TO PUT OVER HER. A LENGTH OF CHAIN. TOOK HER DOWN TO THE, THE LOCATION WHERE SHE WAS KILLED. SECURED HER TO A TREE. WALKED BACK TO THE VAN. I'M STAGGERING AROUND BY NOW. YOU KNOW. I AM JUST, I HAVE HAD IT. I CAN'T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT. I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST STAGGERING, YOU KNOW. CB: UH HUH. GMH: (UI) I'M JUST STAGGERING. MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS CB: UH HUH. GMH: WENT, KINDA GOT MYSELF TOGETHER, MADE SOME COFFEE AND EVERYTHING. GOT AN IRON BAR, A JACK HANDLE, WALKED BACK, TOLD HER IT, OKAY . . . AND UH, AT THAT POINT SHE WAS, SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK (UI, LAUGHS) YOU GLAD TO SEE ME AND SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK. I GAVE HER A BOOK TO READ AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THERE. AND I WALKED UP AND MADE AS IF TO UH, UNSECURE THE CHAIN, UH, STRUCK HER WITH THE BAR UH . . . CB: WHAT, WHAT, WHAT BAR? GMH: IT, IT WAS A, A JACK HANDLE. UH, A, JUST A STRAIGHT JACK HANDLE. THE SOLID IRON, IRON BAR. UH, STRUCK HER WITH THAT. UH, SHE SAID NO, LET ME GO. PUT HER HANDS UP, UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER AND SHE, YOU'LL SEE SOME DEFENSIVE WOUNDS TO HER HANDS. CB: OKAY. GMH: SHE LOST CONSCIOUSNESS AND UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER TO ENSURE SHE WAS DEAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, THEN UH, I UNSECURED HER UH, REMOVED HER CLOTHING TO, FOR FORENSIC EVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S, WELL ACTUALLY THE, THE BLUE JACKET YOU HAVE UH, THAT'S SOAKED WITH HER BLOOD . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THAT'S MINE. CB: OKAY. GMH: THE, THE PILE PULLOVER, THE FLEECE PULLOVER THAT'S SOAKED WITH BLOOD . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THAT'S MINE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, THE PANTS UH, PILE PANTS THAT SHE WO, SHE HAD A PAIR OF SWEATPANTS ON BUT SHE HAD A PILE OF, A PAIR OF PILE PANTS ON... CB: UH HUH. GMH: OR OVER THAT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THAT'S MINE. UH, SHE WAS WEARING A LOT OF MY CLOTHES 'CAUSE I KEPT HER DRESSED WARMLY. CB: UH HUH. RIGHT. GMH: THAT'S ALL MINE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, SO REMOVED THAT CLOTHE, UH, CLOTHING UH, AND UH, AT THAT TIME REMOVED THE HEAD. AGAIN . . . CB: UH, LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, YOU HIT HER WITH THE BAR THAT YOU HAD . . . GMH: YES. CB: WHICH IS, WHICH IS LIKE A TIRE IRON OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE? GMH: IT'S, IT BELONGS TO THE JACK WHICH COMES WITH AN ASTRO. CB: I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. COMES WITH . . . GMH: IT'S A STRAIGHT, IT'S STRAIGHT . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, ONE END IS A LUG WRENCH . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: THING . . . CB: . . . AND WHERE IS IT AT? GMH: IT'S, IT'S LAYING ON THE GRASS AT THE GAS STATION IN CUMMING, BUT, WHERE MY VAN WAS PARKED. CB: IT'S IN THE GRASS . . . GMH: LAYING ON THE GRASS BY THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . NEAR THE DUMPSTER WHERE I WAS PARKED WHEN I WAS PUTTING IT IN THE DUMPSTER . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . AND MAKING THE PHONE CALL. I JUST TOOK THAT TIRE IRON AND PLACED IT ON THE GRASS. CB: ON THE GRASS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. CARRY ON ABOUT UH, BASICALLY REMOVING . . . GMH: OKAY. RE, REMOVED HER HEAD . . . CB: REMOVED THE HEAD. GMH: WITH A UH, SERRATED KNIFE, WHICH YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN THE DUMPSTER, I THINK IT'S THERE . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . UH . . . AND UH . . . AND UH . . . CB: A SE, A SERRATED KNIFE? GMH: YEAH. LIKE A BUTCHER KNIFE OR A KIT, A KIT, A KITCHEN KNIFE. A LONG . . . CB: AND, AND THAT WAS IN THE DUMPSTER AS WELL. GMH: I BELIEVE SO. I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH (UI) THAT . . . CB: CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT FOR ME? IS IT A FOLDING KNIFE? IS IT . . . GMH: NO, IT IS A KITCHEN KNIFE JUST LIKE IT WOULD COME IN A SET OF SERRATED KNIVES. UH, ONE SIDED, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE SHARPENED EDGE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: IT'S JUST YOUR STANDARD, GENERIC, CHEAP, TWELVE INCH, YOU WOULD CALL IT A BUTCHER KNIFE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I GUESS YOU WOULD. CB: WAS THAT, WAS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT DIFFICULT TO DO, TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S HEAD OFF? I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE, I MEAN, IS IT, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING . . . GMH: WELL . . . CB: . . . FOR MY, I, I . . . GMH: . . . I, I UNDERSTAND. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND IT UH, DIDN'T SEEM REAL, IT DOESN'T SEEM REAL, LOOKING BACK ON IT. CB: I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE, I CAN'T IMAGINE A KITCHEN KNIFE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. GMH: THIS IS A, A KNIFE WITH A BLADE THIS LONG . . . CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: THAT'S SERRATED. AND SO IT'S A SAW. CB: OH, OKAY. I GOTCHA, I GOTCHA. GMH: IT'S JUST SAWING. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS KEEP SAWING, SAWING . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . SAWING . . . CB: I GOTCHA. GMH: . . . SAWING, SAWING. AND THEN GET THROUGH THE JOINT. IT'S JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, THAT'S WHAT IT'S MADE FOR IN THE KITCHEN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: TO CUT UP MEAT. CB: RIGHT. OKAY. GMH: WHAT YOU WOULD USE TO, IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER THAN YOU WOULD USE TO CUT A CHICKEN UP. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: BUT YOU'D CUT UP, UH, LEG OF LAMB OR ANYTHING ELSE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: JUST A, GOT, IT'S, THE BLADE IS STRAIGHT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT COMES TO A POINT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, AND ONE SIDE IS SHARP AND THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT'S A HANDLE WITH NO HILT ON IT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND IT'S JUST THAT KIND OF STANDARD KNIFE. A KITCHEN . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD GET A SET OF THESE KNIVES WITH ONE BLADE THIS LONG, AND YOU'D HAVE A PARING KNIFE THAT LONG . . . CB: I, I . . . GMH: THEN YOU HAVE A BLADE THAT LONG AND IT WAS . . . CB: I KNOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU . . . GMH: . . . ONE WITH A BLADE THAT LONG. CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. GMH: SIMPLE AS CAN BE. CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU . . . YEAH. GMH: JUST A CHEAP KNIFE. CB: YEAH. I'M, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. GMH: OKAY. CB: UH, AND YOU, AND YOU THREW THAT INTO THE DUMPSTER IN CUMMING, I, I BELIEVE YOU SAID? OR . . . GMH: I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT ENDED UP. CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. THERE WAS A SHEATH TO A BAYONET IN, IN . . . GMH: THAT WAS THE BAYONET THAT I LOST CONTROL OF AND THAT, THAT . . . CB: AND IT SHOULD STILL BE ON THE MOUNTAIN. GMH: IT SHOULD BE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I WENT IN AND LOOKED FOR IT, BUT I, I, I, APPARENTLY IT WAS COVERED BY LEAVES . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . AND, AND I BRUSHED AROUND THE LEAVES, BUT I COULDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME NOW BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA COME ALONG AT ANY MINUTE. YOU KNOW. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: SO THAT BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: OKAY? BUT THAT'S THE BAYONET THAT, I DROPPED 'EM BOTH. I DROPPED BOTH THE BAYONET AND THAT, THE BAT. I WAS NOT FUNCTIONING WELL. CB: OKAY. UH, AND, DID YOU CONCEAL HER HEAD IN ANYTHING, OR DID YOU UH . . . GMH: NO. I BAGGED HER HEAD. . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IN A WHITE BAG AND TOOK IT WITH ME. CB: TRASH BAG? GMH: WHITE TRASH BAG. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: TOOK THAT AND THE TWO SLEEPING BAGS SHE WAS USING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . AND THE MATTRESS AND THE BOOK SHE WAS READING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: BACK TO THE VAN, DROVE UP A HALF A MILE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO THE NEXT PLACE WE'LL BE GOING. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND TOOK SOME OF HER BLOODY CLOTHES, SOME OF HER CLOTHES . . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, ACTUALLY THE CLOTHES THAT I DISCARDED WERE HER CLOTHES. THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE LOCATION OF THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . . CB: BLOW, BLOW THE HORN A COUPLE OF TIMES, SHERIFF. (HORN BLOWS) GMH: THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED IN THE DUMPSTER WERE MY CLOTHES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THAT I WANTED TO KEEP AND WASH BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE CLOTHES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. I STILL DIDN'T (UI) CB: THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER THING I, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KINDA PUZZLED ME. BUT I'LL GET, I'LL GET TO THAT. YOU BASICALLY TOOK THE HEAD ON TO THE OTHER, THE SECOND LOCATION. GMH: RIGHT. FOUND, PUT IT UP AGAINST A, A LOG . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: PULLED THE BAG OFF OF IT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: COVERED IT UP. CB: OKAY. GMH: TOOK HER BLOODY CLOTHES . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: WHICH WERE ALSO IN A SEPARATE, WHICH WERE IN A SEPARATE WHITE BAG . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: TOOK 'EM TWENTY FEET WEST . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND COVERED THOSE UP. CB: OKAY. SO THEY'RE TWENTY FEET WEST OF THE . . . GMH: YEAH, YEAH. CB: HEAD. GMH: AND I TOOK THEM OUT OF THE WHITE BAG. CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK . . . GMH: AND I THINK I LEFT THE WHITE BAGS ALSO THERE COVERED UP. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPOSE EVERY, EVERYTHING TO THE ELEMENTS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: RATHER THAN KEEP 'EM BAGGED. CB: RIGHT. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, YOU, YOU SAID YOU TOOK HER CLOTHES OFF, UH, AT THAT POINT . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: DID YOU TAKE EVERYTHING FROM HER? DID YOU TAKE HER UNDERWEAR AND EVERYTHING OR JUST UH . . . GMH: I TOOK EVERYTHING, HER UNDERWEAR, AND EVERYTHING EXCEPT HER NAVEL RING. HER NAVEL PIERCING RING. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, THAT WAS TO REMOVE ANY, YOU KNOW, CLOTHING THAT SOAKS UP FIBERS . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: LIKE, LIKE A FLASH. I UH, THE BLEACH . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: I POURED LIQUID BLEACH ALL OVER HER . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . TO ANY DNA. AND I KNEW, I KNEW BLEACH WOULD NOT DESTROY FIBERS . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: BUT I, THAT ANY DNA SHE MAY HAVE PICKED UP FROM MY CLOTHES, SHE'D BEEN WEARING MY CLOTHES FOR NOW WHAT, THREE DAYS. . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: OR SOMETHING AND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I POURED LIQUID BLEACH OVER HER AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT TO, DONE TO PRECLUDE IDENTIFICATION . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, OTHER THAN AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I'D EVEN BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HER. SO UH, AND I, I FELT, I KNEW THE BODY WOULD BE FOUND SOONER OR LATER, THESE BODIES, THE BODY IN HERE SOONER OR LATER IS GONNA COME TO LIGHT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT IS. AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST BODY THAT'S BEEN DISCARDED HERE. SS: DID YOU TALK TO JOHN? CB: NO, I CAN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM. SS: (UI) SHOW HIM WHERE THE . . . CB: WHERE'S HE AT? SS: HEAD WAS. (UI) JC: I'LL FOLLOW YOU. SS: OKAY. CB: (UI) HEY. SS: JOHN. CB: WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING TO? SS: THEY GOT THE BODY. JC: GO WHERE THE HEAD IS. WE FOUND THE BODY. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. TAKE US TO WHERE THE HEAD IS. OKAY? (NOISE) GMH: THEN I LEFT, HEADED UH, SOUTH TO THAT GAS STATION WHERE I MADE THE CALL TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY. I'M DOWN TO, I THINK IT WAS EIGHTEEN DOLLARS . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND I'M GETTING LOW ON GLASS, GAS. CB: THIS WAS IN CUMMING? GMH: YEAH. THAT GAS STATION. I TOOK HER DOG WITH ME AND I FOUND A LOCATION WHERE I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY. CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, I KNOW THAT YOU MADE A PHONE CALL FROM MARBLE HILL ALSO. AT ONE POINT. GMH: YOU MEAN UH, FROM A HUDDLE HOUSE? CB: RIGHT. GMH: THAT WAS TO MY EMPLOYER JOHN TABER TO GET TO UH, BEG MY OLD JOB BACK. CB: RIGHT. AND WAS SHE . . . GMH: I'VE HAD . . . CB: . . . ALREADY DEAD AT THAT POINT? OR . . . GMH: NO. CB: OKAY. SO WHAT DAY WAS THAT ON? WAS THAT THE DAY YOU GUYS WENT HIKING, WAS IT THE DAY AFTER YOU WENT HIKING? GMH: THAT WAS THE DAY WE WENT HIKING. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. CB: OKAY. GMH: I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: OKAY. I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING AND THEN WE'LL . . . SS: I'M SORRY. THEY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION . . . CB: TELL, YEAH, I'M SORRY . . . GMH: NO, WE GOT . . . SS: WHERE THE BODY IS . . . GMH: THAT'S THE BODY. AND, AND WE'RE GOING UP TO THE, THE UH, A ROAD ON THE TOP OF A RIDGE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: IT MAY BE THE SECOND GATED ROAD, I THINK IT'S THE SECOND GATED ROAD. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. I TOLD HER THAT NIGHT WE WOULD GO, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY TRIED CAMPING, THE CARDS WEREN'T RUNNING. I SAID I'M FINISHED WITH THESE CARDS. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I'M GONNA GO GET SOME MONEY FROM A FRIEND, ONCE I GET THAT MONEY IN MY POCKET, SOME RUNNING MONEY, I'M GONNA LET YOU GO. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SO WE WENT HIKING THAT DAY. AND THEN WE HEADED OSTENSIBLY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM MY FRIEND. CB: UH HUH. GMH: I STOPPED AT THAT CAR, THAT, THAT PHONE IN A HUDDLE HOUSE OR WAFFLE HOUSE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: CALLED MY, NO, SHE WAS IN THE VAN. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: SHE WAS IN THE VAN, LOOSELY SECURED. CB: OKAY. GMH: JUST AGAIN AT THE UH . . . CB: KEEP ON GOING, KEEP GOING (UI) NOW YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T . . . GMH: OH NO, I'M GONNA TELL YOU. YOU CAN'T MISS IT. CB: . . . WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT . . . GMH: NO, JUST GO ON UP THE, THE ROAD'S GONNA BE TO YOUR LEFT AT THE TOP OF A RIDGE AND WHEN YOU START GOING DOWN HILL YOU WILL HAVE GONE TOO FAR. SO . . .WE, WE HAVEN'T CROSSED A LITTLE BRIDGE YET, HAVE WE? SO I THINK, WE CAN, UH, ANYWAY, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. SS: YES, WE DID. GMH: WE DID? OKAY. (UI) GMH: SO . . . NO, SHE WAS ALIVE AND IN THE VAN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. BECAUSE UH, I CALLED MY OLD BOSS UH, GOT (UI) BUT I HAD, NOW I HAD NOTHING, NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. YOU KNOW. I (UI) CB: WHAT WAS YOUR PLANS? WERE YOU PLANNING ON LEAVING OR GETTING OUT OF TOWN OR . . . GMH: WELL, UH, I DIDN'T UH, I DIDN'T KNOW. UH, I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, I CALLED HIM TO SEE ABOUT WORKING FOR HIM. I, I, I, OR GET, I WAS, WELL NO, I, I TOLD HIM I WANTED SOME MONEY. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WORK FOR HIM AND TO LEAVE ME SOME MONEY UH, AT HIS OFFICE, UH, WHERE I USED TO LIVE. . THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, THAT'S THAT CALL. THEN I CAME BACK AND TOLD HER THAT I HAD GOT THE MONEY LINED UP BUT I COULDN'T GET IT TONIGHT AND WE'D GET IT TOMORROW. SO THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP SPENDING TWO NIGHTS. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: AND UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. CB: ALRIGHT. AND, SO THE MORNING, THE DAY THAT YOU, THE DAY THAT YOU WERE DISCARDING THE CLOTHING THAT'S THE DAY SHE DIED. IS THAT ACCURATE . . . GMH: YES, YES. CB: OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS? GMH: MAN, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE A . . . UH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN UH, TWO HOURS BEFORE. CB: IS IT GONNA BE THIS ROAD HERE? GMH: UH KEEP ON GOING A LITTLE MORE SHERIFF, UH . . . WAIT . . . NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. UH, NEXT. LET'S GO ON UP TO THE TOP . . . NO, THAT, THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT (LAUGHS) . . . I THOUGHT IT'S A POOR OLD CAMPER OUT HERE (UI) . . .THIS IS GOING UP TO THE, IT'LL BE THE TOP AND THE ROAD THEN WILL GO DOWN HILL TO THE LEFT. AFTER WE UH, AFTER WE PASS THAT ROAD. BUT WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER UH, RISE TO GO OVER. SHERIFF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS AND THEN DOWN AND UP AGAIN. SO JUST GO ON. UP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS RIDGE AND THEN DOWN INTO A HOLLOW AND THEN UP AGAIN. SS: UH HUH. GMH: AND BY THE WAY. SHE WAS LAYING IN THE BACK UNSECURED WHEN I WAS HEADED THIS WAY. AND I TURNED AROUND RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE I, I STOPPED HERE. I SAW A PICKUP UP THERE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. BUT I STOPPED HERE, BACKED IN AND TURNED AROUND, TO THE KILL LOCATION. AND THERE WAS A PICKUP THERE AND AS HE DROVE BY AND I WAVED AT HIM. IT WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT. CB: REALLY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS THAT CLOSE. IT WAS THAT CLOSE. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED EITHER. CB: OKAY. GMH: WHICH IS, I TOLD HER JUMP IN THE VAN AND LET'S GO. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED THE WHOLE TRIP AROUND, MAN. (COUGH) CB: OKAY. THE UH . . . (PAUSE) . . . UH, I, I GOTTA ASK YOU THIS. WAS THERE ANY UH, SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN YOU TWO? GMH: NO CB: AND, AND KEEP IN MIND NOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND OUT, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING YOU NOW IF IT, IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, WAS THERE ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU? GMH: YES. CB: THERE WAS? GMH: YES. ONE TIME. FIRST NIGHT. I TOLD HER, HONEY, UH, IT WASN'T FORCIBLE, BUT OF COURSE IT WAS UNWANTED . . . CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: SO IT WAS RAPE. BUT IT WASN'T FORCIBLE. CB: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: UH, AND I TOLD HER, HONEY, I TOLD YOU I WAS GONNA LET YOU GO... CB: UH HUH. GMH: YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, YOU'VE RUN ME ALL OVER NORTH GEORGIA. MADE ME PUT A HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES ON MY VAN. WE STILL DON'T, YOU LIED TO ME, YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, GIVE ME SOME PUSSY. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE DID. I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN . . . CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. CB: I UNDERSTAND. GMH: IT WAS. IT WAS UNWANTED. THIS IS IT UH, UP HERE. UH, HOLD IT. JUST KEEP GOING. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE JUST GOING TO, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE IT. THIS IS GONNA BE IT. SEE, IT'S DOWN HILL AND THEN THERE'S A (UI) TURN LEFT, GO UP, THERE'S A PARKING LOT TO THE RIGHT OF THE UH, GATE UP THERE. BY THE PARKING LOT. PARKING SPACE. SS: HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE GATE? GMH: AND YOU'LL GO UH, FROM THE GATE, OH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, PULL OVER HERE AND LEAVE ROOM FOR THESE GUYS . . . AND YOU SEE ALL THESE TREES LINING THE ROAD OR . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OKAY. WELL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GO DOWN, OH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE FORTY, FIFTY FEET, TO THE RIGHT. GO THROUGH THESE TREES. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF, OF TREES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. STEP OVER THESE TREES, GET DOWN MORE INTO WHERE IT'S CLEAR. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER TREE DOWN ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. THIS WAY. CB: HOW FAR DOWN? GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET. (UI) GMH: WALK THE ROAD. CUT RIGHT. YEAH, 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY THICK TO GET THROUGH. (UI) JC: THIRTY YARDS? CB: YOU WANT TO WALK HIM OUT THERE AND GET HIM TO SHOW YOU? GMH: YOU WANT ME TO WALK OUT THERE? JC: YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND. CB: HE'S NOT CUFFED. HE'S NOT CUFFED. SS: GOT LEG IRONS ON? CB: YEAH, HE'S GOT LEG IRONS. (NOISE, UI) CB: (UI) (NOISE) CB: MR. HILTON. GMH: HUH? CB: AS WE WALK I'M GONNA ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE THINGS, OKAY? IF YOU DON'T MIND. GMH: UM HUM, SURE (NOISE, DOOR CLOSES) GMH: I'M GONNA SECURE THESE GLASSES, THROW THESE GLASSES RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. CB: OKAY. I WILL REMEMBER THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE. OKAY? GMH: OKAY. (NOISE) CB: WRAP THAT BLANKET AROUND YOU. I KNOW YOU GET KINDA COLD. BUT REMEMBER YOU GOTTA SHUFFLE FEET NOW ON THOSE THINGS. ALRIGHT? GMH: OKAY. CB: UH, MR. HILTON, CAN I ASK YOU THIS RIGHT QUICK? GMH: YEAH. CB: YOU UH, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ONE SEXUAL ENCOUNTER. GMH: YEAH. CB: WAS, WAS THAT THE ONLY ONE? GMH: YEAH. CB: THERE WASN'T ANYTHING POST-MORTEM, RIGHT? GMH: NO. CB: OKAY. GMH: OH, NO. AND UH, THAT WAS IT, UH, UH, AND IT WASN'T WORTH IT. CB: ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW US WHERE WE NEED TO TURN OFF INTO THE WOODS AND WE'LL CALL THAT IT. (WALKING) SS: WANT ME TO TURN THEM LIGHTS ON? JC: YEAH. GMH: YEAH. GMH: LET ME UH, LET ME WALK UP HERE . . . (NOISE, UI) GMH: MAYBE I CAN GET, PUT YOUR LIGHT AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET UP THROUGH THERE . . . CB: NO, THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN JUST STAY RIGHT THERE. OKAY, MR. HILTON? GMH: OKAY. CB: LET US, LET THEM CHECK FIRST. GMH: GO ON THROUGH, GET THROUGH UNTIL THE WOODS THIN OUT. AND THEN LOOK KINDA TO YOUR LEFT. YOU'LL SEE A LONG TREE TRUNK LAYING THERE. ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. OR ALIGNED WITH THE ROAD MORE OR LESS. AND THEN LOOK ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF IT TOWARDS THE WEST END. OR YOUR LEFT END. (NOISE) CB: HEY, JOHN. JC: YEAH. CB: REMEMBER THERE SHOULD BE SOME CLOTHING ABOUT, HOW FAR? GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET UH, WEST OR . . . CB: TWENTY FEET TO YOUR LEFT. GMH: TO YOUR LEFT. AND . . . CB: DOWN THAT WAY. GMH: THEY ARE GONNA BE BURIED MORE OR LESS IN KIND OF A DEPRESSION IN THE GROUND, NOT BURIED, BUT COVERED WITH LEAVES . . . CB: COVERED WITH LEAVES IN KIND OF A HOLE IN THE GROUND. GMH: YEAH. CB: ABOUT TWENTY FEET TO THE LEFT OF YOU. GMH: IT'LL BE HER SWEAT CLOTHES, SWEATSHIRT, AND UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY WILL BE THE BLOODY WHITE BAGS THAT THE UH, ALL THE ITEMS HAD BEEN CONTAINED IN. I'M GONNA STEP OVER HERE AND TINKLE IF I MAY? MAY I? CB: UH, NO. YOU MAY NOT. STEP RIGHT BACK UP HERE WITH ME AND WE WILL. GMH: OKAY. CB: WE ARE TECHNICALLY IN A . . . GMH: OKAY, OKAY. CB: A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. WE DON'T WANT YOU DOING IT RIGHT HERE. (LAUGHS) GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN, UH, CONTAMINATING THE CRIME SCENE? CB: WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MUCH ISSUE WITH IT NOW, BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL WALK RIGHT UP HERE AND LET YOU HANDLE THAT. OKAY? GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN TECHNICALLY IN AN UNSECURED ENVIRONMENT. NO. OKAY, OKAY. YOU TELL ME. IS IT OKAY? CB: HOLD, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. OKAY. WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO THESE GENTLEMEN AND WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT? (NOISE) UM: (UI) GMH: YES. BUT THERE ARE TWO BLOODY WHITE BAGS NEARBY ALSO SEPARATELY COVERED UP. THERE'S NOTHING IN THEM, THEY JUST CONTAINED ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE FOUND. CB: THEY'RE JUST TWO WHITE TRASH BAGS HAVE SOME BLOOD ON THEM THAT USED TO CONTAIN THE CLOTHING. GMH: AND THE HEAD. CB: AND THE HEAD. UM: TWO WHITE BAGS (UI) GMH: ALTHOUGH I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHICH WAY THEY, THEY, THEY'RE AT. YOU KNOW. THEY WERE JUST . . . I DON'T REMEMBER (UI) CB: JOHN. I'M GONNA ESCORT HIM BACK UP OUTSIDE THE FENCE AND LET HIM UH . . . JC: STAND BY JUST A SECOND AND LET ME GET TO YOU. CB: ALRIGHT. (NOISE) CB: I APOLOGIZE. WE ACTUALLY MOVED UPHILL FROM WHERE WE WERE. GMH: YEAH. WELCOME TO CROSS COUNTRY. CB: ALRIGHT. JC: CLAY. CB: YES SIR. JC: (UI) CB: ALRIGHT. (NOISE) JC: UH, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN TRANSPORT HIM BACK. CB: OKAY. JC: WE FOUND . . . CB: SHERIFF. JC: DO YOU NEED TO (UI) I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, SOME KIND OF TOOL, A TIRE TOOL, SOMEWHERE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS? CB: YES, I KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT. UH . . . JC: DO Y'ALL THINK HE'S IN, DO THINK YOU NEED TO KEEP HIM HERE ANY LONGER? CB: NO, AND, AND I WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NEED BE COULD WE COME BACK AND, AND DISCUSS MAYBE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT'S POSSIBLY ABOUT UH, LOCATIONS ON THE TIRE TOOL IF WE DON'T FIND IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. JUST TO SURE UP THIS, THIS (UI). GMH: I CAN CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU RIGHT THERE. GO TO THE GAS STATION. CB: IN CUMMING. GMH: IN CUMMING. CB: UH HUH. GMH: GO TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: PULL UP. CB: UH HUH. GMH: GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH, WELL YOU BETTER, WRITE IT, GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, IN OTHER WORDS THERE'S ONE SPACE NEXT TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEN THE SECOND PARKING, SECOND THIRD, SECOND OR THIRD PARKING SPACE NORTH . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OF THE AIR PRESSURE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: THEN EAST OF THAT IS A GRASS BORDER OR APRON WHICH GOES AROUND THE STATION. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S A FENCE, OR A IRON, UH, THERE'S A FENCE. . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: OF A TYPE THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UH, AND IT WOULD BE, IF A VEHICLE WERE PARKED NOSE IN INTO THAT SPACE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT WOULD BE UH, UH, FIVE FEET FROM THE NOSE OF THAT VEHICLE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S AT THE VERY EDGE OF THE GAS STATION PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A DROP OFF FROM THERE . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: LIKE AN ABUTMENT OR SOMETHING. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT IF IT'S STILL THERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT. JUST GO TO THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE. GO TO THE THIRD SPACE NORTH OF IT . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEN IT, YOU, IF, IF YOU PARK A VEHICLE IN THAT SPACE THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU'VE GONE NORTH. AND THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST. CB: OKAY. GMH: THE GAS STATION IS BEHIND YOU. THE (UI) THE GAS STATION . . . (BACKGROUND TALKING, RE MOVING A CAR) CB: YES. GMH: OKAY. CB: OKAY. UH, I THINK . . . GMH: AND THAT . . . CB: . . . I GOT THE GIST OF IT. GMH: OH, YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU . . . CB: LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, IF, IF WE DIDN'T FIND THE KNIFE IN THAT DUMPSTER WHERE WOULD IT BE? GMH: I DON'T KNOW. CB: OKAY. BUT YOU THINK YOU EITHER DISCARDED IT THERE OR THE ONE IN THE CAMP . . . GMH: THAT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S PRETTY . . . CB: . . . WHERE YOU WERE PARKED? GMH: IT'S PRETTY MUCH BE, GOTTA BE THERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: OR, BUT . . . CB: THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO DUMPSTERS THAT YOU DISCARDED ANYTHING IN. GMH: RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, AND THAT THERE, THAT THERE. YEAH. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: YEAH, YEAH. SO IT SHOULD BE IN THERE. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD ENOUGH. GMH: YOU CAN'T . . . CB: SHERIFF. SS: ON MY WAY. CB: ALRIGHT. (NOISE, DOOR CLOSES) SS: (UI) GONNA TRY TO COME (UI) GMH: OH, THAT'S THE BEST WAY. SS: OH, IS IT? GMH: OH, YEAH. YEAH. LOOK, LOOK WHERE I PUT HER. YOU, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE BEST WAY RIGHT THERE. SS: WELL . . . UH . . . (NOISE) CB: I THINK HE GOT OUT ANYWAY. (UI) CB: WE MAY NEED TO GET THE TRUCK UP HERE OR SOMETHING. UH, MR. HILTON WE'LL LET YOU GO RIGHT UP HERE . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: AND UH, THEN SHERIFF WILL PROBABLY BE TRANSPORTING YOU BACK OR SOMEBODY WILL ANYWAY. GMH: OKAY. CB: UH, I ASSUME THAT Y'ALL WILL NOT HAVE ME ON THE RIDE BACK, BUT UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD ME THAT YOU THINK I NEED TO KNOW? GMH: NO. ABSOLUTELY. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . GMH: IF THERE'S ANY POINT IN YOUR MIND THAT IS UNCLEAR, ASK. CB: WELL . . . GMH: BUT I, YOU'VE GOT IT TIED UP. WE RUSHED A LITTLE AT THE END BUT IT WAS . . . CB: I'M UH . . . GMH: . . . (UI) YOU KNOW. CB: WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M KINDA CURIOUS ABOUT THE CHAINS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE FLOOR OF YOUR VEHICLE. GMH: YEAH. CB: WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS INCIDENT? I MEAN, WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT YOU WERE PLANNING ON DOING THIS TIME OR . . . NS: I THINK HE ANSWERED THAT. HE SAID HE WAS HAULING A GENERATOR. CB: OH, OKAY. NS: (UI) GMH: WELL, I HAD TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT I LIKE TO SECURE. ONE IS THE GENERATOR INSIDE THE VAN AND A HAND TRUCK . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: A NEW SEVEN FOOT HAND TRUCK WHICH . . . CB: RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY DURING THIS INCIDENT THEY WEREN'T THERE. GMH: NO THEY WEREN'T, BUT THEY HAVE STAYED . . . CB: WHEN YOU BROUGHT THEM . . . GMH: THEY HAVE STAYED IN THE VAN. CB: RIGHT. SO, SO, THEY WEREN'T ATTACHED TO THE FRAME AT THAT POINT. WAS, WAS THAT THE CASE THAT YOU WANTED TO USE THOSE TO CHAIN HER TO IF YOU BROUGHT HER DOWN? NS: I GUESS HE'S ASKING, AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALREADY . . . CB: I THINK HE'S ASKING IF IT'S OKAY . . GMH: NO. THEY, THEY WERE . . . UM: IF THEY WERE ALREADY ATTACHED (UI) GMH: . . . THEY WERE, THEY WERE LEFT THERE ATTACHED SO THE GENERATOR IS NORMALLY STORED BEHIND THE DRIVER'S SEAT. CB: WELL, WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME IS WHAT I'M SAYING. GMH: YEAH, YEAH. CB: THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME (UI) GMH: OH, NO, THE GENERATOR WASN'T THERE BUT THE CHAIN WAS JUST LEFT IN PLACE. AND IT WAS REALLY CARRIED IN ERROR THAN UH, NORMALLY I WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE IT IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE GENERATOR WITH ME. CB: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: BUT IT WAS JUST, THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR JUNK THAT, JUST LIKE THE TRUNK OF YOUR CAR. YOU END UP WITH YOUR GOLF CLUBS IN THERE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU'RE NOT PLAYING GOLF . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND SO FORTH. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . GMH: CAN I TINKLE OVER HERE SOMEWHERE? CB: YEAH. LET'S GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. (UI) CB: DO, DO WHAT? (UI, NOISE) GMH: (UI) TRUCK JUST LIKE THAT THAT DROVE RIGHT PAST US UP THERE. (UI) CB: YEAH. GMH: HE LOOKED RIGHT AT ME AND I WAVED AND SHE WAS JUST LAYING THERE. CB: RIGHT HERE'S A DECENT SPOT. GMH: OKAY. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. CB: NO, WE KNOW THAT. GMH: (LAUGHS) LITTLE LATE FOR THAT NOW. NO THAT'S FINE. I DON'T NEED A LIGHT TO PEE. IT'S GONNA TAKE ME A LITTLE BIT. UM: OKAY, THAT'S FINE. GMH: I HAVE AN ENLARGED PROSTATE SO I CAN'T HOLD IT AND I CAN'T GO. (PAUSE) CB: I MAY HAVE TO BORROW YOUR CHARGER, SHERIFF. OH, WELL, ACTUALLY IT MAY BE MY CHARGER. WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CHARGER? SS: THAT'S ONE I GOT TWO. CB: OH, OKAY, OKAY. SS: I GOT THREE (UI) HERE. CB: YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. SS: WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME SWITCHING OUT (UI) CB: DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR OTHER, DO YOU WANT YOUR OTHER GUYS TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK AND YOU HANG AROUND, OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT. UH, HE SHOULD BE READY TO GO BACK. SS: DEATON AND ME. WE MAY HANG AROUND UP THERE. Y'ALL DON'T CARE. CB: YEAH. NO, NO, NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT UH, I . . . WHO, WHO, WHOEVER YOU CAN GET TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK . . . SS: (UI) THEY'S FOUR (UI) CB: IS THEY ROOM FOR UH . . . GMH: I DROPPED A UH . . . CB: (UI) GMH: I UH, I'M GONNA PICK THIS UP I DROPPED, DROPPED THAT RIGHT THERE (UI) Y'ALL THINK IT'S PART OF THE CRIME SCENE OR . . . THEY'LL BE ANALYZING THIS THING. YEAH. OKAY. (NOISE) CB: MR. HILTON, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU AND I'M GONNA DO IT IN FRONT OF YOUR ATTORNEY. I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK YOU ANYTHING WITHOUT HIM HERE. (NOISE) WAS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU AT ALL, TO, TO DO THIS? AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS . . . GMH: I, I KNOW. CB: AS FAR AS TAKE HER LIFE? WAS IT DIFFICULT AT ALL? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT IT . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: . . . OR WAS, YOU JUST NEEDED HER FOR A NECESSITY FOR YOU? GMH: NO, NO, IT . . . CB: IS THAT . . . GMH: BUT, IT WAS LIKE AN, AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS SURREAL . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: OF COURSE IT'S SURREALISTIC. CB: RIGHT. GMH: REMOVING A HEAD IS JUST UNREAL. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UNREAL. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK BACK ON IT AND YOU SAY, THAT WASN'T EVEN REAL. CB: UH HUH. GMH: I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I WAS JUST IN UH, YOU MIGHT SAY AN ALTERED STATE? I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. IT WAS HARD. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS HARD. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS HARD. I, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WE HAD UH, SPENT SEVERAL GOOD DAYS TOGETHER ACTUALLY. CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. GMH: ACTUALLY SHE DID NOT HAVE A UNPLEASANT TIME . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: CONSISTENT WITH BEING . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: KIDNAPED. NOT AN UNPLEASANT, SHE COOPERATED, WE, WE DID ALL THE CAMPING ACTIVITIES TOGETHER. CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE, EVERY TIME WE WOULD LOAD AND UNLOAD SHE WOULD HELP ME LOAD AND UNLOAD. CB: UH HUH. GMH: WHEN WE HAD TO SUDDENLY MOVE WHEN THAT UH, TANK TRUCK UH, GOT STUCK AND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . THE GUY SAID I'M CALLING NINE ONE ONE, I CAN'T GET SERVICE, I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GO. COME ON. CB: UH HUH. GMH: JUST GRAB EVERYTHING. BOY SHE JUMPED RIGHT IN THERE WITH ME, THREW EVERYTHING IN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO WE WAS JUST, AND WE HAD THE DOGS AND, THE DOGS SLEPT THERE IN THE FRONT. HER DOG SLEPT IN MY . . . CB: AND YOU ACTUALLY TURNED HER DOG LOOSE IN, IN CUMMING . . . GMH: YEAH, YEAH I, I CHOSE THAT LOCATION BECAUSE UH, WELL NUMBER ONE THERE WAS A PIZ, IT WAS A BUSTLING AREA . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT WAS STILL EARLIER ENOUGH IN THE DAY, PLENTY OF PEOPLE. THERE WAS A PIZZA TO GO PLACE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND BEHIND IT WHERE I TURNED THE DOG LOOSE THE PIZZA DELIVERY BOYS WERE CONGREGATING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THEY HAD A PICNIC TABLE THERE. THEY WERE SMOKING CIGARETTES, AND I FELT AT THE VERY LEAST THE DOG WOULD WALK UP TO THEM AND SMELL THE PIZZA, THERE WAS THAT, IT WAS REALLY THAT KROGER, YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN TO THAT PLACE THERE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH . . . CB: I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. GMH: IT'S A BUSTLING, BUSTLING CENTER. YOU KNOW. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND I KNEW THAT THE DOG WOULD BE PICKED UP. CB: YOU KNEW THE DOG (UI) GMH: AND I, I ALSO, ALSO, ALSO KNEW THE DOG WAS MICROCHIPPED. CB: HOW'D YOU KNOW THAT? GMH: SHE TOLD ME. CB: SHE TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS MICROCHIPPED? GMH: YEAH. I UH, SHE TOLD ME . . . CB: DID YOU ASK HER IF IT WAS GPS'D OR . . .OR IF IT WAS UH, JUST SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW WHOSE IT WAS OR . . . GMH: NO, I ASKED HER HOW SHE, WE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, ABOUT EVERYTHING. HISTORY, UH, AND EVERYTHING. CB: UH HUH. GMH: OKAY. AT ANY RATE I ASKED HER WHERE SHE UH, HOW, SHE TOLD ME THE STORY OF WHERE SHE GOT THE DOG FROM. CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE PAID A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS FOR IT FROM A RESCUE PLACE. THE DOG HAD ALL BEEN DONE, SPAYED, AND INNOCULATED, MICROCHIPPED . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND EVERYTHING. I KNEW THE DOG HAD A MICROCHIP. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IF I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT UH, NO ONE WOULD ASSOCIATE THE DOG WITH HER I WOULD HAVE KILLED THE DOG. CB: RIGHT. GMH: BUT THERE'S NO WAY I COULD DO THAT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO I WAS ACTUALLY RISKING MYSELF BY, IN, IN OTHER WORDS I KNEW IF THE DOG WAS PICKED UP BY ANIMAL CONTROL RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE OR SOMEONE PICKED IT UP AND GAVE IT TO ANIMAL CONTROL . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT'D BE SCANNED. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEY WOULD FIND OUT IT WAS HER DOG. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A, ANOTHER LOCATION. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I KNEW IT WAS MICROCHIPPED ALREADY. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY AT THAT TIME OF DAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO, IF IT HAD BEEN LATE AT NIGHT IN SOME, AGAIN, WHEN EVERYTHING HAD GOTTEN DESERTED AND ALL THE STORES CLOSED AND EVERYTHING. . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . I UH, WOULDN'T HAVE FELT, DONE, YOU KNOW, FELT RIGHT ABOUT THAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I KNEW THE DOG UH, BEFORE NIGHTFALL WOULD, WOULD UH, WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE, WOULD, WOULD GO UP TO SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY THOSE PIZZA BOYS. I WAS JUST A HUNDRED YARDS FROM THE PIZZA BOYS OUT BACK AND, AND . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . SO FORTH AND THEY WOULD SEE THE DOG OR SOMEONE WOULD SEE THE DOG AT THE GAS STATION OR THE KROGER. AND SOMEONE CERTAINLY WOULD CALL ANIMAL CONTROL. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND CERTAINLY THE POLICE COME THROUGH THERE REGULARLY AND . . . CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. UH . . . IS THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE? GMH: I'LL LET MY ATTORNEY ANSWER. NS: UH, WE'RE NOT . . . CB: I UNDERSTAND. NS: (UI) THE AGREEMENT WAS HE WOULD ONLY BE ASKED ABOUT THIS. CB: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHUT THIS OFF AT APPROXIMATELY SEVEN THIRTY P.M. (END)
One hour later, authorities released Hilton's name and photo, asking the public's help in finding him. Before Jim Barkley could call the GBI about Hilton having just been in the restaurant, the GBI showed up. Agents took his restaurant's surveillance tape.
But Gary Hilton, with Meredith Emerson, was already long gone."I just wish that we had known then what we know now," Barkley said. "Maybe we could have done something to save her life."So who did Gary Hilton call from the restaurant? Barkley said the GBI agents told him they know who it is -- it's someone who immediately called the GBI about Hilton's call, as soon as the GBI announced that Hilton was wanted for questioning.
Wolfscratch: Mr. Jim Barkley said, "The GBI, showed up to get the security tape." My info says: The GBI responded by Helicopter, with several Squad cars, at aproxoimately 9PM; A FOUR HOUR RESPONSE TIME! Gary M. (Mack) Hilton, called John Tabor, his Xboss, at aproximately 5PM, 01/03/08 from the HH. My info says that Tabor had contacted the GBI, in Sept. 2007 and reported that he was a danger to society. My info, which is verified by employees, that although Tabor, has reported that Hilton, was unusually calm when he called, he was not calm at all. He had just seen his mug shot on the front page of the AJC. Tabor was being blackmailed by Hilton, and had paid him two payments previously, had evacuated his family for safety, and purchased a 9mm Glock, for his protection. It is my opinion that the GBI. allowed Tabor to set up this scheme, or sting, for Hilton to meet Tabor in Atlanta to pick up some money. By allowing Hilton 24 hours to dispose of all evidence, including Meredith, I feel that a simple 911 call by Tabor(which is what my 7 year old granddaughter would have done) would have iniated the rescue of Meredith, and the Capture of this: evil, cannibalistic, demonic, ritual: SERIAL KILLER of Hannibal Lecture; Magnitude, which has been slaughtering our families, friends, and loved ones, while living in our community constantly stalking his prey all over the Eastern US, oblivious to Law Enforcement. The GBI, and John Tabor, in my opinion, gambled with Meredith Hope Emerson's life, and she lost. May she rest in peace! She was my neighbor, for just four days. www.glennindawson.blogspot.com In my opinion, John Tabor needs to be investigated. In a interview, he said that he knew Hilton for 10 years, Hilton claimed that when he came off his meds,"The Demons Came out of Him"! Hilton, was the "CREATIVE WRITER", for the MOVIE: "MURDER RUN";By Samuel Rael; (a business associate of Tabor's and Attorney, Dekalb Co., GA.), about bringing young women to the North GA; Mountains, to an abandoned house, releasing them in the woods, and hunting them down; like animals..... My info also says that Gary Michael Hilton was artrested in Dekalb County, GA in 1982, for THREE COUNTS OF ATTEMPTED MURDER BY ARSON, when he torched his fiances house with her and her parents inside. The arrest arrest records recorded, the COURT RECORDS; VANISHED! Who was the Judge, DA, Arson Investigator, Arresting Officer, The Officer of Dekalb Police; in Charge. As I am sure the Elite GBI; PR Unit is not going to reveal this info. The Media will have to search for them. My info says that: The Media and Volunteers were Duped by the GBI; Leadership,due to the fact that the K9 unit dispatched to Blood Mountain, notified LE that Meredith had left the Mountain 30 min after arrival of the K9's... They didn't want interference in their investigation, or exposure of the incompetence, displayed in this tragic mission, in my opinion.
Wolfscratch. May his many, many, many victims rest in peace!
I talked to a Retired LE Officer today that said, "When Gary Hilton was asked, If you are so intelligent, why did you get arrested?" HILTON'S REPLY: "THEY HAVEN'T CAUGHT ME SINCE I WAS FOURTEEN YEARS OLD!" He is now 61 years old, now. Do; the Math!.....
Some call this spaming, I call it awareness; the public's right to know!
min ago Mr. King, I salute WXIA 11, for breaking the GBI; interogation of Gary Hilton. It was reported in the AJC a few weeks ago: "CASE CLOSED!". This case is far from being "CLOSED"..
IF THE TRUTH IS TO PREVAIL, THE CENSORSHIP RULES SHOULD BE RELAXED.
Under the same rules, this news would have nevermade it on the air. I understand that this is traumatic to the general public. The only way to prevent this from any more of our families, loved ones, and neighbors, is to expose the truth, no matter how painful.... GARY MICHAEL "MACK" HILTON: EVIL, DEMONIC, CANNIBALISTIC, RITUAL: SERIAL KILLER OF; HANNIBAL LECTUR; MAGNITUDE.
Mr. King What; outlandish remarks? I stick to all my descriptions and claims. God, I wish I was wrong. may his many, many victims rest in peace...
TRANSCRIPT OF GBI INTERVIEW WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH). GBI SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF'S INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD) UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI) UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: . . . SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES, SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE. TODAY'S DATE IS JANUARY 7TH, 2008. TIME IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR FIFTY, UH, FOUR FIFTY FIVE P.M. GONNA BE CONDUCTING AN IN CUSTODY INTERVIEW ALONG WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON AND HIS ATTORNEY WILL BE PRESENT ALSO. (NOISE, NON-PERTINENT UNTIL HILTON ARRIVES) (PARTICIPANTS GREET EACH OTHER) GMH: CAN WE UNCHAIN? (UI) I MEAN, YOU KNOW . . . CB: NO, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST STAY LIKE THAT FOR RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT. ACTUALLY, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS . . . (NOISE, UI, TALKING IN BACKGROUND) JC: . . . IF YOU'LL TELL ME THE AREA . . . GMH: YEAH, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE. JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: IT'S DAWSON FOREST (UI) JC: DAWSON FOREST? O.K. GMH: (UI) JC: I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. GMH: OKAY (UI) OH, GOOD. IT'S A NICE PLACE ISN'T IT . . . THERE'S A UH, THIS, THIS UH, IT'S THE CITY OF ATLANTA TRACK, THERE'S A NUMBER OF TRACKS. JC: THERE IS. GMH: OKAY. AND THIS CITY, THE ATLANTA TRACK IS BISECTED BY UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD. JC: RIGHT. IT'S OFF FIFTY THREE? GMH: YES IT IS. AND, AND THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: AND IT GOES THROUGH, RIGHT, THIS IS SHOAL CREEK, AND IT CROSSES AND IT FORDS THE CREEK ON, ON A, CONCRETE FORD. AND IT CONTINUES ON AND IT COMES OUT ONTO DAWSON FOREST ROAD. JC: RIGHT. GMH: EAST, WHICH IS THERE. AND IF YOU WERE TO ENTER FROM THIS DIRECTION, WHICH IS WHERE YOU, YOU'D WANT TO COME FROM. JC: FROM HIGHWAY NINE? GMH: UH, FROM NINE, FOUR, FOUR HUNDRED, NINE. JC: OKAY. GMH: EITHER WAY. UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW. JC: WE'LL GO IN FROM NINE. GMH: UH, OKAY. YOU'RE GOING IN FROM NINE. OKAY. MAKE A RIGHT ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD. GO TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND GO UP AND THERE'S A . . . JC: TURN, TURN ON SHOAL CREEK? GMH: I'M SORRY. TURN NORTH, TURN RIGHT OR NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK. THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD. I'LL START MAKING MARKS ALL OVER (UI) COME IN FROM HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST ROAD. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD ALSO. MAKE, MAKE A RIGHT OR WEST. JC: RIGHT. GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH. OKAY? NOW. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD. MAKE A RIGHT ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH BECOMES DIRT. AND THERE IS UH, SEVERAL GATED ROADS UH, OFF OF THE WEST SIDE. THEY'RE NOT ON THE MAP. THEY'RE GATED AND THE GATES ARE CLOSED AND THEY ARE DESIGNATED AS TRAILS. JC: RIGHT. GMH: AS HIKER TRAILS, BIKE TRAILS, AND EQUESTRIAN TRAILS . . . UH, THEY ARE HEAVILY USED EQUESTRIAN TRAILS CAUSE THERE'S MANY TRACKS, FRESH TRACKS AND FRESH HORSE TRACKS, AND HORSE DROPPINGS AND SO YOU WOULD TAKE UH, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD YOU WOULD TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS NORTH, OR, OR RIGHT, AND I, IF, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST ROAD UH, TO YOUR LEFT, IT IS UH, DESIGNATED UH, AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, AND BIKING TRAIL, A GATED ROAD WITH A GATE ACROSS IT. AND AS FAR AS I REMEMBER IT IS THE FIRST ONE. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND A, ANOTHER WAY TO, TO MAKE, ENSURE THAT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT ROAD, IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THAT ROAD, ON EITHER SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD IS A SIGN THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT. JC: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: OKAY? SO THAT, THAT WILL BE YOUR, AND I THINK IT'S THE FIRST ONE. I'M ALMOST . . . JC: DOES IT TURN OFF TO THE LEFT (UI) GMH: YES, TO THE, TO THE LEFT AND, OR WEST. JC: HOW FAR DOWN, HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD? GMH: OKAY. AND SO YOU WOULD, IT'S A GATED ROAD, AND YOU WOULD GO UH, DOWN THAT ROAD A, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, A WAY TO UH, RECOGNIZE THE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE OFF UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THE BODY WILL BE. JC: O, OKAY. GMH: OKAY. AND UH, A LANDMARK FOR THAT WILL BE THE TRAIL UH, THE HIKER OR HORSEBACK TRAIL IS DOUBLE BLAZED, IT HAS TWO BLAZES 'CAUSE IT'S TWO TRAILS TOGETHER. ONE IS A, LIKE A LAVENDER, ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS DOWN? OKAY. ONE IS A LAVENDER BLAZE OR GRAY BL, SOME, YOU KNOW . . . JC: RIGHT. GMH: . . .A BLAZE, AND ONE IS A WHITE BLAZE. BY BLAZE I MEAN A SQUARE STENCILED ONTO A TREE. JC: CORRECT. GMH: OKAY. IT'S DOUBLE BLAZED. AND UH, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN ON THE, DOWN, YOU KNOW, WEST, UH, IS, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE. IF, IF YOU GO PAST THAT DOUBLE BLAZE YOU'LL SEE A, ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT ANOTHER FIFTY YARDS. BUT IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE. JC: OKAY. GMH: THEN YOU WOULD TURN OFF THE ROAD . . . JC: WHICH WAY? GMH: SOUTH . . . JC: SOUTH . . . GMH: . . . OR LEFT . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: OKAY, AND THE BODY WILL BE UH, APPROXIMATELY FORTY YARDS OR A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: UH, OFF OF THAT, UH, SOUTH OF THAT . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: IT'S COVERED BY LEAVES AND UH, BRUSH. AND A WAY TO TELL IF YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR IS THAT THE, UH, SOUTH OR LEFT SIDE IS NO LONGER RELATIVELY LEVEL. IT BECOMES A, A STEEP EMBANKMENT TO YOUR LEFT. IF, IF THAT, THAT OCCURS, IF TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES IN THAT MANNER . . . JC: RIGHT. GMH: THEN YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR. JC: OKAY. GMH: YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE. I ACTUALLY WALKED PAST IT ONE TIME MYSELF. AND . . . JC: YOU SAID THE BODY IS DOWN THERE ON THE LEFT (UI) ROAD (UI) GMH: ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET OR FORTY YARDS . . . JC: IS IT, AND UNDER SOME LEAVES AND BRUSH. GMH: UNDER JUST A PILE OF LEAVES AND BRUSH. BUT NOT BURIED. JC: OKAY. IS, IS IT WRAPPED IN ANYTHING? GMH: NO, IT ISN'T. JC: IS IT, IS IT CLOTHED? GMH: UH, NO, IT ISN'T. JC: IS IT INTACT? GMH: NO, IT ISN'T. JC: OKAY. GMH: I'LL TELL YOU . . . JC: YOU WANT TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THAT? GMH: OKAY. YES. THE HEAD WILL BE MISSING. JC: WHERE IS THE HEAD? GMH: THE ONLY REASON BY THE WAY THE HEAD WAS REMOVED WAS FORENSICALLY. JC: YEAH. RIGHT. GMH: IN OTHER WORDS IS THE HAIR IS FULL OF FIBERS. JC: SURE. GMH: AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. JC: WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE HEAD BE? GMH: OKAY. I'M GONNA TELL YOU. THEN TO LOCATE THAT CONTINUE NORTH ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: I MEAN, ON SHOAL . . I'M SORRY . . . JC: SO YOU COME BACK OUT OF THAT (UI) GMH: COME BACK OUT . . . JC: TO SHOAL CREEK . . . GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. TURN LEFT OR NORTH. JC: GOT IT. GMH: GO PAST THE DOUBLE SIGN NO BICYCLES ALLOWED. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE ABOUT THE SECOND GATED ROAD AND IT WOULD BE UH, APPROXIMATELY A HALF A MILE NORTH. AND IT WILL BE ON . . . JC: LEFT, LEFT, OR EAST OR WEST? GMH: IT WILL BE OFF, OFF TO THE LEFT OR WEST . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: OKAY. AND UH, IT WILL BE ON A, A RIDGE LINE, UH, THE ROAD IS. THE ROAD IS ON A RIDGE LINE AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER TOPOGRAPHY. IT WILL BE A PRONOUNCED RIDGE THAT FALLS OFF TO EITHER SIDE. AND UH, SO, AND IT'S GOT A GATE ACROSS IT. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY THE ROAD IS THERE, SO YOU WOULD TURN LEFT OR WEST, AND UH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE HARDER TO FIND. YOU'RE GONNA NEED A DOG FOR THIS, I BELIEVE. JC: CAN YOU HELP US? GMH: WELL, I'LL HELP. JC: OKAY. GMH: I, I, IT'S, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TO GO THERE, THOUGH, I MEAN . . . JC: WELL, WE . . . GMH: . . . BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND . . . JC: WHAT I'D LIKE . . . GMH: . . . IF I'M GONNA HELP YOU, I'M GONNA HELP YOU. JC: WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO . . . GMH: YOU KNOW. JC: . . . IS, IS TRY TO FIND IT WITHOUT YOU. BUT YEAH TAKE YOU DOWN THERE, AND IF WE NEED HIM HE'S THERE TO HELP. GMH: COULD I HAVE SOME PAPER? CB: YES. THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT IT. (UI) JC: WELL, GO, GO AHEAD AND TELL US . . . GMH: I'M GONNA DRAW YOU GUYS A MAP (UI) JC: WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU DOWN THERE BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, IF WE DON'T NEED YOU (UI) CB: IF WE NEED YOU WE MAY NEED TO BRING YOU IN THERE OR WHATEVER. GMH: UH, SO NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE (UI) AND SO . . . AND THIS IS NOT (UI) BUT I JUST (UI) THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . .(NOISE) . . . AND OF COURSE NORTH. GMH: AND UH, THE BODY WOULD BE . . . DOWN HERE . . . JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: . . . THERE . . . OKAY . . . AND UH, THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE OTHER CLOSED GATED ROAD (UI) GATE. OKAY? JC: OKAY. GMH: AND YOU'LL CONTINUE ON TO HERE, HERE'S YOUR OTHER CLOSED ROAD. AND I THINK IT'S JUST THE SECOND ONE AFTER THAT ONE. JC: OKAY. GMH: AND THE WAY REALLY TO RECOGNIZE IT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU. JC: OKAY. GMH: HERE'S THE GATED OR CLOSED ROAD. AND THIS UH, IS UH, A CREEK OR DRAINAGE NOTCH, THIS IS UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SYMBOLS YOU WANT ME TO USE. OKAY, UH, DRAINAGE. OKAY, DRAINAGE. OKAY. AND THEN UH, THIS IS ALSO, SO THIS IS A RIDGE, MORE OR LESS, OF A, OF A RIDGE LINE THAT THE ROAD IS ON. JC: UH HUH. GMH: AND SO THE, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY UH, LET ME GET AN ESTIMATE HERE, FOOTAGE, UH . . . (NOISE) . . . THIRTY YARDS, UH, LIKE THAT, OKAY. AND THERE IS A, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES CUT DOWN EDGING THE ROAD. OKAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO STEP OVER THOSE. AND THEN THERE'S A, THESE ARE TREE TRUNKS. JC: UH HUH. GMH: AND THEN THERE'S A TREE TRUNK RIGHT THERE AND THE HEAD IS ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE FLIP, THE OTHER SIDE UH, JUST COVERED IN LEAVES. JC: DOES IT HAVE A BAG OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? JUST IN LEAVES? (UI) GMH: NO, NO, JUST IN LEAVES. AND YOU CAN LOOK, THIS IS DOWN HILL, UH, UH, I COULD DRAW A (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YOU'RE ON A RIDGE. AND YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT DOWN AND SEE SHOAL CREEK ROAD AS IT (UI) GOES, GOES AROUND (UI) INSIDE OF THE ROAD FROM HERE, ACTUALLY. JC: OKAY. GMH: THIS DRAINAGE IS JUST UH, A CLEAR CUT AREA (UI) . . . CB: HOW FAR IS THIS DID YOU SAY? SEVENTY . . . GMH: ABOUT THIRTY YARDS. CB: THIRTY YARDS. OKAY. GMH: AND, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DOWN TREES. THIS IS ALL FRONTED, SO TO SPEAK, BY DOWN TREES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: OKAY. JC: SO IT'S BEHIND . . . GMH: BUT IT . . . JC: (UI) TREES . . . A LOG OR (UI) GMH: IT'S, IT'S (UI) A FULL TREE TRUNK. JC: IS IT? OKAY. GMH: YEAH. BUT SEE, THIS, THIS IS A BUNCH OF YOUR BRUSH AND TREES AND IF YOU STEP OVER THIS, IF YOU JUST START CHECKING THE NORTH SIDE . . . JC: OKAY. CB: IS THERE ANY? GMH: UH, YOU'LL LOCATE IT. CB: IS THERE ANY TRAIL MARKINGS UP HERE? GMH: I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING REALLY (UI) HAS, THIS ONE HAS, THE, THE DIVIDED ROAD HAS A DESIGNATED UH . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: TRAIL SIGN . . . I DON'T REMEMBER THE . . . JC: YOU SAID ABOUT FIFTY FEET (UI) CB: FIFTY YARDS. GMH: NO, ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET. ABOUT FORTY YARDS. JC: FROM THE TURN? GMH: FROM UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD. YEAH. JC: OKAY. AND DOWN ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . . GMH: HOLD IT, I, NO, I DID SAY FIFTY, YEAH, OKAY, AND ABOUT FIF, AND THEN ABOUT, ABOUT FORTY . . . CB: IT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZED . . . GMH: YEAH. AND YOU'LL SEE THE DOUBLE BLAZES ARE ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE (UI) CB: THE SAME SIDE THE BODY WOULD BE ON. GMH: YEAH, YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, AND THE DOUBLE BLAZE IS ALMOST DUE NORTH OF THE BODY (UI) AND THEN THE ROAD WOULD CONTINUE ON. YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT THERE, BUT NOW THIS HAS BECOME A, THIS AREA HERE HAS BECOME A STEEP EMBANKMENT WHILE THIS IS ONLY RELATIVELY SHALLOW DOWNHILL. JC: OKAY. GMH: JUST MORE OR LESS LEVEL. NOTHING'S LEVEL UP THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. AND SO, BUT IT'S MORE OR LESS LEVEL DOWNHILL. IF YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE AND THIS, THE ROAD WILL BE STEEPLY EMBANKED TO THE SOUTH SIDE. JC: OKAY. GMH: OKAY, NOW, IF YOU PUT A DOG ON IT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL JUST COME UP WITH IT LIKE THAT. CB: OKAY, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS, IS THAT THE ONLY PORTION OF THE BODY THAT'S MISSING? GMH: THAT IS ALL. CB: OKAY. GMH: THAT IS ALL. CB: ALRIGHT. GMH: OH. AND I SHOULD MENTION, TOO, THAT BY HER HEAD IS UH, CLOTHING. MORE CLOTHING. NOT BESIDE HER HEAD, BUT IT'S UP AGAINST ANOTHER, IT'S WITHIN TWENTY FEET . . . JC: WHAT KIND OF CLOTHING? GMH: UH, UH, HER, A SWEATSHIRT OR SOMETHING. JC: OKAY. THAT KIND OF CLOTHING. UM: AND THE REASON THE BODY IS (UI) GMH: IT'S FORENSIC. FOR FORENSICS. UH, THE CLOTHING WOULD . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: SEE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS DISAPPEARANCE AT THAT TIME. JC: RIGHT. GMH: YOU SEE, I DIDN'T FIND THAT OUT TILL LATER ON IN THE DAY I STOPPED AT A GAS STATION AND I'M ON THE FRONT PAGE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: I HAD NO IDEA. SO I THOUGHT I WAS, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD FORENSICALLY ERASE IT . . . CB: RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. GMH: THAT'S . . . CB: ONE THING, ONE THING THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE IS, IS MAYBE DISCUSS THIS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IT, HOW IT CAME TO BE AND WHATEVER, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT WITH Y'ALL. (NOISE) GMH: (UI) . . . I, I, MY ATTORNEY (UI) JC: (UI) I WAS JUST THINKING (UI) EITHER OR BOTH OF YOU UP THERE, BUT THAT'S YOUR CALL. NS: NOW COULD WE, LIKE UH . . . GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO BE INTERROGATED (UI) WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF MY ATTORNEY. JC: OH, THAT . . . CB: OH, NO, NO, THAT WON'T HAPPEN. THAT WON'T HAPPEN. GMH: (UI) IN ANY MATTER WITHOUT THE PRESENCE . . . CB: NO. THAT WON'T HAPPEN. GMH: I APOLOGIZE TO BOTH OF YOU GUYS . . . CB: NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO US. JC: I UNDERSTAND. GMH: YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. IT'S BEEN TRYING FOR YOU. I'M SURE THESE CASES ARE EMOTIONALLY WRENCHING. CB: YEAH. GMH: FOR YOU. CB: YEAH. GMH: BUT, THAT'S YOUR DAMN JOB. (LAUGHS) SO . . . (UI) CB: THAT'S RIGHT. JC: WELL WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING NOW IS (UI) (UI) GMH: JUST TAKE A DOG AND YOU'LL HAVE IT. (NOISE) GMH: AND IF THE DOG, UH, IN THE AREA OF THE HEAD, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE AREA OF HER BODY THAT THE DOG WOULD HIT ON. BUT THE DOG MIGHT HIT ON HER CLOTHING NEAR HER HEAD FIRST. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING FIRST . . . JC: UH HUH. GMH: . . . THEN THE HEAD IS GOING TO BE EAST OF THE CLOTHING, ABOUT TWENTY YARDS . . . JC: EAST OF THE CLOTHING. GMH: OF THE CLOTHING. OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GO WEST DOWN THE ROAD, THE HEAD IS THERE, TWENTY OR SO FEET ON FURTHER WEST IS THE CLOTHING. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING THEN COME BACK EAST ABOUT TWENTY FEET. LOOK. THERE'S, THERE'S A FALLEN TREE . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: ALIGNED . . . JC: OKAY. GMH: . . . EAST AND WEST, BASICALLY, THE FALLEN TREE. IT'S A LONG, IT'S A WHOLE INTACT TREE TRUNK . . . JC: WE JUST GOTTA GET ON THE ROAD . . . GMH: GET ON THE ROAD. YOU'RE GONNA GET DARK AND COLD. HEY TAKE GLOVES. JC: HE'S GOING. CB: HE'S GOING, HE'S GOING WITH, WITH ME AND . . . JC: WITH THE SHERIFF? CB: . . . AND, AND, ME AND . . . JC: Y'ALL (UI) CB: . . . AND . . . JC: OKAY. CB: YES SIR. GMH: YOU GUYS GOT IT IN YOU TO GO OR . . . JC: WELL TODD'S GONNA GO . . . UM: YEAH . . . YEAH. UM: YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA BE (UI) ARE YOU COMING OR WHAT? NS: WELL UH, YEAH, I CAN RIDE . . . GMH: OR YOU GOT A DINNER DATE? OKAY. NS: NO, NO, NO. I CAN RIDE. I JUST NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM BEFORE WE GO. CB: OKAY. GMH: HEY, YEAH, IT, I JUST WON'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF (UI) NS: RIGHT. (UI) CB: OKAY. I'M GONNA PUT THOSE BACK ON YOU AND WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR BLANKET BACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE. GMH: OKAY. THAT'LL BE GOOD . . . CB: YEAH. UM: (UI) BE THERE . . . GMH: 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, I HAVE MY LITTLE (UI) IT'S . . . CB: I UNDERSTAND. GMH: (UI) . . . TAKE, TAKING RITALIN AND THAT'S, IF THIS WILL KEEP (UI) CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY. (NOISE, UI) CB: DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM. HE'S KINDA WRECKED. NOT WRECKED WRECKED, BUT I MEAN, IN, IN (UI) UH (UI) JC: HE'S ON THE WAY. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. (NOISE) GMH: NO, THANKS, NO. CB: YOU GOT HIM FOR JUST A SECOND (UI) YOU'RE WITH HIM FOR JUST A SECOND . . . (NOISE) CB: STOPPING TAPE APPROXIMATELY FIVE SIXTEEN P.M. (*END OF 1ST CD/TAPE)
TRANSCRIPT #2
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TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED INTERVIEW OF GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH) BY GBI SPECIAL AGENT (SA) CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS), UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS), PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD), ENOTAH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT DISTRICT ATTORNEY STAN GUNTER (SG). UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI) UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: OKAY, I JUST WANTED, I'M, I'M ONLY (UI) IT'S UH, JUST SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING . . . NS: RIGHT. CB: THIS INCIDENT. NS: RIGHT. CB: HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD. DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO SHOAL CREEK. SG: AND THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE WOULD BE TO GO TO THE MALL OR GO (UI) CB: I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO RACK MY BRAIN ON HOW TO GET DOWN THERE TO IT, BUT UH . . . SG: WELL, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM OVER HERE . . . YOU COULD TAKE THOSE BACK ROADS TO FOUR HUNDRED. CB: DO YOU HAVE JOHN ON YOUR CELL PHONE? SG: I DO. CB: HE, HE (UI) SG: OH. I'D SAY THE QUICKEST WAY IS TO TAKE THOSE ROADS, BACK ROADS DOWN LONG BRANCH ROAD TO FOUR HUNDRED . . . CB: RIGHT. SG: AND PUT YOU DOWN ON HIGHWAY NINE (UI) (UI) DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO . . . CB: HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST, SHOAL CREEK. SG: SO . . . (UI, NOISE) SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER? CB: HUH? SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER? CB: YEAH. (NOISE) CB: THEY'LL FOLLOW US. SS: FOLLOW US? CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SS: IS THAT OKAY? CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE. SS: OKAY. (DOOR CLOSES, START VEHICLE, TRAVELING) GMH: YOU NEED ANYTHING TO EAT? NS: UH, I HAD A GOOD LUNCH AND I HAD UH, A COUPLE OF (UI) GMH: OKAY. NS: I'M ALRIGHT. UM: (UI) (UI) GMH: (UI) LOW BLOOD SUGAR. I'VE GOT TO KEEP YOU ALERT NOW. CB: SHERIFF, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE UH, TO TAKE YOUR POLICE RADIO DOWN JUST A NOTCH, OR OFF, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO HIM (UI) ON THE WAY DOWN THERE. SS: TURN 'ER OFF. CB: ALRIGHT. MR. HILTON, UH, BASICALLY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ASPECTS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY? (UI) YOU KNOW WHERE HIGHWAY NINE IS, DAWSON FOREST, AND ALL THAT STUFF? (UI) UH, TELL ME WHAT'S THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THERE. I MEAN, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR AT IT AS CAGLE WAS. GMH: WELL, WE WANT TO GET TO GEORGIA FOUR HUNDRED AND DAWSON FOREST ROAD, IT'S UH . . . CB: UH, TAKE A LEFT, GO DOWN TO UH, WHAT IS THAT . . . (UI) FOUR HUNDRED. YOU KNOW WHICH WAY TO FOUR HUNDRED FROM HERE, DON'T YOU SHERIFF? SS: YEAH, I DO. CB: HUH? SS: IF YOU WANT TO TAKE FOUR HUNDRED THEN (UI) GMH: (UI) WITH A CIGARETTE (UI) UM: (UI) GMH: CUT LOOSE WITH A CIGARETTE SHERIFF, IF YOU GOT ANY (UI) CB: WHAT WE MIGHT DO IS WHEN WE GET DOWN THIS WAY WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU OUT OF THE VEHICLE AND LET YOU SMOKE ONE IF THAT'S OKAY. GMH: OKAY. CB: I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEY WANTS YOU TO SMOKE IN BETWEEN US, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT A SMOKER MYSELF . . . GMH: YEAH, FORGET IT. . . . I, I DON'T HAVE ANY (UI) GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. WELL WE, WE, WE'LL CERTAINLY TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT, WITH THAT. BUT BASICALLY UH, DID YOU KNOW MEREDITH EMERSON BEFORE . . . GMH: NO. CB: . . . THE OTHER DAY? (PAUSE) WHEN DID YOU UH, COME TO THE, HERBERT REECE TRAIL UP THERE? WHAT DAY DID YOU ARRIVE UP THERE? GMH: PROBABLY ABOUT UH, TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE. CB: TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE? GMH: UH HUH. OR IT WAS (UI) YOU KNOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT DATE . . . CB: SO IT WAS PROBABLY DECEMBER TWENTY-EIGHTH . . . GMH: I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DATE . . . CB: SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE . . . GMH: (UI) THE UH, THIS THING OCCURRED. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. GMH: I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OR, OH, IT WAS THE FIRST. NOW I KNOW. I, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS NEW YEAR'S OR (UI) . . . OKAY. IT WAS TWO OR THREE DAYS. CB: OKAY. TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE. GMH: UH HUH. CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU CAMP SPECIFICALLY AT THAT LOCATION, OR . .. GMH: UH, YEAH, I DID STAY IN MY VEHICLE THERE. OF COURSE THERE'S NO CAMPING ALLOWED IN THE PARKING LOT THERE. UH, HOWEVER, BY BEING DISCREET . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: OFF LOADING A LITTLE OUT OF THE VAN I WAS ABLE TO STAY IN THE VAN IN THE PARKING LOT AND UH, IN THE PARKING LOT. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND AT WHAT TIME, OR WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME AWARE OF HER? WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE HER? GMH: UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN. AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE HERBERT UH, REESE CONNECTOR TRAIL AND THE A.T. (APPALACHIAN TRAIL) AT THAT INTERSECTION. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THAT, UH, HOW DID YOU START UP A CONVERSATION WITH HER (UI) GMH: UH, DOGS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE DOGS UH, DOGS ARE GONNA MEET AND I, ANYTIME I ENCOUNTER SOMEONE WITH A, A LOOSE DOG SPECIFICALLY, WHICH BOTH OF OURS WERE, A LARGER DOG, I IMMEDIATELY DETERMINE THE SEX OF THE DOG BECAUSE I HAVE A MALE AND I, I DON'T ALLOW MY DOG TO MEET ADULT MALES . . . CB: SO YOU ASKED, YOU ASKED HER WHAT SEX HER DOG WAS? GMH: OR, YEAH, THAT KIND OF THING. AND SHE STOPPED AT THAT LOCATION TO EAT AND UH, EAT SOME TRAIL MIX AND TO GIVE HER, GIVE HER DOG WATER. CB: OKAY, OKAY, AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DOG? GMH: THEN UH, WE BOTH STARTED UP. CB: STARTED UP? GMH: (UI) A.T., YEAH . . . CB: TOWARDS THE SUMMIT? GMH: A.T. . . . CB: UP THAT WAY? GMH: A.T. WESTBOUND. THE A.T. IS YEAH, WESTBOUND, UP HILL. IT WAS WESTBOUND UP HILL TOWARDS THE SUMMIT. CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU HIKE TOGETHER? GMH: FOR A DISTANCE AND UH, THEN SHE UH, I WAS, I'M SICK WITH MY (UI) AND I, I DID NOT EVEN REALLY ATTEMPT TO STAY UP WITH HER REALLY. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO SHE WENT ON AHEAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: I, THEN I TOLD HER UH, YOU KNOW, WE CHIT CHATTED ABOUT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHATEVER (UI) YOU KNOW (UI) DURING THE TIME WE WERE TOGETHER. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT SOMETHING OR THE OTHER AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 'CAUSE YOU, ANYTIME YOU WALK UP, THAT'S THE MOST HEAVILY USED STATE HIKING TRAIL IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA BY THE WAY IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE, IT'S FULL OF DOGS. SO YOU TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. AS, AS YOU WELL KNOW I WAS SEEN WITH HER.CB: RIGHT. GMH: (UI) SO WE TALKED AND THEN UH, SHE WAS MOVING ON AHEAD. SHE WAS CARRYING NOTHING UH, TO SPEAK OF, EXCEPT A FANNY PACK. NOT ENOUGH TO BE HIKING UP THERE, BUT NO ONE IS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: NO ONE IS ON, ON THAT TRAIL IS, IS EQUIPPED TO BE UP THERE. ON THE MOUNTAIN. ESPECIALLY IN THAT KIND OF WEATHER. NOBODY IS. EXCEPT ME. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I CARRY ABOUT TWENTY POUNDS PHYSICALLY BECAUSE, FOR THAT KIND OF HIKE. (UI) DAYLIGHT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: (UI) SO. SHE OUT DISTANCED ME AND I SAID I'LL LET YOU GO ON AHEAD (UI) CB: DID YOU UH . . . DID YOU FORM AN OPINION AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU FORM AN IDEA AT THAT POINT THAT YOU WANTED TO ABDUCT HER AT THAT POINT? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: THIS WAS DRIVEN REALLY BY NOTHING BUT THE WELL, THE DESIRE TO OBTAIN HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER. CB: THAT WAS THE SOLE PURPOSE YOU WANTED HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER? GMH: YEAH, AND YEAH, AND UH, RATHER THAN PICK A GUY WHO WOULD, OR A COUPLE, UH, WITH A GUY WHO, WHO MIGHT REALLY FIGHT, YOU KNOW . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: BECAUSE IF YOU WANT A CARD AND PIN NUMBER AND THE GUY FIGHTS YOU AND YOU GOTTA KILL HIM, WELL WHERE ARE YOU AT? CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO I FELT IT WOULD BE, I KNEW IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ESTABLISH CONTROL OVER A, A, A FEMALE, ANY FEMALE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . THAN IT WOULD A MALE. NOT THAT I COULDN'T WHOOP A MALE, BUT ONCE YOU WHIP 'EM, UH, IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT BE LEFT HOLDING IT IN THE BAG. SO TO SPEAK. CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. ALRIGHT UH . . .(PAUSE, NOISE) . . . OKAY, WHEN, WHEN DID YOU COME BACK IN CONTACT WITH HER AFTER SHE LEFT YOU ON A.T.? GMH: ON HER RETURN TRIP DOWN. I WAS STILL MORE OR LESS ON THE WAY UP. CB: OKAY. WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: WALKED UP, WALKED ALONG WITH HER. CB: OKAY. DID YOU GUYS TALK? GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. CB: WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT? GMH: WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY I WALKED ALONG WITH HER. WE WERE JUST IN LOOSE CONTACT ON THE TRAIL. SHE WAS AHEAD OF ME A GOOD BIT OF COURSE IT'S A SINGLE TRACK TRAIL ANYWAY . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU CAN'T WALK ABREAST ANYWAY. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND SO, SO, YOU KNOW. I WOULD BE IN PROXIMITY TO HER SOMETIMES AND SOMETIMES SHE WOULD BE AHEAD OF ME. AGAIN, IT WAS, WE TALKED OF NOTHING . . . I, I, I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU I UH (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW, NOTHING OF, YOU KNOW, JUST, I DON'T KNOW, UH . . . I, I, I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DAY AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AVOIDING, EVADING, I, I, I, YOU KNOW . . . CB: NO, HER SPECIFICALLY, YOU, YOU, YOU HAD DECIDED TO ABDUCT HER WHEN YOU MET HER ON THE TRAIL (UI) GMH: WELL, I SHOULD SAY POTENTIALLY. CB: SHE WAS A, SHE WAS A GOOD POTENTIAL PERSON TO GET GMH: POTENTIALLY. CB: . . . HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER? GMH: YEAH. YEAH. IF NOTHING ELSE BETTER CAME ALONG. CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. GMH: IF ANYTHING BETTER CAME ALONG, UH POTENTIALLY…CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . HOW DID YOU UH, OR, OR BASICALLY Y'ALL TURNED BACK DOWN THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL . . . GMH: HERBERT REESE TRAIL. CB: OKAY. GMH: THE ACT OCCURRED, THE DEMAND OCCURRED UH, AT THE POINT WHERE THE UH, WATER BOTTLES AND BATON WERE FOUND AND LEASH AND DOG TREATS. CB: OKAY. GMH: THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE DEMAND OCCURRED. CB: OKAY. AND BY DEM, BY DEMAND, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, WHAT, WHAT . . . GMH: GIVE ME YOUR CREDIT CARDS AND PIN NUMBER. CB: OKAY. (NOISE) CB: UH . . .ALRIGHT. AND, AND WHEN YOU DID THAT, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, DID YOU PRODUCE THE BATON . . . GMH: NO. CB: . . . OR WHAT, WHAT DID YOU PRODUCE? GMH: A KNIFE, A BAYONET. THE BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE. I, I LOST CONTROL AND THOUGHT SHE FOUGHT. AND UH, AS I READ IN THE PAPER SHE'S A MARTIAL ARTIST. CB: HOW DID, HOW DID . . . GMH: I READ IN THE PAPER SHE PRACTICED MARTIAL ARTS. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, AND SHE FOUGHT, AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE BLADE AND SLIGHTLY, VERY SLIGHTLY CUT HER HAND ON THE WEBBING BETWEEN HER THUMB AND FINGER . . . I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT TILL LATER ON AND I SAID WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CUT AT. SHE SAID WHEN I GRABBED THE KNIFE. AND UH, BUT SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE AND FOUGHT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEN I PRODUCED THE BATON. AND SHE FOUGHT THAT AND I LOST CONTROL OF THE BATON. AND I'M GOOD, TOO. THIS GIRL, WHO WAS, I THINK IT WAS YOU PROBABLY, OR ONE OF THE GBI'S SAID THAT LITTLE HUNDRED AND TWENTY POUND GIRL (UI) WHIP YOUR ASS, SO SHE ABOUT DID. SO I PRODUCED THE BATON, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAYONET, UH, I PRODUCED THE BATON, GRABBED THE BAT, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: WE STEPPED OFF THE TRAIL, WHICH IS CUT DEEPLY INTO THE SLOPE, UH, AND WE STEPPED OFF DOWN THE SLOPE AND TUMBLED DOWN THE SLOPE. SO IT WAS ALL DOWN. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND AT THAT TIME I DROPPED BOTH UH, THE BAT AND THE KNIFE. CB: OKAY. NOW YOU REGAINED CONTROL OF THE KNIFE OR WHEN SHE GRABBED IT, OR . . . GMH: DIDN'T I SAY LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE? ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HANDS ON IT (UI) CB: OKAY. SO YOU WENT FOR THE BATON AND (UI) GMH: YEAH. ONCE, ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HAND ON YOUR WEAPON YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU, YOU MAY REGAIN IT, BUT . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOUR TASK IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BATON, IS, IS NOT TO LET YOUR OPPONENT GET HOLD OF IT. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I DROPPED BOTH OF 'EM WHEN WE STUMBLED DOWN. THE TRAIL SWITCHED BACK AT THAT POINT SO WE TUMBLED DOWN HILL AND WE LANDED ON THE TRAIL DOWN HILL WHERE IT HAD SWITCHED BACK. AND (UI) CB: ALRIGHT. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED? GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS HAND, I PROBABLY HAVE MULTIPLE FRACTURES IN MY RIGHT HAND. CB: OKAY. GMH: I WAS NOT IN PAIN AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE MISPLACED. CB: OKAY. GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER AND I STILL COULDN'T GET CONTROL OF HER. SHE WOULD UH, FEIGN OR PRETEND THAT I WAS IN CONTROL AND THEN START FIGHTING AGAIN. SO I HAD TO, I HAD TO HIT HER A NUMBER OF TIMES. UH . . . CB: DID YOU HIT HER EVERY TIME WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND, OR . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: STRAIGHT IN, STRAIGHT IN PUNCHES. CB: THE FACE, OR . . . GMH: YEAH. OR, OR THE HEAD, OR THE HEAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: AS TO WHAT EXTENT SHE WAS INJURED, UH, THERE HER TWO EYES WERE SOMEWHAT BLACKENED. UH, SHE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. I, I CHECKED WITH HER A NUMBER OF TIMES AND SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN UH, AFTERWARDS SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN A HEADACHE. UH, I OFFERED HER, AND GAVE HER UH, ASPIRIN. THAT'S WAS AFTERWARDS. SO I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, I, … CB: ALRIGHT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. (NOISE) CB: OKAY. ONCE YOU HIT HER IN THE HEAD AND THE, AND THE FACE, HOW, HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT HAPPENED? GMH: REALLY HARD TO SAY. SHE WOULDN'T STOP, SHE WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T STOP FIGHTING, THEN SHE WOULD STOP, AND SHE'D START FIGHTING AGAIN. AND YELLING. UH, AT THE SAME TIME. UH, SO I, I NEEDED TO BOTH CONTROL HER AND SILENCE HER. CB: OKAY. UH, AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT CONTROL? (COUGH) GMH: WELL, UH . . . CB: OR HOW (UI) GMH: . . . I, I ONLY MOMENTARILY . . . CB: (UI) GMH: OKAY. WELL, I GOT HER TO STOP FIGHTING AND STOP YELLING. I SAID ALL I WANT IS YOUR CREDIT CARD AND PIN NUMBER MOVE OFF THE TRAIL. AND THERE WAS A CONTOUR LINE TRAIL THAT WENT OFF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. IN OTHER WORDS A CLOSED TRAIL. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THAT, THAT WAS CONTOURED AROUND OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. AND I SAID MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AND SHE STARTED MOVING AND THEN SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND WE TUMBLED OFF THAT TRAIL, DOWNHILL. BE ABLE TO FIND THE MARKS OF THAT WHERE WE TUMBLED OFF. IT'S NOT ON, ON THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL BUT IT IS A CLOSED TRAIL AND IT'S AT THAT SWITCH BACK WHERE WE FELL, THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL SWITCHES BACK . . . CB: RIGHT. I'M FAMILIAR. GMH: . . . AND UH, AND THIS IS THE, WELL, AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE BAT WAS FOUND. I, I, I (UI) SO . . . CB: YEAH. GMH: IT JUST CONTOURS AROUND OUT OF SIGHT. CB: BY BAT YOU MEAN BATON. GMH: BATON. RIGHT. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN. WE BOTH TUMBLED OFF THE TRAIL AND I HAD TO STRIKE HER SEVERAL MORE TIMES . . . CB: OKAY. (PAUSE) OKAY. GMH: SO I GOT CONTROL OF HER AGAIN. QUIETED HER DOWN. GOT CONTROL OF HER, KEPT HER MOVING DOWN THAT CLOSED TRAIL, AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN SO TO SPEAK. WE'RE MOVING IN A MORE OR LESS NORTHWESTERN DIRECTION. AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL, AND AT THAT POINT I PRODUCED A UH, A UH, IT'S LIKE A UH, DUCK TIE. OH, IT'S LIKE UH, HANDCUFFS THAT POLICE USE . . . CB: ZIP TIE? GMH: ZIP TIE, YEAH. CB: YEAH. GMH: EXCEPT THESE ARE JUST COMMERCIAL ZIP TIES, EIGHTEEN INCH ZIP TIES. CB: YOU REMEMBER WHAT COLOR THEY WERE? GMH: YEAH, BLACK. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT (UI) OH, YOU NEED TO GET (UI) THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS . . . I, I, I UH . . . CB: DID YOU HAVE A RUBBER BAND AROUND 'EM? GMH: YEAH. CB: WE DID FIND ONE. GMH: YEAH, I HAD A . . . OH, YOU DID? SO I ZIP TIED HER TO A TREE AND I UH, KNEW THAT I HAD TO GO AND CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. 'CAUSE I, I WAS AWARE THAT I HAD DROPPED ALL THAT STUFF, HER STUFF . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO I HAD TO GO BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. I TOLD HER TO BE QUIET AND STAY . . . CB: OKAY.. GMH: AND WENT BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE BUT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND. CB: AND BY THAT TIME IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND? GMH: SEE I HAD SAW THE THREE, OUT THERE WITH THREE HIKERS THAT HAD FOUND THE THINGS. THEY WERE NO LONGER THERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEY WERE HEADED DOWN THE SLOPE, THEY WERE LOOK . . . CB: WERE YOU CROUCHING BEHIND A ROCK AT THAT POINT? LOOKING AT THEM? GMH: UH, I (UI) BEGAN LOOKING AT THEM AND THEN I LAID DOWN FLAT IN THE TRAIL ABOVE THEM. CB: UH HUH. GMH: BECAUSE THERE IS A TRAIL THAT (UI) INTO A SLOPE AND SOMEONE BELOW . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . IF YOU LAID IN THE FLAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE (UI) . . . CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH. GMH: OR INSULATED . . .SO TO SPEAK. UH, AND UH, I LAID DOWN IN THE TRAIL. AND THE STUFF WAS GONE. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? GMH: WENT BACK TO HER AND UH, CUT HER LOOSE. AND UH, SHE WAS NOT TIED AT ALL EXCEPT I, I PUT A LOOP AROUND HER NECK. CB: UH, WHAT KIND OF LOOP? GMH: UH, JUST A NYLON CORD, UH, THREE HUNDRED POUND TEST, JUST, IT WASN'T EVEN TIED. IT WAS LIKE A, A LOOP SLIP KNOT IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU TIE A LITTLE (UI) CB: NOT TIED. A SLIP KNOT. RIGHT? GMH: YEAH. AND UH, I TOLD HER THAT WE WERE MOVING DOWN HILL TO THE PARKING LOT. AND I WENT TO THE PARK, WE WENT TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT BY CROSS COUNTRY. CB: I GOT YOU. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. AT THIS POINT WAS HER HANDS FREE? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. DIDN'T HAVE THOSE ZIP TIED? GMH: NO. CB: JUST HAD THE LOOP, NOOSE, NOOSE AROUND HER NECK? GMH: YES, AND I TOLD HER I HAD A PISTOL, WHICH I DIDN'T HAVE A FIREARM. CB: OKAY. GMH: (UI) FIREARM. AND UH, AND I (UI) HER . . . BY, BY NOW SHE, I, NOW, NOW, BY THAT TIME, FROM THAT TIME ON . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE WAS COMPLIANT. TOTALLY COMPLIANT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER BEHAVIOR, OF HER UH, CONDITION AND UH, OF HER COMFORT FROM THEN ON ALSO. (PAUSE) MY INTENT WAS NOT TORTURE. CB: OKAY, WELL . . . GMH: YOU KNOW, I . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. CB: YEAH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH . . . LET ME UH . . . GMH: I UNDERSTOOD THE SITUATION. CB: LET ME UH, STOP YOU FOR JUST A MINUTE. BECAUSE ME WRITING AND LOOKING DOWN AND GOING DOWN THAT MOUNTAIN, I, I'M GOING TO GET DIZZY. GMH: I THINK HE CAN DRIVE O.K. CB: (LAUGHS) (UI) GMH: WE CAN TAKE A BREAK IF YOU WANT. SS: YOU WANT ME TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT? CB: NO, NO, KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. LET'S JUST TAKE A LITTLE BREAK TILL WE GET ON STRAIGHTER GROUND . . . ARE YOU WARM ENOUGH? GMH: YES, THANK YOU. CB: ARE YOU GUYS GETTING WARM, OR . . . (UI, NOISE) (PAUSE) GMH: WHAT ARE THESE MARKERS FOR? ARE THEY FOR SPEED DETERMINATION OUT HERE ON THE UH, ROAD? CB: UH . . . GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, THESE CALIBRATIONS ON THE ROAD. I'M SEEING THEM NOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE. ARE THEY FOR UH, DETERMINING SPEED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT? CB: I DON'T KNOW. GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THEY PUT A STOP WATCH ON IT AND, I DON'T, I'M SEEING 'EM ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THAT'S THE ONLY . . . TD: THOSE LITTLE WHITE ONES? GMH: YEAH, THEY'RE LIKE UH, RULER CALIBRATIONS. TD: NO, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, WHEN YOU APPROACH ON A TURN. . . GMH: OH . . . TD: THEY SIGNIFY TWENTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR . . . GMH: OH, I SEE. TD: IT, IT'LL ILLUMINATE AT NIGHT. GMH: I, I SEE. SEE, THAT'S HE'S AN INVESTIGATOR. (LAUGHS) CB: ALRIGHT. SO, SHE WAS COMPLIANT AND, AND YOU MADE IT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT. GMH: PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT. CB: OKAY. GMH: PROXIMITY. MATTER OF FACT (UI) BECAUSE YOU CAN CAMP LEGALLY TWO HUNDRED FEET OUTSIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT CAMPING IS LEGAL. SO I, I KNEW, IT'S A LEVEL SPOT THAT I KNEW WAS SLIGHTLY OVER TWO HUNDRED FEET. CB: OKAY. UH, AND, AND WHAT DID YOU UH, WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? SORTA . . . GMH: THEN I SECURED HER TO A TREE. CB: SECURED HER TO ANOTHER TREE? GMH: YEAH. THIS WOULD HAVE EITHER BEEN WITH ANOTHER TWIST TIE OR JUST WITH A NYLON TWINE. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST UH, YOU KNOW, QUAD, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED UH, AROUND HER NECK AND QUADRUPLE (UI) KNOTTED AROUND THE TREE. UH, SHE WAS LOOSE IN OTHER WORDS. SO THAT IT COULD NOT BE READILY UNTIED. IN OTHER WORDS YOU'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE SQUARE KNOTS. YOU JUST CAN'T REACH UP AND UNTIE 'EM. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU GOTTA . . . CB: ALRIGHT. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? WHAT (UI) GMH: WELL I TOLD HER I, I, I TOLD HER UH, WELL, I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO GET HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER OUT OF THE CAR. WHICH WAS IN HER PURSE. CB: OKAY. GMH: UNDER THE SEAT. AND I TOLD HER . . . CB: (UI) LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP. DID SHE TELL YOU WHERE HER PURSE AND PIN, UH, CARDS WERE? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. HOW DID SHE DO THAT? I MEAN, DID YOU ASK HER . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: . . . .ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING (UI) GMH: YEAH. I TOLD HER FROM THE BEGINNING (UI) CB: SO WHAT DID SHE SAY? UH, AT WHAT POINT DID SHE TELL YOU OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE IT? ONCE SHE WAS COMPLIANT? GMH: YEAH. ONCE I GOT HER BACK AROUND THERE, YEAH, ONCE SHE BECAME COMPLIANT. CB: OKAY. UH, AND SHE TOLD YOU WHERE HER CARDS WERE AT THAT POINT OR . . . GMH: YEAH. SHE TOLD ME INCORRECTLY, BUT IT WAS JUST UNDER THE WRONG SEAT . . . SHE SAID UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY UNDER THE PASSENGER SEAT. CB: OKAY. OKAY. UH . . . AND DID YOU TELL HER YOU WERE GONNA GO DOWN AND COLLECT THOSE (UI) AND WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: I TOLD HER WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT (UI) I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE. I (UI) I, I FELT THAT UH, IT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE UH, PEOPLE THAT FOUND THE EQUIPMENT THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT, IF THEY HAD HEARD HER YELLING. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND VOICES CARRY WHAT SOUNDS CARRY FOREVER UP THERE. IN THE WINTER TIME AND COLD AIR THEY CARRY FOREVER. SO I FELT THAT THERE WAS A VERY GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT UH, THE LAW WOULD BE THERE BY THE TIME WE GOT THERE, 'CAUSE IT TOOK US PROBABLY TWENTY MINUTES TO GO CROSS COUNTRY AND ALL . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: HAD TO TAKE THE SECUREST, SECURIST OF ROUTES UH, YOU KNOW, (UI) CROSS COUNTRY (UI) WORK OUR WAY DOWN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND SO IT TOOK, YOU KNOW, SO I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: (UI) CB: RIGHT. GMH: BY THEN UH, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD. CB: OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND (UI) . . . (ANSWERS CELL PHONE, NON-PERTINENT) OKAY. UH . . . GMH: SO BY, SO BY THEN WE WERE BOTH GETTING COLD. IT'S LATE IN THE DAY, IT'S UH, FOR WINTER TIME. CB: HOW, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU WAITED TO SEE IF THE LAW WAS COMING? GMH: TIL UH . . . WHAT TIME IS SUNSET NOW? CB: FIVE THIRTY. GMH: (UI) I THINK IT'S FIVE NOW, ABOUT LIKE (UI) CB: WELL, ACTUAL SUNSET IS PROBABLY AROUND . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: FIVE FIFTEEN, FIVE THIRTY. GMH: NO, NO, IT DOESN'T GET ANY, ANY, ANY UH, ANY SOONER THAN FIVE TWENTY FIVE (UI) ANYWAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY RIGHT BEFORE SUNSET. UH, STARTING TO ENTER DUSK. OKAY. CB: ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. SO IT'S . . . GMH: WHAT TIME IS IT? CB: IT'S FIVE FIFTY. (UI) ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: OH, SO WE'RE, YEAH. SO AS, AS YOU KNOW UH, IF YOU HAVE A CLEAR SKY, AND HIGH PRESSURE IN PLACE . . . SOON AS THE SUN GOES DOWN THE HEAT RADIATES RIGHT OUT AND THE TEMPERATURE DROPS LIKE A ROCK. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. IT'S, IT'S, SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD NOW. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO, I UH, HAD MY BACKPACK ON AND MY HIKING STUFF. AS I SAY, I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THAT MOUNTAIN EQUIPPED TO BE HIKING UP THERE. EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST TRUSTING THEIR LIFE TO THEIR FOOT WORK. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I'VE SEEN A GUY BREAK HIS LEG UP THERE AND I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO GET A PERSON OFF THAT MOUNTAIN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT TAKES AT LEAST FOUR HOURS, EVEN IF THE CALL GOES OUT ABOUT THE TIME THEY HIT THE GROUND. IT TAKES FOUR HOURS TO GET 'EM DOWN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I KNOW. 'CAUSE I'VE SAW IT HAPPEN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND UH, SO I WAS SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD. SO I TOOK MY PACK OFF AND GAVE HER A UH, A FLEECE PULLOVER, A RED FLEECE PULLOVER WHICH YOU PROBABLY FOUND. IT'S A COLUMBIA BRAND AND UH, THE MATERIAL IS CALLED OMNI TECH IT'S A COLUMBIA (UI) AND IT'S RED. AND IT'S LONG. (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I GAVE THAT TO HER. AND THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR MYSELF BUT I, I HAD ON A, A YELLOW (UI) JACKET (UI) BUT SHE, I HAVE TWO OF THAT DAY. SO YOU'LL ALSO FIND IN MY STUFF A (UI) YELLOW JACKET (UI) HOODLESS, HOODLESS GORTEX JACKETS AND I PUT ON A PAIR OF UH, GORTEX PANTS. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I HAD NOTHING FOR MY CHEST (UI) AND I ALSO PULLED OUT A UH (UI) THAT I USED AS A EMERGENCY SHELTER, UH (UI) AND I PULLED OUT A (UI) THAT I USED AS AN EMERGENCY SHELTER AND WRAPPED THAT AROUND HER ALSO. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEN I WENT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT, LEFT HER TIED TO THAT TREE (UI) CB: AT THAT POINT YOU LEFT HER AGAIN? GMH: LEFT HER AGAIN CB: AND THIS WAS APPROXIMATELY GETTING DARK? GMH: YEAH (UI) CB: GETTING DARK? OR AFTER DARK? AND WHERE DID YOU GO? GMH: OH, I WENT DOWN AND UH, OPENED HER CAR, OPENED HER VAN . . . OH, AND I MOVED MY VAN NEXT TO HER CAR. CB: DID SHE TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HER VEHICLE WAS? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I GOT MY VAN AND MOVED IT NEXT TO HER CAR. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, I LOOKED FOR THE PURSE UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT, IT WASN'T THERE. THEN I WALKED UP, UNSECURED HER, WALKED HER DOWN, I HAD MY VAN OPEN … THE SIDE DOOR. AND UH, IT WAS NEXT TO HER CAR. SO I WALKED HER UP NEXT TO HER CAR. AGAIN, HER DOG WAS WITH HER. HER DOG WAS WITH HER. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO I WALKED HER UP UH, NEXT TO HER CAR . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OPENED THE SIDE DOOR OF MY VAN AND PUT HER IN MY VAN. AND, AND, THEN TOOK A UH, A CHAIN . . .PUT HER IN MY VAN AND LAID HER DOWN, THERE IS A SLIDING SIDE DOOR ON THE LEFT. OPENED THAT SLIDING DOOR, I HAD A CARGO BAGS THERE. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN ON THE CARGO BAGS. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, I HAD TWO LENGTHS OF CHAIN PADLOCKED TO THE SEAT MOUNTING, THE FRONT SEAT MOUNTING, ONE CHAIN PADLOCKED, ANOTHER (UI) SEAT (UI) CB: UH HUH. GMH: (UI) THE SEAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE CAR. THE SHORTEST ONE WAS FOUR OR FIVE FEET LONG. THE OTHER WAS ABOUT NINE FEET LONG. IT WAS LINK CHAIN. CB: YOU HAD IT AFFIXED TO YOUR FRAME? GMH: YEAH. AFFIXED TO THE SEAT. UH, IT UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE YOUR SEAT ATTACHES TO THE CAR. IT'S QUITE SECURE IN CASE YOU GET HIT. YOU KNOW IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU REACH UNDER THE SEAT . . . CB: WHAT WAS . . . GMH: THE OTHER . . . CB: . . . WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAIN ITSELF? I MEAN, YOU HAD IT ALREADY ATTACHED TO YOUR (UI) GMH: YEAH. IT WAS ALREADY ATTACHED. ONE WAS ATTACHED THERE AND ONE WAS ATTACHED HERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: YEAH, THEY WERE ATTACHED BY BEING PADLOCKED. CB: OKAY. GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THE CHAINS, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS BROUGHT UNDER THE SEAT, SECURED, AND PADLOCKED. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND THE OTHER END WAS LOOSE. AND DITTO WITH THAT. CB: AND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT? GMH: TO SECURE HER . . . OH, NO, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO UH, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO, IF I WAS CARRYING EXPENSIVE EQUIP, LIKE A GENERATOR OR SOMETHING IN THE VAN, I WOULD CHAIN THE GENERATOR IN THE VAN IN CASE SOMEONE SAW THE GENERATOR TO BREAK IN, SOMEONE WILL BREAK IN TO STEAL A 3 ½ KW GENERATOR. CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . IF THEY SEE IT SITTING IN A VAN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THEY'LL JUST BREAK IN YOUR VAN JUST TO GET THAT. CB: DID YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THE CHAIN TO PUT IT ON HER OR . . . GMH: NO, I, NO, THAT END, I HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS. CB: UH HUH. GMH: HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS. SO I HAD ANOTHER, I HAD TWO OTHER PADLOCKS. SO I HAD A LOT OF PADLOCKS. A NUMBER OF PADLOCKS. AND UH, SO, BOTH OF THOSE ENDS WERE, BOTH OF THOSE CHAINS WERE PADLOCKED BY ONE END TO THE SEAT MOUNT. ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT, IF A PERSON WAS LAYING THIS WAY, FEET THERE, HEAD THERE, ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE FEET AND ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE VICINITY OF THE HEAD. CB: OKAY, SO YOU CHAINED ONE CHAIN TO HER GMH: SO UH . . . CB: HOW DID YOU CHAIN HER? GMH: IN ABOUT, THE SHORTEST CHAIN WAS ABOUT UH, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, SIX FEET LONG. THE LONGEST ONE WAS TWELVE FEET, I BELIEVE. SO I JUST TOOK SIMPLY ONE END AND THEN UH, IT WASN'T TIGHTLY. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS PADLOCKED ALREADY TO THE SEAT. SO I TOOK THE OTHER AND, I DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END (UI) YOU KNOW, BUT (UI) I KNOW, FOUR, FIVE, SIX (UI) OTHER. PUT IT AROUND HER SO IT WAS TIGHT ENOUGH SO SHE COULDN'T GET IT OVER HER HEAD . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND PADLOCKED THAT. I DIDN'T SECURE HER FEET OR HER HANDS. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WHAT DID SHE SAY TO YOU? DID SHE SAY ANYTHING AT THAT POINT? GMH: SHE SAID UH, THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VAN. NOT, OR IN THE, I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H. AND THEN I DETERMINED FROM WHERE HER, HER PURSE WAS AND IT WAS UNDER THE PASSENGER NOT UNDER THE DRIVER. CB: DID YOU HAVE TO FORCE HER INTO THE VAN OR . . . DID SHE COOPERATE? GMH: NO, SHE PROTESTED BUT . . . NO, NO I MEAN, SHE WAS COMPLIANT. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HIT HER, NO PHYSICAL FORCE OF ANY KIND AFTER THAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AFTER THAT UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN. CB: OH, OKAY. SO SHE PROTESTED AND SAID . . . GMH: THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VEHICLE. I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H. CB: AND SHE WENT IN? O.K. BUT SHE DIDN'T GET PHYSICAL? GMH: NEVER AGAIN. NEVER . . .NOTHING. CB: NO? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .SO YOU PUT A PIECE OF CHAIN AROUND HER NECK . . . GMH: THAT CHAIN THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT. CB: DRIVER'S SIDE? GMH: YEAH, THE DRIVER'S SIDE (UI) IT DIDN'T HAVE HER CINCHED DOWN TIGHT. IT JUST . . . CB: THAT DON'T BOTHER YOU SHERIFF? OKAY. SS: NO GMH: NO, NO, SHE, SHE WAS NOT . . . AS A MATTER OF FACT UH, YOU KNOW, SHE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRABBED SOMETHING, SMACKED ME UP THE SIDE OF THE HEAD WHILE I WAS DRIVING. YOU KNOW. I SAID I, I (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YEAH, SHE COULD HAVE REACHED AROUND AND GOT A, STRANGLE HOLD OR ANYTHING ELSE WHILE I WAS DRIVING IT WAS JUST TO KEEP FROM JUMPING UP AND JUMPING OUT. AND I ALSO PUT THE CHILD PROOF LATCH ON THE SLIDING DOOR SO IT COULD NOT BE OPENED FROM THE INSIDE. CB: THE, THE CHAIN THAT'S ON THE PASSENGER SEAT, WHAT DID YOU DO, PUT IT AROUND HER LEG GMH: NO, NO, I JUST. CB: JUST THE ONE ON HER NECK. OKAY. OKAY. AT THAT POINT YOU WENT AND GOT HER PURSE. GMH: WHICH WAS NEXT TO... CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. O.K. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: THEN UH, BY THEN, UH, OF COURSE HER DOG WAS A LITTLE LEERY OF ME. BY THEN. OF COURSE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: A, A LITTLE SKIDDISH OF ME. CB: UH HUH. GMH: TO SAY THE LEAST, AND UH, SO I GOT HER DOG TO JUMP IN HER CAR I TOLD HER AND UH, I UH, AND I, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER DOG, OF COURSE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, I SAID I PUT IT IN YOUR CAR SO IT WILL BE OKAY. PUT HER DOG IN HER CAR. CB: IN WHAT CAR. GMH: IN HER CAR. CB: OKAY. GMH: GOT THAT AND THEN LEFT AND HEADED 129 NORTH. CB: OKAY. GMH: TOWARDS BLAIRSVILLE CB: OKAY. GMH: AND GOT SEVERAL MILES AS WE WERE DRIVING (UI) SEVERAL MILES AWAY SHE STILL VOICING CONCERN ABOUT HER DOG. SO, PLUS, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT, I WANTED HER TO BE CALM AND, YOU KNOW (UI) I, I KNEW SHE WAS ANXIOUS ABOUT HER DOG. AND SHE WAS WONDERING ABOUT HER DOG, IF HER DOG WAS GOING TO BE OKAY. SO I SAID WELL. YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO GET YOUR DOG? SHE SAID YES. SO I TURNED AROUND. WENT BACK. AND GOT HER DOGCB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUICK QUESTION. DID SHE EVER GIVE YOU HER PIN NUMBER WHILE SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN, I MEAN, WHILE YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN? GMH: YEAH, YEAH. AFTER I GOT CONTROL OF HER AROUND THE SIDE SHE GAVE ME A PIN NUMBER. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS INCORRECT. CB: OKAY. AND WELL I'M ASKING . . . GMH: SHE NEVER GAVE ME A CORRECT NUMBER. CB: OKAY. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . . GMH: (UI) CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, HOW (UI) GMH: (UI) CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . . GMH: I'M SORRY IF MY BREATH IS BAD. I BEEN DRINKING COFFEE. CB: NO, THAT'S FINE. YOU UH, YOU HAD A PIN NUMBER? GMH: UH HUH. CB: AND YOU HAD HER CARDS? GMH: UH HUH. CB: BUT YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE HAD GIVEN YOU THE CORRECT PIN NUMBER OR YOU TOOK HER JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THE RIGHT PIN NUMBER. GMH: CORRECT. CB: OKAY. WOULD, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU HAD PLANNED TO DO ANYWAY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY OKAY. NEIL, EVERYTHING OKAY WITH YOU SO FAR? NS: (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. THERE WAS NEVER ANY PLAN TO LET HER GO. CB: OKAY. GMH: I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO I WOULD BE IDENTIFIED I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO (UI) IDENTIFY YOURSELF. I KNEW THAT SHE COULDN'T, COULDN'T BE LET GO. CB: OKAY. SO YOU . . . GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS DOOMED. CB: BY, BY SAYING, BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME THAT WHEN YOU FIRST MET HER AT THE A.T. AND REESE TRAIL . . . GMH: NO, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT. CB: OKAY. (NOISE) CB: ALRIGHT. UH . . . BUT ONCE YOU ABDUCTED HER THERE WAS NO CHANCE SHE WAS GONNA, SHE WAS GONNA GET OUT. CORRECT? GMH: I, I, I CAN'T, I, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT. CB: IS THAT ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL OR . . . NS: (UI) WELL YOU ALREADY TOLD HIM I THINK CB: RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S FINE. UH, SO WHAT, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO AFTER YOU CAME BACK AND GOT THE DOG? GMH: UH, BACK THE SAME DIRECTION. CB: OKAY. NORTH ON ONE TWENTY NINE. OKAY... AND WHERE'D YOU GO TO? GMH: BLAIRSVILLE. CB: WHAT'D YOU DO IN BLAIRSVILLE? GMH: WENT TO THE APPALACHIAN BANK. THE UH, APPALACHIAN MOUNTAIN BANK. IN UH, BLAIRSVILLE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: ATTEMPTED THE CARD. AND IT WAS THE WRONG CARD. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . AND THEY DIDN'T WORK? GMH: DIDN'T WORK. I PARKED ACROSS THE STREET. CB: HOW MANY CARDS DID YOU USE? GMH: UH, I HAD, I HAD A UH, I HAD THREE, BUT I'M REALLY NOT SURE. 'CAUSE SHE HAD ME RUN 'EM SO MANY TIMES THAT UH, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT SURE. I MEAN I RUN THEM IN BLAIRSVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO GAINESVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO CANTON . . . CB: WELL LET'S, LET'S . . . GMH: . . . AND TRIED MULTIPLE TIMES. CB: ALRIGHT. LET'S DO IT, LET'S DO IT STEP BY STEP, THOUGH. THIS TIME YOU, YOU HAD THREE CARDS. YOU ATTEMPTED 'EM IN THE APPALACHIAN BANK. GMH: I WON'T SAY I ATTEMPTED ALL OF 'EM. CB: OKAY. GMH: I, I WOULDN'T (UI) CB: BUT YOU WERE IN POSSESSION OF 'EM. GMH: YEAH. I'M IN POSSESSION OF THREE OF 'EM AND I PROBABLY TRIED A WACHOVIA DEBIT CARD, UH, WELL I KNOW I TRIED THAT FIRST, BUT IF I TRIED ANY OF THE OTHERS I, I'M NOT SURE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I'M NOT SURE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT I TRIED THE WACHOVIA. CB: AND YOU SAID YOU PARKED WHERE? GMH: TO THE, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW MY DIRECTIONS BUT IT WOULD BE UH, IF YOU'RE AT THE ATM, UH, IT'S THE ATM IS, IT'S A DRIVE-IN. AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ATM, I'M ACROSS THE STREET IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS. AND UH, LOOKING AT THE ATM FROM MY PARKED POSITION UH, TO THE LEFT AND BEYOND IS A WAFFLE HOUSE OR A HUDDLE HOUSE THERE. CB: OKAY. DID YOU ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL YOUR FACE IN ANY WAY WHILE YOU . . . GMH: YES, I DID CONCEAL MY FACE. CB: HOW DID YOU CONCEAL YOUR FACE? GMH: HELD A UH, UH, TOWEL OVER MY UH, FACE. CB: OKAY. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY TO NO AVAIL AT THAT LOCATION SO YOU LEFT AND . . . GMH: WELL, NO, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE DRAWN OUT THAN THAT. CB: OKAY. TELL ME ABOUT ALL THAT. GMH: CARD WOULDN'T WORK, IT WAS EITHER UH, INVALID OR UNAUTHORIZED. SO I CAME BACK, WENT BACK TO THE VAN. I SAID HONEY I'VE GOT (UI) AND UH, SHE'S DANCING AROUND WITH TWO MORE PIN NUMBERS. WELL I THINK I DID THIS OR I JUST CHANGED IT OVER AND I'M NOT SURE AND THIS AND THAT AND I CHANGED IT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. GO TRY IT AGAIN. IT'LL WORK. CB: UH HUH. GMH: THE FIRST NUMBER SHE GIVE ME. ANOTHER TWO NUMBERS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SHE GIVE ME A NUMBER. AND UH, TRIED IT AGAIN. MIGHT HAVE TRIED THE UH, UH, VISA CREDIT CARD TOO. I MAY HAVE. I MAY HAVE AND I MAY NOT HAVE. (UI) TRIED ANOTHER UH, NUMBER AND CAME BACK HON, NOT WORKING. YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST GIVE IT UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT (UI) SHE CONVINCES ME TO I THINK TRY THE THIRD AND MAYBE EVEN A FOURTH TIME. (UI) THE NUMBER (UI) CB: OKAY AND IT DIDN'T WORK? GMH: NONE OF IT WORKED. CB: OKAY. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: SO SHE'S STILL TELLING ME IT'S, IT'LL, IT'S GONNA WORK. IT'S GONNA WORK. MUST BE A WRONG BANK OR A, MAYBE A WACHOVIA. I'VE ONLY USED IT AT THIS AND THAT. JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. SHE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, SO I DETERMINED TO DRIVE SOMEWHERE AT, AT ANOTHER BANK. AT A WACHOVIA. SHE SAID SHE USED THAT OTHER (UI) AND UH . . . (UI). . CB: HOLD ON ONE SECOND. CB: UH, SO YOU LEFT AND WENT TO GAINESVILLE TO ATTEMPT IT AT. GMH: YEAH, SINCE I NEEDED A, A MET, A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA BECAUSE I'M WALKING UP TO ATM'S, WALKING LATER AT NIGHT WITH MY FACE COVERED . . . CB: UMM. GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU GOTTA BE KINDA CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT ATM YOU USE. IF ANYONE SEES YOU, OR ON A COLD NIGHT, LATE AT NIGHT, ON FOOT, AT A DRIVE-IN ATM, COVERING YOUR FACE, YOU KNOW, SOME POLICE OFFICER JUST PASSING BY . . . CB: UMM. GMH: YOU KNOW. SO I NEEDED A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA IN WHICH TO GET A, A BETTER LOCATION AND HAVE A SELECTION OF LOCATIONS. SO I DETERMINED THAT GAINESVILLE WAS THE PLACE. CB: YOU SAID A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA (UI) GMH: THAN BLAIRSVILLE. THAN BLAIRSVILLE. CB: I MEAN, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN BETTER TO HAVE BEEN IN THE DAYLIGHT AT, AT THAT TIME, OR . . . GMH: NO, IT HAS, THERE'S A WINDOW, THERE, YOU SEE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THE WINDOW IS BETWEEN DARK AND TOO, TOO LATE. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT BECOMES INAPPROPRIATE IF IT'S . . . CB: RIGHT. BUT IN THE DAYTIME WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY? GMH: NO, NO, NO (UI) CB: DEFINITELY NOT DAYTIME. GMH: NO. NO. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU WANT A TIME BETWEEN DARK AND TOO LATE, WHEN THE STREETS CLEAR OUT. CB: OKAY. GMH: ON A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: THE STREETS ARE GONNA CLEAR AND THEN ANY POLICE OFFICER PASSING BY, POLICE OFFICERS ARE INQUISITIVE AND CURIOUS BY NATURE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CURIOUS AS TO WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THE STREETS ARE EMPTY, WHY IS THIS GUY WALKING AROUND AT AN ATM HOLDING SOMETHING OVER HIS FACE? CB: OKAY. JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND IF YOU WILL. GMH: YEAH. CB: I'M JUST GONNA CHECK THIS VOICE MESSAGE. (PAUSE) CB: OKAY. GMH: SO GAINESVILLE WAS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE, BUT IT WAS, IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE AREA. METROPOLITAN AREA. SO, STILL ACTIVITY BY THE TIME I GOT THERE. WHICH IS NOT THAT LATE BUT SUCH A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT, YOU KNOW. IT'S EFFECTIVELY LATE, VERY EARLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST CLEAR OFF. IT'S COLD. WENT DOWN THERE AND GOT A WACHOVIA . . . CB: WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS IT NEEDS TO BE DARK BUT THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE AROUND AND DOING THINGS . . . GMH: RIGHT. CB: SO THAT YOU DON'T JUST SORTA STAND OUT THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STREET. GMH: EXACTLY. ANY, ANY POLICE OFFICER IS CURIOUS AND INQUISITIVE. INQUISITIVE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: IF HE'S ANY GOOD AT ALL HE'S CURIOUS AND ANYTIME HE SEES A PERSON, ANYTIME HE SEES ANYTHING THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . TO ANY SITUATION HE ASKS HIMSELF WHY. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: AND I UNDERSTAND (UI) HEY, ARE YOU A POLICE OFFICER? OH YEAH, RIGHT (UI) CB: (LAUGHS) GMH: I'M JUST KIDDING, A LITTLE LEVITY. CB: UM. OKAY. GMH: AND SHE, SO I FOUND THE ONE OFF OF UH, DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT I GUESS . . . UH, ONE OFF DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, I GUESS THAT IS THE MAIN DRAG IN GAINESVILLE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S HIGHWAY SIXTY. THERE'S A WACHOVIA BANK. IT'S NEAR TO A, SOME COLLEGE CAMPUS, UH, THAT'S UH . . . CB: IS IT A WACHOVIA BANK? GMH: YEAH. AND IT'S UH, HIGHWAY SIXTY, ABOUT DOWNTOWN OR IN THE CENTRAL CITY OF GAINESVILLE . . . IT WOULD BE TO THE NORTH SIDE UH, ON THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF, OF THAT STREET, WHICH I THINK IS SIXTY. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. EACH TIME I'D COME BACK AND UH, TELL HER IT WASN'T WORKING AND SHE WOULD CONVINCE ME TO GO BACK AND TRY AGAIN. CB: OKAY. GMH: AGAIN, UH, SHE WAS ONLY SECURED BY A LOOSE CHAIN . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: SHE, SHE WAS NOT, HER HANDS WEREN'T SECURE, BUT WE WERE IN A DARK PARKING LOT. I MEAN, JUST THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PARKED IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS WOULD . . . CB: THROW UP A FLAG . . . GMH: TO A POLICE OFFICER. CB: RIGHT. GMH: IT SHOULD. CB: UH HUH. GMH: HE'S DRIVING, HE KNOWS HIS BEAT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ON THAT BEAT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: OKAY. AND IF HE'S DRIVING BY A BUILDING THAT'S CLOSED, AND THE PARKING LOT'S EMPTY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A VAN IN THAT PARKING LOT, HE'S GONNA WONDER WHY. CB: RIGHT. GMH: HE'LL PROBABLY CHECK IT OUT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I COULD BE A BURGLAR. CB: RIGHT. GMH: BUT, HEY. SO I WAS. I WAS PARKED THERE A HALF, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY IN A CLOSED BUSINESS IN THE PARKING LOT. (UI) AND SHE WAS ALWAYS SECURED LOOSELY BY THE CHAIN SO THAT . . . CB: WHEN YOU SAY LOOSELY, COULD SHE HAVE SLIPPED IT OVER HER HEAD? GMH: NO, I MEAN, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY IS SHE WAS . . . CB: WASN'T CHOKING. GMH: NO, NO, I, JUST SECURE ENOUGH THAT SHE COULDN'T SLIP, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY, SHE HAD FREEDOM OF, OF MOVEMENT AROUND IN, IN THE VAN. CB: OH, AND HER DOG WAS WITH HER SO SHE, YOU THINK SHE FELT COMFORTABLE (UI) GMH: YEAH, YEAH. CB: (UI) GMH: NO, NO . . . CB: OR NOT MAKE ANY NOISE (UI) GMH: SHE WASN'T GOING NOWHERE AND I TOLD HER IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE IT WAS CURTAINS CB: OKAY, OKAY. AND, AND WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID, HOW DID YOU PUT THAT TO HER, IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE, WHAT DID YOU SAY. GMH: YOU GO MESSING AROUND I'LL SHOOT YOUR ASS. CB: OKAY. UH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE KEPT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IT WOULD WORK. THAT . . . GMH: OH, SHE DID CONVINCE ME. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SHE RAN ME BACK, I'D COME, I'D GO (LAUGHS) LIKE AN IDOT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: I MEAN, REALLY, YOU KNOW SOME, ETERNAL OPTIMIST. CB: UHH. GMH: I'D HAVE TO GO OUT OF THE VAN, WALK FOR A HUNDRED YARDS OR WHEREVER TO RUN IT, YOU KNOW, COME BACK. SHE'D GIVE ME SOME OTHER STORY . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW, OR ANOTHER CARD . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . YOU KNOW. I'VE GOT THREE OF THEM TO WORK WITH. CB: YEAH. GMH: (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REASON FOR ALL OF THIS WAS (LAUGHS ) . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: YOU KNOW, I TOLD HER LATER, I SAID HELL, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK YOU WHY. IT'S JUST THAT I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF YOU BEEN, RUNNING, DOING THIS FOR. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: AND SO I'D RUN IT, AND COME BACK, RUN, AND HON YOU KNOW AND TRY THIS AND THIS NUMBER AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND UH, I DID, BUT DIDN'T WORK. CB: OKAY. SO . . . GMH: COME BACK. HON. (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: WELL THEY SENT OUT (UI, LAUGHS) PROBABLY FOUR TIMES OR SO. CB: OKAY. GMH: MAYBE FIVE. SHE SENT ME WALKING BACK TO THAT THING, HOLDING A DAMN TOWEL IN FRONT OF ME. . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: BY NOW IT'S GETTING LATE. THE STREETS ARE FREAKING EMPTY AND AS, AS FAR AS PEDESTRIANS GO. BUT THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TRAFFIC. CB: RIGHT. GMH: NOW THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF MOTOR TRAFFIC BUT THE STREETS ARE EMPTY AND HUH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE SENT ME BACK TO THAT THING, MAN. CB: UMM. ALRIGHT, UH, YOU UH . . . YOU BASICALLY . . . YOU BASICALLY UH, TRIED IT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AND IT DIDN'T WORK. NOW HOW INJURED WAS SHE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I MEAN, WAS SHE . . . GMH: OH, I KEPT INQUIRING ABOUT IT, UH, NOT AT ALL CB: COULD YOU, COULD YOU VISUALLY SEE THAT SHE WAS . . . GMH: SHE HAD . . . CB: WAS SHE BLEEDING? GMH: NO, NO, SHE . . . NO, NEVER BLEEDING. SHE HAD JUST SLIGHTLY BLACKENED EYES . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND SLIGHT BRUISE ON HER NOSE. SHE MAY HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. UH, BUT, VISUALLY AND, AND FROM WHAT SHE TOLD ME, SHE JUST HAD A HEADACHE. YEAH. SO I, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. OH, AND I ASKED HER WHAT SHE WANTED . . . CB: WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU GIVE HER THE ASPIRIN? GMH: I GAVE HER ASPIRIN SEVERAL TIMES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FIRST TIME WAS . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I ASKED HER CONSTANTLY IF SHE WAS IN PAIN, UH, IF SHE HAD LOST CONSCIOUSNESS. I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD DOUBLE VISION I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD RINGING IN HER EARS AND I ASKED WHAT SHE WANTED AS FAR AS A PAINKILLER GOES. AND WHEN SHE ASKED FOR ASPIRIN, WHENEVER THAT WAS, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. AND I CONTINUED ANYTIME SHE WANTED TO GIVE HER ASPIRIN. CB: UH, OKAY, SO WHEN YOU LEFT THE BANK ATTEMPTS DOWN, DOWN IN GAINESVILLE, WHICH WAY DID YOU GO? GMH: BACK TO DAHLONEGA. NOW IT'S TOO LATE AND I, I'VE HAD IT. I, I'M LIKE (UI), WITH THE M.S. SOME DAYS I CAN'T GET OUT OF BED AND SOME DAYS I'M GOOD FOR A FEW HOURS. (UI) . . . WHEN I GET TO THIS POINT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ANYTHING (UI) CB: WHAT, WHICH, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO TO GO TO DAHLONEGA? GMH: HIGHWAY SIXTY, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY AND FOUR HUNDRED. CB: OKAY. GMH: YEAH. HIGHWAY SIXTY TO THE HEAD OF FOUR HUNDRED. CB: OKAY THEN WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT UP THERE? GMH: OH NO, NO. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHEN I WENT, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY TO FOUR HUNDRED AND THEN SIXTY GOES RIGHT ON IN TO DAHLONEGA. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. CB: WHERE DID YOU STAY IN DAHLONEGA? GMH: OKAY. THEN I ATTEMPTED TO GO UH, NORTH, UH, ONE TWENTY NINE AGAIN, BUT WE WERE NOW HAVING SNOW, COMING AT THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AS I GOT HIGHER ELEVATIONS I WAS GONNA FIND A PLACE TO CAMP BUT I WAS SHOT BY THEN. I COULDN'T THINK STRAIGHT. CB: OKAY. SO YOU ACTUALLY CAME SIXTY UP TO DAHLONEGA AND THEN YOU CUT BACK ACROSS TO ONE TWENTY NINE, OR . . . GMH: NO, ONE TWENTY NINE GOES INTO DAHLONEGA. CB: NO . . . GMH: IT'S A BYPASS AROUND DAHLONEGA CB: ARE YOU, THINKING ABOUT . . . GMH: ONE TWENTY NINE GOES OVER NEAL'S GAP. AM I NOT RIGHT? AM I CORRECT? CB: (UI) GMH: WE CAME ONE TWENTY NINE. CB: OKAY. ONE TWENTY NINE (UI) SS: (UI) GMH: AND ACTUALLY FOR SOME REASON AND I'M NOT SURE WHY I, I WENT INTO DOWNTOWN DAHLONEGA AND UH, I DIDN'T GO THE BYPASS. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO (UI) AND I JUST GOT ON IT, PERHAPS, AND UH, I'M NOT MENTALLY FUNCTIONING BY THEN. AS I AM NOW. I'M START, I'M STARTING TO FLAG OUT RIGHT NOW. SO (UI) AND UH, I STARTED . . . CB: I, I MAY BE, I MAY BE TOTALLY LOST, BUT I WAS THINKING ONE TWENTY NINE RAN FROM GAINESVILLE TO BLAIRSVILLE. IS THAT . . . GMH: IT DOES. CB: OKAY. AND WHERE, AT WHAT PART, PART OF ONE TWENTY NINE . . . GMH: I JUST COULDN'T . . . CB: GOES AROUND DAHLONEGA? WHERE, WHERE WE (UI) GMH: (UI) NO, NO. TD: IS THAT SIXTY? GMH: YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIXTY PROBABLY. TD: YEAH, BUT ONE TWENTY NINE IS (UI) GMH: INTO TOWN, YEAH, OH YEAH . . . TD: RIGHT? GMH: OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT ONE TWENTY NINE AT THAT POINT. CB: ONE, ONE TWENTY . . . GMH: IT'S NOT, IT COMES IN, IT'S SIXTY, IT COMES, OR WHATEVER . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: IT COMES INTO IT AT TURNER'S CORNER IS WHERE IT COMES, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. CB: THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY WE BASICALLY JUST CAME. GMH: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UH, SOME WAY OR THE OTHER I ENDED UP GOING THROUGH DAHLONEGA. I'M NOT SURE WHY. CB: OKAY. GMH: I COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER STRAIGHT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YEAH. AND I STARTED NORTH TO UH, WITH THE OBJECT OF GETTING A CAMPSITE SOMEWHERE. AND THE SNOW WAS COMING IN AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AND IT WAS ACCUMULATING RAPIDLY. AND THERE WAS PROBABLY TWO INCHES ON THE GROUND, ON THE ROAD, VERY QUICKLY, AND I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND CONTROL. AND THEN UH, I CAME AROUND A CURVE AND A CAR HAD SORT OF SLID OFF THE ROAD AND THERE WAS A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THERE CAR WITH IT'S BLUE LIGHTS. AND I WAS STRUGGLING UP HILL. AND I KNEW IT WAS JUST GONNA GET WORSE (UI) IN A HIGHER ELEVATION AND I KNEW HE, HE WAS, THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WAS ENGAGED UH, WITH, WITH THAT CAR, BUT I KNEW THAT MORE THAN LIKELY HE WAS ROAD, GONNA ROADBLOCK THAT ROAD AND TELL EVERYONE HEADED UP HILL NOT TO GO. CB: RIGHT. GMH: TO, TO ADVISE THEM NOT TO GO. OKAY. SO I KNEW THAT IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THAT HE WAS GONNA COME AFTER, UH, OR HAVE SOMEONE GET ME AND SAY HEY, YOU'RE NUTS. DON'T GO UP THERE. AND HE WAS RIGHT. I WOULDN'T HAVE ATTEMPTED IT. I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND SLIDING. NOW WE HAD ABOUT TWO INCHES OF ICE AND SNOW . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: SO, IT WAS NOT SO MUCH GOING UP HILL THAT YOU MAY JUST LOSE TRACTION AND NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE. BUT GOING DOWN HILL YOU PUT ON YOUR BRAKES AND JUST KEEP SLIDING AND YOU WRECK OUT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UP HILL, YOU JUST CONTINUE NO FURTHER. DOWN HILL YOU'LL WRECK. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UH, WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF ON (UI) CB: OKAY. AND WHEN, WHERE DID YOU WIND UP? GMH: SO THE SHERIFF'S CAR WAS THERE AND I KNEW IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THERE OR WHERE HE COULD SEE ME, THAT HE WAS GONNA COME GET ME OR SEND SOMEONE AFTER ME. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO DAWSON, DAWSONVILLE. SS: NO, WE'RE, WE'RE . . . GMH: OH, THIS, OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, YEAH, OKAY. SS: YEAH. GMH: NOW THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WE CAME THROUGH. YEAH. OUT OF GAINESVILLE. WE CAME THROUGH, THAT WAY, TO DAHLONEGA. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL I HAD IN MIND. AT THIS POINT, I WAS LOOKING FOR A CAMPSITE. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I TURNED AROUND, SOON AS I PASSED THE SHERIFF'S CAR I JUST TURNED AROUND AND TURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, PULLED OFF THE ROAD, AND GLAD I GOT TRACTION. IT WAS IN SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD BUT YOU COULDN'T TELL THAT AT FIRST BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A SNOW PIT. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT IT SURE SOMEONE, OR TURNED INTO SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK DOWN JUST RIGHT PAST THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: SHE SAW THE BLUE LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING BUT, AND WAS ONLY LOOSELY SECURED AS FAR AS (UI) AND WENT DOWN HILL, WENT DOWN TO HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO UH, DAHLONEGA HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO WEST . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: AND WENT TO A FOREST SERVICE ROAD UH, NIMBLEWILL CHURCH CREEK ROAD, IT'S ABOUT PROBABLY SIX, SEVEN MILES WEST OF DAHLONEGA. I COULD POINT IT ON A MAP. AND UH, WENT UP THERE, WENT TEN MILES UP THERE 'CAUSE IT'S FIVE MILES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY (UI) SO I WENT TEN MILES UP THAT AND UH, THEY'S A CAMPSITE, A NUMBER OF CAMPSITES. ON THAT ROAD CAMPING IS ONLY ALLOWED IN DESIGNATED SITES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: WHICH IS (UI) AND THAT (UI) CB: OKAY. SO YOU CAMPED THERE FOR THE NIGHT? GMH: CAMPED THERE. I GAVE HER THE BEST BAG, THE BEST, I GAVE HER THE MATTRESS THAT DIDN'T LEAK. I GOT A PLUS FIVE DEGREE BAG, I HAD A (UI) DEGREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EACH DOG GOT A BAG. EACH DOG GOT A TWENTY DEGREE BAG. CB: WHERE DID UH, WHERE DID YOU CAMP? IN THE VAN OR OUTSIDE? GMH: YEAH, YEAH, I JUST, SHE HELPED ME OFF LOAD THE VAN. I JUST UNCHAINED, SHE WAS FREE AT, SHE WAS ONLY, ONLY SECURED WHILE WE WERE MOVING. SHE WAS NOT TIED UP. AND WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP I WOULD TIE A LONG LENGTH OF NYLON CORD AROUND HER ANKLES, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AND THEN QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AT AN ANCHOR POINT IN THE VAN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET LONG. THAT WAS SIMPLY TO KEEP HER FROM JUMPING UP AND TAKING OFF WHILE I WAS ASLEEP. CB: (ANSWERS PHONE; DISCUSS DIRECTIONS) AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK, AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST, FIRST GATED ROAD TO YOUR LEFT, IS THAT CORRECT? GMH: YEAH. NO, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD, UH, TURN UH, NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST GATED UH, ROAD TO YOUR LEFT. IT'LL BE DESIGNATED AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, BIKER TRAIL, AND JUST NORTH OF THAT ROAD TO THE LEFT WILL BE A SIGN ON EACH SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES ALLOWED BEYOND THIS POINT. CB: FIRST ROAD TO THE LEFT ON SHOAL CREEK, UH, DESIGNATED AS UH . . . GMH: IT'S GATED. CB: IT'S GATED, IT'S DESIGNATED AS EQUESTRIAN, HIKER . . . GMH: BICYCLE TRAIL . . . CB: UH, BICYCLE TRAIL . . . GMH: AND ON . . . CB: . . . IF YOU GO TOO FAR PAST IT IT'LL SAY NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT. GMH: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. CB: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. GMH: NORTHBOUND. CB: THERE'S TWO SIDES . . . IS IT BEFORE YOU GET TO A LITTLE BRIDGE? GMH: IT'S, THERE IS A BRIDGE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER (UI) I, I . . . CB: HE DOESN'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER. SAID THERE'S A BRIDGE (UI) CORRECT. CORRECT. AND IF YOU STAY ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND YOU SEE SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR. GMH: THE ROAD IS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT. CB: IT'S IMMEDIATELY, IT'S IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT. (UI) ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD, SOUTHBOUND FROM THERE, IT'LL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE. GMH: NO, THAT'S WESTBOUND. CB: OR WESTBOUND. GMH: AND AT A, AT A POINT DUE SOUTH OF UH, DOUBLE BLAZES ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. CB: RIGHT. FIFTY, FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD THERE'LL BE DOUBLE BLAZED UH, TRAIL MARKINGS . . . GMH: ON A TREE. CB: ON A TREE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND . . . GMH: DUE SOUTH. FORTY YARDS. CB: AND IT'LL BE SOUTH OF THAT. BE ON THE LEFT, ABOUT FORTY YARDS. GMH: PILE OF BRUSH. CB: PILE OF BRUSH. GMH: IT'S A GENTLE, IT'S A GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE. CB: GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE . . . GMH: IF, IF IT'S A STEEP EMBANKMENT THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR. CB: ALRIGHT. YES. GMH: SO. SHE WAS ONLY SECURED WHEN WE WERE IN MOTION AND SOMETIMES NOT EVEN THEN. CB: OKAY. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN YOU GOT OUT YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD UH, NYLON . . . GMH: SHE ONLY . . . NO, NO. THAT'S JUST WHEN I WENT TO SLEEP. CB: OH, OKAY. GMH: I'D SAY HONEY I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO TIE YOU LOOSELY UH, I JUST, NOT TO, NOT TO RESTRAIN HER BUT JUST TO KEEP HER FROM READILY JUMPING UP AND RUNNING OFF. IN OTHER WORDS JUST TAKE A HUNDRED POUND TEST NYLON LINE . . . CB: UMM. GMH: AND PUT IT AROUND ONE LENGTH OR ONE THICKNESS AROUND HER ANKLE AND THEN PUT ABOUT, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND THEN PUT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT SQUARE KNOTS IN IT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND KNOT IT TIGHT. NOT HER, TIGHT ON HER. SO IN OTHER WORDS TO GET IT LOOSE YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT A WHILE. IT WAS JUST SO SHE COULD, IT WOULD WAKE ME UP UH, IF SHE WAS LEAVING. CB: AND YOU HAD THE OTHER END TIED WHERE? GMH: TO A SEAT BELT ANCHOR. CB: OKAY., GMH: THAT'S ALL. SHE WASN'T DOWN OR ANYTHING. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS JUST LOOSE AND, AND . . . (UI) GMH: OKAY. AND SO I, I HAVE UH, SO EACH DOG HAD A TWENTY DEGREE BAG. . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE GOT A FIFTEEN, OR SHE GOT A FIVE DEGREE BAG, AND I GOT A FIFTEEN DEGREE BAG, AND I GAVE HER THE AIR MATTRESS THAT DOESN'T LEAK AND I TOOK THE ONE THAT DOES LEAK (LAUGHS). AND UH, TO KEEP WARM. AND ALSO I RAN THE UH, VAN, IT WAS PRETTY COLD. IT WAS UH, PRETTY COLD THAT NIGHT. UH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIFTEEN (UI) FIFTEEN OUTSIDE. BUT SHE HELPED ME UNLOAD THE VAN. I INQUIRED ABOUT FOOD. NEITHER ONE OF US ATE ANYTHING. WE FEED THE DOG, I FED THE DOGS AND SO FORTH THEN SHE STILL CONVINCED ME THAT THE THING WAS GOING TO WORK. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I DETERMINED THE NEXT DAY THAT I WOULD GO TO CANTON. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND ONE REASON I HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION IS THAT I HAD A PERSON I KNEW THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, PLAN B WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM HER AND SHE WAS IN THAT DIRECTION. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. I DON'T, I HAVE, I HAVE UH, I HAVE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS ON ME, AND AS SOON AS I HAD GOTTEN HER IN THE VAN UH, SHORTLY AFTER I ABDUCTED HER I STOPPED AND GOT GAS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AT THE GAS STATION ON ONE TWENTY NINE, NORTH OF BLOOD MOUNTAIN, ON THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS, UH, NO, I STOPPED AT BOOGER HOLLOW GAS STATION ON THE RIGHT BUT IT WAS NO GOOD. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE PULLS UP AT THE OTHER ISLAND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS YELL OUT AND THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF IT. SO I DIDN'T LIKE THE SITUATION. SO I CONTINUED ON TO THE NEXT GAS STATION ON THE LEFT OR WEST SIDE OF ONE TWENTY NINE, GOING TOWARDS BLAIR, BLAIRSVILLE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND SPEND THIRTY DOLLARS OF MY LAST FORTY FIVE DOLLARS IN GAS. SO . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO, I HAD NO GAS, NO MONEY. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ONE REASON I HEADED TO CANTON SO I COULD GO ON TO CARTERSVILLE IF NECESSARY AND TRY TO GET SOME MONEY. CB: WHO IS THIS PERSON THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM AT UH . . . GMH: THE PERSON I WAS CALLING FROM THE GAS STATION WHERE, IN UH, CUMMING, WHERE THE CLOTHES WERE FOUND. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CALL I WAS MAKING. SHE REFUSED ME. CB: WHAT'S HER NAME? GMH: SHAWN STEWART. I BELIEVE YOU WERE PROBABLY STANDING THERE AS I CALLED. CB: OKAY. UH, DID YOU MAKE CONTACT WITH HER FROM CANTON? GMH: YEAH. NO, NOT CANTON. UH, OH NO, NOT CANTON. I DIDN'T CALL HER UNTIL . . . CB: YOU DIDN'T ATTEMPT UNTIL CUMMING. GMH: RIGHT. UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE I WAS ARRESTED CB: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T ATTEMPT IT UNTIL I STOPPED AT THAT GAS STATION. LET HER DOG OUT THERE. I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY, IT WAS FOR SEVERAL REASONS AND I . . . CB: WELL THAT'S, THAT'S . . . GMH: THAT'S (UI) CB: YEAH, LET'S GET, LET'S GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. UH (UI) GMH: SHERIFF IS ANYONE, COULD SOMEONE SPRING FOR ME A CUP OF COFFEE AT A DRIVE-IN SO I CAN KEEP GOING ON THIS THING HERE? I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT, CAN YOU DO IT? THERE'S MCDONALD'S. CB: WELL LET'S JUST KEEP GOING FOR RIGHT NOW AND THEN . . . GMH: OKAY. CB: WE'LL GET YOU A CUP HERE IN A SECOND. OKAY? (NOISE) GMH: WE'RE GOING TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD AND MAKING A RIGHT (UI) TD: YEAH, IT'S THE ONE UP AT THE OUTLETS. UM: OKAY. CB: YEAH, EXACTLY. AND WE'LL COME BACK DOWN AND GET YOU SOMETHING HERE IN JUST A SECOND. UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLOSE IN CASE THEY NEED US TO . . . GMH: OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, YOU GOT PEOPLE DOWN THERE. CB: (UI) GMH: RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. WE'LL GET, I KNOW, YOU, THEY, YOU, I UNDERSTAND AND WE'LL DO IT. WE'RE GONNA DO IT. CB: OKAY. UH, AFTER, AFTER YOU GOT TO CANTON, WHAT DID YOU DO? GMH: WELL, WE GOT UP THE NEXT MORNING AND I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON BECAUSE AGAIN I HAD A LIMITED RANGE NOW . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . SO I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON TO TRY THE CARD AGAIN. (LAUGHS) CB: UH HUH. GMH: YEAH. SHE'S MAKING A BELIEVER OUT OF ME. CB: UH HUH. GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH. BUT SHE, I KNEW, BUT HEY, WHAT ELSE YOU GONNA DO? CB: RIGHT. GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS LYING. I KNEW SHE HAD BEEN LYING. I KNEW SHE WASN'T GIVING ME THE STRAIGHT STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT HEY . . .SO . . . CB: (ANSWERS PHONE) HELLO. HEY. OKAY. OKAY IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE, IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE BLAZE. GMH: DOUBLE BLAZE. ONE IS WHITE AND ONE'S KIND OF A, A DIFFERENT OTHER COLOR. CB: OKAY. THE FIRST, THE FIRST UH, BLAZE IS ON A TELEPHONE POLE. THAT'S NOT GONNA BE IT, IS IT? GMH: NO. IT'S ON A TREE. CB: IT'S ON A TREE. GMH: THEY'VE NOT GONE FAR ENOUGH THEN. BECAUSE A PHONE POLE WOULD BE BY THE ROAD. CB: LIGHT BLUE ABOVE RED? GMH: UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE TOGETHER. OR UH, SIDE BY SIDE. SIDE BY SIDE. CB: OKAY. THERE'S A FENCE ON OUT THE ROAD? GMH: ANOTHER WAY, THEY MAY BE ON THE WRONG DAMN ROAD THEN. UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FIRST ROAD, BUT . . .IT MAY NOT BE THE FIRST . . . CB: WE'RE AT DAWSONVILLE . . . GMH: TELL 'EM . . . CB: (UI) BIG INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE. GMH: TELL 'EM WE'RE ABOUT . . . CB: (UI) GMH: WE'RE THIRTEEN MILES FROM THEM. IT'S TEN MILES FROM HERE TO UH, DAWSON FOREST . . . CB: ALRIGHT, THEN. I'LL ASK. ALRIGHT. WILL DO. SEE YA. JUST TAKE US THERE. SHERIFF. GMH: SO THE NEXT DAY I DETERMINED I WOULD GO TO CANTON. TRY IT AGAIN. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND THEN PLANNED TO, TO GO ON PERHAPS TO CARTERSVILLE AND TRY TO (UI) SOME MONEY FROM SHAWN. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, SHAWN AND I ARE NOT CLOSE FRIENDS. UH, WE, I'VE KNOWN HER FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY ESTRANGED, KNOWN HER HER WHOLE LIFE BUT (UI) CB: WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, ONE THING (UI) AND I'M, I'M GONNA START PICKING UP THE PACE A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, HERE SHORTLY AND HE'S GONNA WANT (UI) BUT UH, WHAT UH, BANK DID YOU GO TO? GMH: I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT BUT IT'S ON UH, MARIETTA HIGHWAY SOUTH OF CANTON. CB: REGIONS BANK? GMH: YEAH, I THINK IT IS REGIONS BANK. IT'S NEAR THE MOOSE FACILITY AND I PARKED AROUND ON MOOSE LODGE ROAD. UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MOOSE LODGE ROAD, MOOSE HOME ROAD (UI) IT'S (UI) CB: RIGHT. GMH: WE SAT OVER THERE (UI) REGIONS BANK. SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE TWICE OR THREE TIMES. (LAUGHS) CB: AND, AND, AND, OKAY . . . COULDN'T, COULDN'T GET MONEY THERE. GMH: YEAH. CB: AND WHAT HAPPENED THEN? GMH: WENT TO DAWSON FOREST, UH, WHERE WE'RE UH, GOING NOW, BUT UH, NORTH ON SHOAL, ON UH, IN CAMP, ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, JUST NORTH OF SHOAL CREEK. IN OTHER WORDS, UH, SEVERAL MILES UP THE ROAD FROM WHERE WE, UP SHOAL CREEK FROM WHERE WE'RE GOING NOW. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND CAMPED THERE, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE I, I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE STAYED TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING THE NEXT DAY. YEAH. WE WENT HIKING, YEAH. WE WENT HIKING. YEAH, WE SPENT TWO DAYS, TWO NIGHTS THERE. AND WE WERE AT, WE'RE ELEVEN DEGREES OUTSIDE AIR TEMPERATURE THERE. SO I HAD STOVES GOING, I HAD, YOU KNOW, STOVE USED AS A HEATER,… CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND I HAD THE, THE VAN GOING. UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, TO KEEP WARM, AND WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING ONE DAY, THE NEXT DAY. WE TOOK BOTH DOGS AND WENT HIKING ALONG, ALONG SHOAL CREEK. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE HAD A GOOD TIME. CB: OKAY. HOW, HOW . . . GMH: WE . . . CB: HOW DID YOU KEEP HER FROM RUNNING OFF WHILE YOU WERE HIKING? GMH: NO, NO, SHE'S, SHE'S, I, SHE'S NOT HAVING A BAD TIME . . . CB: OH, I KNOW . . . GMH: EVEN THOUGH SHE'S BEEN KIDNAPED . . . SHE'S NOT HAVING . . . CB: I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING SHE WAS HAVING A BAD TIME. WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING . . . GMH: THERE'S NOWHERE FOR, OH, I TOLD HER I'D SHOOT HER ASS DOWN, I SAID WELL LISTEN HONEY. REMEMBER TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING ON ME AND THROUGH THE WOODS . . . CB: UH HUH. DID YOU HAVE A WEAPON WITH YOU? GMH: UH UH. NO, NO. I TOLD HER I HAD A GUN. CB: OKAY. GMH: OH, I SHOWED HER A BB GUN. CB: OH, YOU SHOWED HER THE BB GUN. GMH: SHOW, SHOWED HER ONE OF THOSE UH, DAISY XR15 BB GUNS THAT LOOKS LIKE A COLT COMBAT COMMANDER. SO . . . I HAD THREE OF THEM. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I HAD SHOWED HER THE GUN, BUT ONLY SHE SAID, NO, DON'T SHOW ME THE GUN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A GUN. SO ONE TIME AND THAT WAS IT. NO I TOLD HER REMEMBER TWO THINGS. ONE IS YOU BUST OUT THROUGH THE WOODS THE PURSUER HAS THE ADVANTAGE (UI) IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD OR ANYWHERE ELSE I'LL SHOOT YOU DOWN. AND I'M A GOOD SHOT LEFT OR RIGHT HANDED. (UI) AND UH, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. UH, SHE WAS NOT HAVING A BAD TIME AT ALL AND ENJOYING HERSELF ON THE HIKE. I COULD TELL THAT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: COMMENTING HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS WE HIKED FOR SEVERAL HOURS CB: OKAY. GMH: ALONG SHOAL CREEK. PART OF IT WAS ON AN EQUESTRIAN TRAIL AND PART OF IT WAS CROSS COUNTRY. CB: WHAT IF YOU HAD SEEN, CAME UPON SOMEBODY? HAD, DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? GMH: YEAH. CB: WHAT WAS YOU GONNA DO? HAD YOU TOLD HER NOT TO SAY ANYTHING? GMH: YEAH. I SAID IF WE COME UPON SOMEONE DON'T DO ANYTHING OR I'M GONNA SHOOT, START SHOOTING EVERYBODY. UNLESS IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT. I TOLD HER . . .I WON'T SHOOT IT OUT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT 'CAUSE I WON'T WIN. BUT I SAID IF IT'S ANYONE ELSE, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED. CB: OKAY. GMH: NO, SHE NEVER MADE ANY ATTEMPT. CB: DID YOU, DID YOU COME UPON ANYBODY ON THE TRAIL? GMH: NO. HELL, IT WAS ELEVEN, NO, I DIDN'T (UI) CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, WE HIKED UH, FOR SEVERAL HOURS THAT DAY. WITH THE DOGS. THE DOGS WERE LOOSE, SHE WAS LOOSE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME. AND COMMENTING ON HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS. AGAIN, SHE WASN'T HAVING A GOOD TIME CB: YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. GMH: UH, SHE WASN'T IN UH, MENTAL DISTRESS OTHER THAN ANY KIND OF (UI) CB: SO THIS WAS . . . GMH: I, I, I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER, OF HER, OF HER COMFORT AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE. CB: THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE THIRD. THE SECOND WAS THE DAY YOU WERE IN CANTON. AND . . . GMH: THEN THE THIRD . . . CB: YOU WENT HIKING FOR SEVERAL HOURS GMH: AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THAT I DIDN'T TRY TO RUN THE CARDS OR DO THE END RESULT. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: I'M NOT NOT REALLY SURE. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . GMH: AND THEN THE NEXT DAY UH, WE GOT UP AND I TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME. I'LL MOVE THIS ALONG AS YOU SAY. THE NEXT DAY WE GOT UP, TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME I TOLD HER THAT I HAD HER CELL PHONE AND I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. WHICH YOU HAVE THAT BAG FULL OF STUFF. UH, I UH, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER CELL PHONE. SHE . . . CB: SHERIFF WHAT KIND OF PHONE CHARGER DO YOU HAVE? SS: YOU HAVE VERIZON? CB: YEAH. IS IT A MOTOROLA? SS: (UI) CB: OKAY. NEVER MIND. THAT'S ALRIGHT. SS: YOU NEED TO USE MY PHONE. CB: NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. (UI) TD: IS THIS, IS THIS HIGHWAY NINE RIGHT HERE . . . GMH: UH, WE'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT ACROSS. TD: STRAIGHT ACROSS. RIGHT. GMH: NOW WE'RE GONNA . . . SS: GOING TO THE (UI) GMH: WE WILL BE IN ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED YARDS. SS: OKAY. GMH: SEE A FIRE STATION AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON YOUR RIGHT. SS: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE. WE'RE GETTING WITHIN A MILE OR SO TO SHOAL CREEK. TD: WHICH WAY FROM HERE? GMH: STRAIGHT ON. TD: RIGHT. GMH: AND WE'RE ABOUT A MILE FROM SHOAL CREEK. CB: OKAY. YOU TOLD HER YOU, SHE WAS GOING HOME THE NEXT DAY AND YOU HAD HER STUFF BAGGED UP . . . GMH: GOING HOME AND UH, I SAID I'M GIVING YOU ALL YOUR STUFF BACK. I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. I MADE A POINT OF SHOWING HER AS WE, SHE HELP, SHE ALWAYS HELPED ME LOAD AND UNLOAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE MY HAND WAS MESSED UP. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO, SHE WAS . . . SO . . . CB: THAT'S NOT MEDIA IS IT? UM: NO. CB: WELL HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY . . . GMH: OH, MAN. JESUS CHRIST. (UI) SS: YOU WANT MY BOYS TO TAKE CARE OF IT? CB: YEAH. (BEEP) SS: WHAT CAN WE TELL'EM, TELL 'EM TO GET OUT OF HERE? CB: TELL 'EM THEY NEED TO LEAVE. (UI, NOISE) GMH: THAT'S THEIR JOB. (UI) CB: JOHN YOU GOT MEDIA TRUCKS OUT HERE JUST LETTING, YOU KNOW, I GOT UNION COUNTY EVACUATING THEM, UH, SHADOW CAR WE HAD. BUT UH, CALL ME BACK. WE'RE COMING INTO YOU. GMH: OKAY. UH, AND, SO, SHE WOULD ALWAYS HELP ME UNPACK AND PACK AND SITUATE AND . . . CB: YOU TELL ME IF WE SEE 'EM NOW 'CAUSE I'M GONNA CUT THIS LIGHT OFF AGAIN. GMH: AND, SO IN OTHER WORDS, CONSISTENT WITH BEING KIDNAPED, SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME (LAUGHS) . . . CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. CB: OKAY. GMH: . . .I WOULDN'T SAY SHE'S ENJOYING IT, BUT SHE WAS . . . CB: WELL . . . GMH: . . . HEY, SHE WAS INTO IT. IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE. CB: WHAT I'M ASKING UH . . . GMH: SHE WAS AT EASE. AT EASE. TOTALLY AT EASE. (UI) CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, DID YOU GUYS LEAVE THE SITE YOU WERE CAMPING AT AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU KILL HER BEFORE THAT? GMH: NO, NO. OKAY. NO WE, PACKING UP AND TELLING HER, I'M TAKING HER, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . I WAS, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER AND SHOW HER HOW I MADE, SHOW HER I WAS PUTTING ALL HER STUFF TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING. PUT HER STUFF TOGETHER. SHE SAID TO ME ABOUT HER CELL PHONE SHE'S GOT ALL HER CONTACTS IN THERE. PUT HER CELL PHONE IN THERE. YEAH, SURE, I HAD JUST TAKEN OUT THE BATTERY. AND UH, AND EVERYTHING. AND I COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD BECAUSE A, WE WERE CAMPED RIGHT AT THE FORD OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND SHOAL CREEK. CB: CALL THEM AND TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND STAY OFF. SS: DO WHAT NOW? CB: TELL, TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND (UI) KEEP THESE GUYS OFF OF US. (NOISE) IF THEY TRY TO COME BACK BY HERE Y'ALL STOP 'EM FOR ME. OKAY? ALRIGHT. GMH: AND UH, WE JUST COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GONNA GO ANYWAY. BUT, SO A BIG TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, A LAWN CARE TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER OUT OF THE SHOAL CREEK AND EVERYTHING GOT HIMSELF STUCK CROSSWAYS OF THE ROAD. WE WENT NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD TO HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE RIGHT OR EAST ON (UI) CB: HOLD ON, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. OKAY? (NOISE) GMH: OKAY. SHOAL CREEK ROAD. SS: HEY, HOW YOU DOING? UF: GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? SS: DOING GOOD. UF: THEY'RE ALL DOWN THERE. SS: DOWN TO THE RIGHT? UF: TO THE RIGHT. SS: (UI) I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SUBURBAN TRYING TO KEEP SOME HEAT OFF OF IT BACK THERE . . . UF: THANK YOU. SS: . . . IF ANYBODY (UI) THANK YOU, MA'AM. UF: YEAH. CB: OKAY. SO . . . GMH: OKAY. SO (UI) GOT THE ROAD BLOCKED ANYWAY AND HE SAID HE WAS CALLING NINE ONE ONE, THE DRIVER, HE HAD GOT HIMSELF, HE WAS DOWN THERE UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, WASHING EQUIPMENT OFF, PESTICIDES, THAT KIND OF THING, FERTILIZER CB: RIGHT. GMH: OUT OF THE FORD, JUST 'CAUSE THE ROAD WAS A CONCRETE ROAD. ANYWAY, WE HEADED NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD, HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE, RIGHT, EAST ON FIFTY THREE, TO UH, HIGHWAY NINE, RIGHT, SOUTH ON HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD HERE. HERE NORTH, UH, UP TO THAT POINT, TOOK HER INTO THE FOREST, TOLD HER I WAS GETTING HER STUFF TOGETHER, I HAD TO GET THE TRUCK, 'CAUSE I, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING IN WHEN THAT GUY . . . CB: ALRIGHT, SLOW DOWN. SLOW DOWN. GMH: (UI) CB: YOU CAME, YOU CAME HERE . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: AND YOU, YOU GOT HER OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE VEHICLE. GMH: YEAH, BECAUSE I TOLD HER LISTEN, THE GUY'S STUCK DOWN THERE, SHE WAS LOOSE THE WHOLE, SHE WAS EVEN LOOSE DRIVING DOWN HERE, MAN. OKAY? CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH . . . CB: DID SHE RIDE UP . . . GMH: I'M KEEPING A HEADS UP . . . CB: DID SHE RIDE UP FRONT? GMH: NO, NO, JUST LAID DOWN IN THE BACK AND RELAXED, YOU KNOW. CB: YEAH. GMH: I, I ALWAYS, SHE WAS ALWAYS AT EASE AFTER THAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND . . . SO UH, TO HERE, NORTH UP THERE, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING AND I SAID HEY, HEY HON, UH, STRAIGHT ON. CB: IS THIS IT? GMH: NO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT GOOFED UP. THIS IS NOT IT. IT'S, I TOLD YOU THE FIRST ROAD, KEEP ON GOING. THAT'S WHY THEY MET, I WASN'T COUNTING THAT ROAD. WE, WE GOT TO GO ON. THAT'S WHY THEY COULDN'T FIND IT. CB: ALRIGHT, HOLD ON. GMH: TELL 'EM . . . CB: HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. (PAUSE) LET'S WAIT ON THEM. ALRIGHT? SS: I NEED TO TINKLE ANYWAY. (UI) GMH: UH, SO DO I. WELL, WE, I'LL WAIT TILL WE GET OUT THERE OR WHATEVER. (DOOR CLOSES) (PAUSE, NOISE) CB: ALRIGHT. SO . . . GMH: OH, AT ANY RATE, YEAH . . . CB: CAME TO, CAME TO THIS LOCATION. GMH: BUT JUST REAL QUICK BACK UP. WHEN THAT THING GOT STUCK I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW. THE, THAT GUY'S STUCK, THE LAW'S COMING, HE'S CALLED, MAN, WE JUMPED . . . SHE HELPED ME. I MEAN, SHE JUMPED RIGHT INTO. WE JUST GRABBED EVERYTHING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO, WE JUST HAD PILES OF STUFF IN THE VAN, JUST EVERYTHING WE HAD THROWN IN THE VAN AND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . PILED UP. SHE JUMPED IN AND WE TOOK OFF. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED MAN. YOU KNOW. CB: UH HUH. GMH: DROVE TO HERE, I SAID HEY, I GOTTA GET THIS STUFF ARRANGED. WE'RE GONNA LET YOU GO, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, I'VE GOTTA MOVE YOU OFF HERE, THE LAW'S ALL OVER THE PLACE AND EVERYTHING. DROVE DOWN HERE, PARKED, I, I WALKED HER INTO THE WOODS, GOT, GOT UH, TWO SLEEPING BAGS. I GOT AN AIR, I GOT A MATTRESS FOR HER TO SIT ON, TWO BAGS TO PUT OVER HER. A LENGTH OF CHAIN. TOOK HER DOWN TO THE, THE LOCATION WHERE SHE WAS KILLED. SECURED HER TO A TREE. WALKED BACK TO THE VAN. I'M STAGGERING AROUND BY NOW. YOU KNOW. I AM JUST, I HAVE HAD IT. I CAN'T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT. I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST STAGGERING, YOU KNOW. CB: UH HUH. GMH: (UI) I'M JUST STAGGERING. MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS CB: UH HUH. GMH: WENT, KINDA GOT MYSELF TOGETHER, MADE SOME COFFEE AND EVERYTHING. GOT AN IRON BAR, A JACK HANDLE, WALKED BACK, TOLD HER IT, OKAY . . . AND UH, AT THAT POINT SHE WAS, SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK (UI, LAUGHS) YOU GLAD TO SEE ME AND SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK. I GAVE HER A BOOK TO READ AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THERE. AND I WALKED UP AND MADE AS IF TO UH, UNSECURE THE CHAIN, UH, STRUCK HER WITH THE BAR UH . . . CB: WHAT, WHAT, WHAT BAR? GMH: IT, IT WAS A, A JACK HANDLE. UH, A, JUST A STRAIGHT JACK HANDLE. THE SOLID IRON, IRON BAR. UH, STRUCK HER WITH THAT. UH, SHE SAID NO, LET ME GO. PUT HER HANDS UP, UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER AND SHE, YOU'LL SEE SOME DEFENSIVE WOUNDS TO HER HANDS. CB: OKAY. GMH: SHE LOST CONSCIOUSNESS AND UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER TO ENSURE SHE WAS DEAD. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, THEN UH, I UNSECURED HER UH, REMOVED HER CLOTHING TO, FOR FORENSIC EVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S, WELL ACTUALLY THE, THE BLUE JACKET YOU HAVE UH, THAT'S SOAKED WITH HER BLOOD . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THAT'S MINE. CB: OKAY. GMH: THE, THE PILE PULLOVER, THE FLEECE PULLOVER THAT'S SOAKED WITH BLOOD . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THAT'S MINE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, THE PANTS UH, PILE PANTS THAT SHE WO, SHE HAD A PAIR OF SWEATPANTS ON BUT SHE HAD A PILE OF, A PAIR OF PILE PANTS ON... CB: UH HUH. GMH: OR OVER THAT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THAT'S MINE. UH, SHE WAS WEARING A LOT OF MY CLOTHES 'CAUSE I KEPT HER DRESSED WARMLY. CB: UH HUH. RIGHT. GMH: THAT'S ALL MINE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, SO REMOVED THAT CLOTHE, UH, CLOTHING UH, AND UH, AT THAT TIME REMOVED THE HEAD. AGAIN . . . CB: UH, LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, YOU HIT HER WITH THE BAR THAT YOU HAD . . . GMH: YES. CB: WHICH IS, WHICH IS LIKE A TIRE IRON OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE? GMH: IT'S, IT BELONGS TO THE JACK WHICH COMES WITH AN ASTRO. CB: I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. COMES WITH . . . GMH: IT'S A STRAIGHT, IT'S STRAIGHT . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, ONE END IS A LUG WRENCH . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: THING . . . CB: . . . AND WHERE IS IT AT? GMH: IT'S, IT'S LAYING ON THE GRASS AT THE GAS STATION IN CUMMING, BUT, WHERE MY VAN WAS PARKED. CB: IT'S IN THE GRASS . . . GMH: LAYING ON THE GRASS BY THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . NEAR THE DUMPSTER WHERE I WAS PARKED WHEN I WAS PUTTING IT IN THE DUMPSTER . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . AND MAKING THE PHONE CALL. I JUST TOOK THAT TIRE IRON AND PLACED IT ON THE GRASS. CB: ON THE GRASS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. CARRY ON ABOUT UH, BASICALLY REMOVING . . . GMH: OKAY. RE, REMOVED HER HEAD . . . CB: REMOVED THE HEAD. GMH: WITH A UH, SERRATED KNIFE, WHICH YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN THE DUMPSTER, I THINK IT'S THERE . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . UH . . . AND UH . . . AND UH . . . CB: A SE, A SERRATED KNIFE? GMH: YEAH. LIKE A BUTCHER KNIFE OR A KIT, A KIT, A KITCHEN KNIFE. A LONG . . . CB: AND, AND THAT WAS IN THE DUMPSTER AS WELL. GMH: I BELIEVE SO. I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH (UI) THAT . . . CB: CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT FOR ME? IS IT A FOLDING KNIFE? IS IT . . . GMH: NO, IT IS A KITCHEN KNIFE JUST LIKE IT WOULD COME IN A SET OF SERRATED KNIVES. UH, ONE SIDED, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE SHARPENED EDGE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: IT'S JUST YOUR STANDARD, GENERIC, CHEAP, TWELVE INCH, YOU WOULD CALL IT A BUTCHER KNIFE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: I GUESS YOU WOULD. CB: WAS THAT, WAS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT DIFFICULT TO DO, TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S HEAD OFF? I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE, I MEAN, IS IT, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING . . . GMH: WELL . . . CB: . . . FOR MY, I, I . . . GMH: . . . I, I UNDERSTAND. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND IT UH, DIDN'T SEEM REAL, IT DOESN'T SEEM REAL, LOOKING BACK ON IT. CB: I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE, I CAN'T IMAGINE A KITCHEN KNIFE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. GMH: THIS IS A, A KNIFE WITH A BLADE THIS LONG . . . CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: THAT'S SERRATED. AND SO IT'S A SAW. CB: OH, OKAY. I GOTCHA, I GOTCHA. GMH: IT'S JUST SAWING. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS KEEP SAWING, SAWING . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: . . . SAWING . . . CB: I GOTCHA. GMH: . . . SAWING, SAWING. AND THEN GET THROUGH THE JOINT. IT'S JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, THAT'S WHAT IT'S MADE FOR IN THE KITCHEN. CB: RIGHT. GMH: TO CUT UP MEAT. CB: RIGHT. OKAY. GMH: WHAT YOU WOULD USE TO, IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER THAN YOU WOULD USE TO CUT A CHICKEN UP. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: BUT YOU'D CUT UP, UH, LEG OF LAMB OR ANYTHING ELSE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: JUST A, GOT, IT'S, THE BLADE IS STRAIGHT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT COMES TO A POINT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, AND ONE SIDE IS SHARP AND THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT'S A HANDLE WITH NO HILT ON IT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND IT'S JUST THAT KIND OF STANDARD KNIFE. A KITCHEN . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD GET A SET OF THESE KNIVES WITH ONE BLADE THIS LONG, AND YOU'D HAVE A PARING KNIFE THAT LONG . . . CB: I, I . . . GMH: THEN YOU HAVE A BLADE THAT LONG AND IT WAS . . . CB: I KNOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU . . . GMH: . . . ONE WITH A BLADE THAT LONG. CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. GMH: SIMPLE AS CAN BE. CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU . . . YEAH. GMH: JUST A CHEAP KNIFE. CB: YEAH. I'M, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. GMH: OKAY. CB: UH, AND YOU, AND YOU THREW THAT INTO THE DUMPSTER IN CUMMING, I, I BELIEVE YOU SAID? OR . . . GMH: I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT ENDED UP. CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. THERE WAS A SHEATH TO A BAYONET IN, IN . . . GMH: THAT WAS THE BAYONET THAT I LOST CONTROL OF AND THAT, THAT . . . CB: AND IT SHOULD STILL BE ON THE MOUNTAIN. GMH: IT SHOULD BE. CB: OKAY. GMH: I WENT IN AND LOOKED FOR IT, BUT I, I, I, APPARENTLY IT WAS COVERED BY LEAVES . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . AND, AND I BRUSHED AROUND THE LEAVES, BUT I COULDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME NOW BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA COME ALONG AT ANY MINUTE. YOU KNOW. CB: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: SO THAT BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: OKAY? BUT THAT'S THE BAYONET THAT, I DROPPED 'EM BOTH. I DROPPED BOTH THE BAYONET AND THAT, THE BAT. I WAS NOT FUNCTIONING WELL. CB: OKAY. UH, AND, DID YOU CONCEAL HER HEAD IN ANYTHING, OR DID YOU UH . . . GMH: NO. I BAGGED HER HEAD. . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IN A WHITE BAG AND TOOK IT WITH ME. CB: TRASH BAG? GMH: WHITE TRASH BAG. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: TOOK THAT AND THE TWO SLEEPING BAGS SHE WAS USING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . AND THE MATTRESS AND THE BOOK SHE WAS READING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: BACK TO THE VAN, DROVE UP A HALF A MILE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO THE NEXT PLACE WE'LL BE GOING. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND TOOK SOME OF HER BLOODY CLOTHES, SOME OF HER CLOTHES . . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH, ACTUALLY THE CLOTHES THAT I DISCARDED WERE HER CLOTHES. THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE LOCATION OF THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . . CB: BLOW, BLOW THE HORN A COUPLE OF TIMES, SHERIFF. (HORN BLOWS) GMH: THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED IN THE DUMPSTER WERE MY CLOTHES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: THAT I WANTED TO KEEP AND WASH BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE CLOTHES. CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. I STILL DIDN'T (UI) CB: THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER THING I, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KINDA PUZZLED ME. BUT I'LL GET, I'LL GET TO THAT. YOU BASICALLY TOOK THE HEAD ON TO THE OTHER, THE SECOND LOCATION. GMH: RIGHT. FOUND, PUT IT UP AGAINST A, A LOG . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: PULLED THE BAG OFF OF IT . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: COVERED IT UP. CB: OKAY. GMH: TOOK HER BLOODY CLOTHES . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: WHICH WERE ALSO IN A SEPARATE, WHICH WERE IN A SEPARATE WHITE BAG . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: TOOK 'EM TWENTY FEET WEST . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND COVERED THOSE UP. CB: OKAY. SO THEY'RE TWENTY FEET WEST OF THE . . . GMH: YEAH, YEAH. CB: HEAD. GMH: AND I TOOK THEM OUT OF THE WHITE BAG. CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK . . . GMH: AND I THINK I LEFT THE WHITE BAGS ALSO THERE COVERED UP. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPOSE EVERY, EVERYTHING TO THE ELEMENTS. CB: RIGHT. GMH: RATHER THAN KEEP 'EM BAGGED. CB: RIGHT. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, YOU, YOU SAID YOU TOOK HER CLOTHES OFF, UH, AT THAT POINT . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: DID YOU TAKE EVERYTHING FROM HER? DID YOU TAKE HER UNDERWEAR AND EVERYTHING OR JUST UH . . . GMH: I TOOK EVERYTHING, HER UNDERWEAR, AND EVERYTHING EXCEPT HER NAVEL RING. HER NAVEL PIERCING RING. CB: OKAY. GMH: UH, THAT WAS TO REMOVE ANY, YOU KNOW, CLOTHING THAT SOAKS UP FIBERS . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: LIKE, LIKE A FLASH. I UH, THE BLEACH . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: I POURED LIQUID BLEACH ALL OVER HER . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . TO ANY DNA. AND I KNEW, I KNEW BLEACH WOULD NOT DESTROY FIBERS . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: BUT I, THAT ANY DNA SHE MAY HAVE PICKED UP FROM MY CLOTHES, SHE'D BEEN WEARING MY CLOTHES FOR NOW WHAT, THREE DAYS. . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: OR SOMETHING AND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I POURED LIQUID BLEACH OVER HER AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT TO, DONE TO PRECLUDE IDENTIFICATION . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, OTHER THAN AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I'D EVEN BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HER. SO UH, AND I, I FELT, I KNEW THE BODY WOULD BE FOUND SOONER OR LATER, THESE BODIES, THE BODY IN HERE SOONER OR LATER IS GONNA COME TO LIGHT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT IS. AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST BODY THAT'S BEEN DISCARDED HERE. SS: DID YOU TALK TO JOHN? CB: NO, I CAN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM. SS: (UI) SHOW HIM WHERE THE . . . CB: WHERE'S HE AT? SS: HEAD WAS. (UI) JC: I'LL FOLLOW YOU. SS: OKAY. CB: (UI) HEY. SS: JOHN. CB: WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING TO? SS: THEY GOT THE BODY. JC: GO WHERE THE HEAD IS. WE FOUND THE BODY. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. TAKE US TO WHERE THE HEAD IS. OKAY? (NOISE) GMH: THEN I LEFT, HEADED UH, SOUTH TO THAT GAS STATION WHERE I MADE THE CALL TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY. I'M DOWN TO, I THINK IT WAS EIGHTEEN DOLLARS . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: SOMETHING LIKE THAT. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND I'M GETTING LOW ON GLASS, GAS. CB: THIS WAS IN CUMMING? GMH: YEAH. THAT GAS STATION. I TOOK HER DOG WITH ME AND I FOUND A LOCATION WHERE I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY. CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, I KNOW THAT YOU MADE A PHONE CALL FROM MARBLE HILL ALSO. AT ONE POINT. GMH: YOU MEAN UH, FROM A HUDDLE HOUSE? CB: RIGHT. GMH: THAT WAS TO MY EMPLOYER JOHN TABER TO GET TO UH, BEG MY OLD JOB BACK. CB: RIGHT. AND WAS SHE . . . GMH: I'VE HAD . . . CB: . . . ALREADY DEAD AT THAT POINT? OR . . . GMH: NO. CB: OKAY. SO WHAT DAY WAS THAT ON? WAS THAT THE DAY YOU GUYS WENT HIKING, WAS IT THE DAY AFTER YOU WENT HIKING? GMH: THAT WAS THE DAY WE WENT HIKING. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. CB: OKAY. GMH: I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE. CB: UH HUH. GMH: OKAY. I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING AND THEN WE'LL . . . SS: I'M SORRY. THEY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION . . . CB: TELL, YEAH, I'M SORRY . . . GMH: NO, WE GOT . . . SS: WHERE THE BODY IS . . . GMH: THAT'S THE BODY. AND, AND WE'RE GOING UP TO THE, THE UH, A ROAD ON THE TOP OF A RIDGE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: IT MAY BE THE SECOND GATED ROAD, I THINK IT'S THE SECOND GATED ROAD. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. I TOLD HER THAT NIGHT WE WOULD GO, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY TRIED CAMPING, THE CARDS WEREN'T RUNNING. I SAID I'M FINISHED WITH THESE CARDS. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I'M GONNA GO GET SOME MONEY FROM A FRIEND, ONCE I GET THAT MONEY IN MY POCKET, SOME RUNNING MONEY, I'M GONNA LET YOU GO. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SO WE WENT HIKING THAT DAY. AND THEN WE HEADED OSTENSIBLY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM MY FRIEND. CB: UH HUH. GMH: I STOPPED AT THAT CAR, THAT, THAT PHONE IN A HUDDLE HOUSE OR WAFFLE HOUSE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: CALLED MY, NO, SHE WAS IN THE VAN. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: SHE WAS IN THE VAN, LOOSELY SECURED. CB: OKAY. GMH: JUST AGAIN AT THE UH . . . CB: KEEP ON GOING, KEEP GOING (UI) NOW YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T . . . GMH: OH NO, I'M GONNA TELL YOU. YOU CAN'T MISS IT. CB: . . . WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT . . . GMH: NO, JUST GO ON UP THE, THE ROAD'S GONNA BE TO YOUR LEFT AT THE TOP OF A RIDGE AND WHEN YOU START GOING DOWN HILL YOU WILL HAVE GONE TOO FAR. SO . . .WE, WE HAVEN'T CROSSED A LITTLE BRIDGE YET, HAVE WE? SO I THINK, WE CAN, UH, ANYWAY, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. SS: YES, WE DID. GMH: WE DID? OKAY. (UI) GMH: SO . . . NO, SHE WAS ALIVE AND IN THE VAN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. BECAUSE UH, I CALLED MY OLD BOSS UH, GOT (UI) BUT I HAD, NOW I HAD NOTHING, NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. YOU KNOW. I (UI) CB: WHAT WAS YOUR PLANS? WERE YOU PLANNING ON LEAVING OR GETTING OUT OF TOWN OR . . . GMH: WELL, UH, I DIDN'T UH, I DIDN'T KNOW. UH, I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, I CALLED HIM TO SEE ABOUT WORKING FOR HIM. I, I, I, OR GET, I WAS, WELL NO, I, I TOLD HIM I WANTED SOME MONEY. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WORK FOR HIM AND TO LEAVE ME SOME MONEY UH, AT HIS OFFICE, UH, WHERE I USED TO LIVE. . THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND UH, THAT'S THAT CALL. THEN I CAME BACK AND TOLD HER THAT I HAD GOT THE MONEY LINED UP BUT I COULDN'T GET IT TONIGHT AND WE'D GET IT TOMORROW. SO THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP SPENDING TWO NIGHTS. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: AND UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. CB: ALRIGHT. AND, SO THE MORNING, THE DAY THAT YOU, THE DAY THAT YOU WERE DISCARDING THE CLOTHING THAT'S THE DAY SHE DIED. IS THAT ACCURATE . . . GMH: YES, YES. CB: OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS? GMH: MAN, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE A . . . UH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN UH, TWO HOURS BEFORE. CB: IS IT GONNA BE THIS ROAD HERE? GMH: UH KEEP ON GOING A LITTLE MORE SHERIFF, UH . . . WAIT . . . NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. UH, NEXT. LET'S GO ON UP TO THE TOP . . . NO, THAT, THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT (LAUGHS) . . . I THOUGHT IT'S A POOR OLD CAMPER OUT HERE (UI) . . .THIS IS GOING UP TO THE, IT'LL BE THE TOP AND THE ROAD THEN WILL GO DOWN HILL TO THE LEFT. AFTER WE UH, AFTER WE PASS THAT ROAD. BUT WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER UH, RISE TO GO OVER. SHERIFF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS AND THEN DOWN AND UP AGAIN. SO JUST GO ON. UP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS RIDGE AND THEN DOWN INTO A HOLLOW AND THEN UP AGAIN. SS: UH HUH. GMH: AND BY THE WAY. SHE WAS LAYING IN THE BACK UNSECURED WHEN I WAS HEADED THIS WAY. AND I TURNED AROUND RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE I, I STOPPED HERE. I SAW A PICKUP UP THERE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. BUT I STOPPED HERE, BACKED IN AND TURNED AROUND, TO THE KILL LOCATION. AND THERE WAS A PICKUP THERE AND AS HE DROVE BY AND I WAVED AT HIM. IT WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT. CB: REALLY? GMH: YEAH. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS THAT CLOSE. IT WAS THAT CLOSE. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED EITHER. CB: OKAY. GMH: WHICH IS, I TOLD HER JUMP IN THE VAN AND LET'S GO. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED THE WHOLE TRIP AROUND, MAN. (COUGH) CB: OKAY. THE UH . . . (PAUSE) . . . UH, I, I GOTTA ASK YOU THIS. WAS THERE ANY UH, SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN YOU TWO? GMH: NO CB: AND, AND KEEP IN MIND NOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND OUT, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING YOU NOW IF IT, IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, WAS THERE ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU? GMH: YES. CB: THERE WAS? GMH: YES. ONE TIME. FIRST NIGHT. I TOLD HER, HONEY, UH, IT WASN'T FORCIBLE, BUT OF COURSE IT WAS UNWANTED . . . CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: SO IT WAS RAPE. BUT IT WASN'T FORCIBLE. CB: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: UH, AND I TOLD HER, HONEY, I TOLD YOU I WAS GONNA LET YOU GO... CB: UH HUH. GMH: YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, YOU'VE RUN ME ALL OVER NORTH GEORGIA. MADE ME PUT A HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES ON MY VAN. WE STILL DON'T, YOU LIED TO ME, YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, GIVE ME SOME PUSSY. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND SHE DID. I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN . . . CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. CB: I UNDERSTAND. GMH: IT WAS. IT WAS UNWANTED. THIS IS IT UH, UP HERE. UH, HOLD IT. JUST KEEP GOING. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE JUST GOING TO, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE IT. THIS IS GONNA BE IT. SEE, IT'S DOWN HILL AND THEN THERE'S A (UI) TURN LEFT, GO UP, THERE'S A PARKING LOT TO THE RIGHT OF THE UH, GATE UP THERE. BY THE PARKING LOT. PARKING SPACE. SS: HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE GATE? GMH: AND YOU'LL GO UH, FROM THE GATE, OH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, PULL OVER HERE AND LEAVE ROOM FOR THESE GUYS . . . AND YOU SEE ALL THESE TREES LINING THE ROAD OR . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OKAY. WELL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GO DOWN, OH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE FORTY, FIFTY FEET, TO THE RIGHT. GO THROUGH THESE TREES. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF, OF TREES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. STEP OVER THESE TREES, GET DOWN MORE INTO WHERE IT'S CLEAR. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER TREE DOWN ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. THIS WAY. CB: HOW FAR DOWN? GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET. (UI) GMH: WALK THE ROAD. CUT RIGHT. YEAH, 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY THICK TO GET THROUGH. (UI) JC: THIRTY YARDS? CB: YOU WANT TO WALK HIM OUT THERE AND GET HIM TO SHOW YOU? GMH: YOU WANT ME TO WALK OUT THERE? JC: YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND. CB: HE'S NOT CUFFED. HE'S NOT CUFFED. SS: GOT LEG IRONS ON? CB: YEAH, HE'S GOT LEG IRONS. (NOISE, UI) CB: (UI) (NOISE) CB: MR. HILTON. GMH: HUH? CB: AS WE WALK I'M GONNA ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE THINGS, OKAY? IF YOU DON'T MIND. GMH: UM HUM, SURE (NOISE, DOOR CLOSES) GMH: I'M GONNA SECURE THESE GLASSES, THROW THESE GLASSES RIGHT, RIGHT THERE. CB: OKAY. I WILL REMEMBER THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE. OKAY? GMH: OKAY. (NOISE) CB: WRAP THAT BLANKET AROUND YOU. I KNOW YOU GET KINDA COLD. BUT REMEMBER YOU GOTTA SHUFFLE FEET NOW ON THOSE THINGS. ALRIGHT? GMH: OKAY. CB: UH, MR. HILTON, CAN I ASK YOU THIS RIGHT QUICK? GMH: YEAH. CB: YOU UH, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ONE SEXUAL ENCOUNTER. GMH: YEAH. CB: WAS, WAS THAT THE ONLY ONE? GMH: YEAH. CB: THERE WASN'T ANYTHING POST-MORTEM, RIGHT? GMH: NO. CB: OKAY. GMH: OH, NO. AND UH, THAT WAS IT, UH, UH, AND IT WASN'T WORTH IT. CB: ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW US WHERE WE NEED TO TURN OFF INTO THE WOODS AND WE'LL CALL THAT IT. (WALKING) SS: WANT ME TO TURN THEM LIGHTS ON? JC: YEAH. GMH: YEAH. GMH: LET ME UH, LET ME WALK UP HERE . . . (NOISE, UI) GMH: MAYBE I CAN GET, PUT YOUR LIGHT AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET UP THROUGH THERE . . . CB: NO, THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN JUST STAY RIGHT THERE. OKAY, MR. HILTON? GMH: OKAY. CB: LET US, LET THEM CHECK FIRST. GMH: GO ON THROUGH, GET THROUGH UNTIL THE WOODS THIN OUT. AND THEN LOOK KINDA TO YOUR LEFT. YOU'LL SEE A LONG TREE TRUNK LAYING THERE. ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. OR ALIGNED WITH THE ROAD MORE OR LESS. AND THEN LOOK ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF IT TOWARDS THE WEST END. OR YOUR LEFT END. (NOISE) CB: HEY, JOHN. JC: YEAH. CB: REMEMBER THERE SHOULD BE SOME CLOTHING ABOUT, HOW FAR? GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET UH, WEST OR . . . CB: TWENTY FEET TO YOUR LEFT. GMH: TO YOUR LEFT. AND . . . CB: DOWN THAT WAY. GMH: THEY ARE GONNA BE BURIED MORE OR LESS IN KIND OF A DEPRESSION IN THE GROUND, NOT BURIED, BUT COVERED WITH LEAVES . . . CB: COVERED WITH LEAVES IN KIND OF A HOLE IN THE GROUND. GMH: YEAH. CB: ABOUT TWENTY FEET TO THE LEFT OF YOU. GMH: IT'LL BE HER SWEAT CLOTHES, SWEATSHIRT, AND UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY WILL BE THE BLOODY WHITE BAGS THAT THE UH, ALL THE ITEMS HAD BEEN CONTAINED IN. I'M GONNA STEP OVER HERE AND TINKLE IF I MAY? MAY I? CB: UH, NO. YOU MAY NOT. STEP RIGHT BACK UP HERE WITH ME AND WE WILL. GMH: OKAY. CB: WE ARE TECHNICALLY IN A . . . GMH: OKAY, OKAY. CB: A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. WE DON'T WANT YOU DOING IT RIGHT HERE. (LAUGHS) GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN, UH, CONTAMINATING THE CRIME SCENE? CB: WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MUCH ISSUE WITH IT NOW, BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL WALK RIGHT UP HERE AND LET YOU HANDLE THAT. OKAY? GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN TECHNICALLY IN AN UNSECURED ENVIRONMENT. NO. OKAY, OKAY. YOU TELL ME. IS IT OKAY? CB: HOLD, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. OKAY. WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO THESE GENTLEMEN AND WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT? (NOISE) UM: (UI) GMH: YES. BUT THERE ARE TWO BLOODY WHITE BAGS NEARBY ALSO SEPARATELY COVERED UP. THERE'S NOTHING IN THEM, THEY JUST CONTAINED ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE FOUND. CB: THEY'RE JUST TWO WHITE TRASH BAGS HAVE SOME BLOOD ON THEM THAT USED TO CONTAIN THE CLOTHING. GMH: AND THE HEAD. CB: AND THE HEAD. UM: TWO WHITE BAGS (UI) GMH: ALTHOUGH I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHICH WAY THEY, THEY, THEY'RE AT. YOU KNOW. THEY WERE JUST . . . I DON'T REMEMBER (UI) CB: JOHN. I'M GONNA ESCORT HIM BACK UP OUTSIDE THE FENCE AND LET HIM UH . . . JC: STAND BY JUST A SECOND AND LET ME GET TO YOU. CB: ALRIGHT. (NOISE) CB: I APOLOGIZE. WE ACTUALLY MOVED UPHILL FROM WHERE WE WERE. GMH: YEAH. WELCOME TO CROSS COUNTRY. CB: ALRIGHT. JC: CLAY. CB: YES SIR. JC: (UI) CB: ALRIGHT. (NOISE) JC: UH, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN TRANSPORT HIM BACK. CB: OKAY. JC: WE FOUND . . . CB: SHERIFF. JC: DO YOU NEED TO (UI) I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, SOME KIND OF TOOL, A TIRE TOOL, SOMEWHERE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS? CB: YES, I KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT. UH . . . JC: DO Y'ALL THINK HE'S IN, DO THINK YOU NEED TO KEEP HIM HERE ANY LONGER? CB: NO, AND, AND I WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NEED BE COULD WE COME BACK AND, AND DISCUSS MAYBE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT'S POSSIBLY ABOUT UH, LOCATIONS ON THE TIRE TOOL IF WE DON'T FIND IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. JUST TO SURE UP THIS, THIS (UI). GMH: I CAN CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU RIGHT THERE. GO TO THE GAS STATION. CB: IN CUMMING. GMH: IN CUMMING. CB: UH HUH. GMH: GO TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: PULL UP. CB: UH HUH. GMH: GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH, WELL YOU BETTER, WRITE IT, GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, IN OTHER WORDS THERE'S ONE SPACE NEXT TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEN THE SECOND PARKING, SECOND THIRD, SECOND OR THIRD PARKING SPACE NORTH . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: OF THE AIR PRESSURE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: THEN EAST OF THAT IS A GRASS BORDER OR APRON WHICH GOES AROUND THE STATION. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S A FENCE, OR A IRON, UH, THERE'S A FENCE. . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: OF A TYPE THERE. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UH, AND IT WOULD BE, IF A VEHICLE WERE PARKED NOSE IN INTO THAT SPACE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT WOULD BE UH, UH, FIVE FEET FROM THE NOSE OF THAT VEHICLE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S AT THE VERY EDGE OF THE GAS STATION PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A DROP OFF FROM THERE . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: LIKE AN ABUTMENT OR SOMETHING. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT IF IT'S STILL THERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT. JUST GO TO THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE. GO TO THE THIRD SPACE NORTH OF IT . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEN IT, YOU, IF, IF YOU PARK A VEHICLE IN THAT SPACE THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU'VE GONE NORTH. AND THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST. CB: OKAY. GMH: THE GAS STATION IS BEHIND YOU. THE (UI) THE GAS STATION . . . (BACKGROUND TALKING, RE MOVING A CAR) CB: YES. GMH: OKAY. CB: OKAY. UH, I THINK . . . GMH: AND THAT . . . CB: . . . I GOT THE GIST OF IT. GMH: OH, YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU . . . CB: LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, IF, IF WE DIDN'T FIND THE KNIFE IN THAT DUMPSTER WHERE WOULD IT BE? GMH: I DON'T KNOW. CB: OKAY. BUT YOU THINK YOU EITHER DISCARDED IT THERE OR THE ONE IN THE CAMP . . . GMH: THAT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S PRETTY . . . CB: . . . WHERE YOU WERE PARKED? GMH: IT'S PRETTY MUCH BE, GOTTA BE THERE. CB: OKAY. GMH: OR, BUT . . . CB: THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO DUMPSTERS THAT YOU DISCARDED ANYTHING IN. GMH: RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, AND THAT THERE, THAT THERE. YEAH. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GMH: YEAH, YEAH. SO IT SHOULD BE IN THERE. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD ENOUGH. GMH: YOU CAN'T . . . CB: SHERIFF. SS: ON MY WAY. CB: ALRIGHT. (NOISE, DOOR CLOSES) SS: (UI) GONNA TRY TO COME (UI) GMH: OH, THAT'S THE BEST WAY. SS: OH, IS IT? GMH: OH, YEAH. YEAH. LOOK, LOOK WHERE I PUT HER. YOU, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE BEST WAY RIGHT THERE. SS: WELL . . . UH . . . (NOISE) CB: I THINK HE GOT OUT ANYWAY. (UI) CB: WE MAY NEED TO GET THE TRUCK UP HERE OR SOMETHING. UH, MR. HILTON WE'LL LET YOU GO RIGHT UP HERE . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: AND UH, THEN SHERIFF WILL PROBABLY BE TRANSPORTING YOU BACK OR SOMEBODY WILL ANYWAY. GMH: OKAY. CB: UH, I ASSUME THAT Y'ALL WILL NOT HAVE ME ON THE RIDE BACK, BUT UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD ME THAT YOU THINK I NEED TO KNOW? GMH: NO. ABSOLUTELY. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . GMH: IF THERE'S ANY POINT IN YOUR MIND THAT IS UNCLEAR, ASK. CB: WELL . . . GMH: BUT I, YOU'VE GOT IT TIED UP. WE RUSHED A LITTLE AT THE END BUT IT WAS . . . CB: I'M UH . . . GMH: . . . (UI) YOU KNOW. CB: WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M KINDA CURIOUS ABOUT THE CHAINS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE FLOOR OF YOUR VEHICLE. GMH: YEAH. CB: WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS INCIDENT? I MEAN, WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT YOU WERE PLANNING ON DOING THIS TIME OR . . . NS: I THINK HE ANSWERED THAT. HE SAID HE WAS HAULING A GENERATOR. CB: OH, OKAY. NS: (UI) GMH: WELL, I HAD TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT I LIKE TO SECURE. ONE IS THE GENERATOR INSIDE THE VAN AND A HAND TRUCK . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: A NEW SEVEN FOOT HAND TRUCK WHICH . . . CB: RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY DURING THIS INCIDENT THEY WEREN'T THERE. GMH: NO THEY WEREN'T, BUT THEY HAVE STAYED . . . CB: WHEN YOU BROUGHT THEM . . . GMH: THEY HAVE STAYED IN THE VAN. CB: RIGHT. SO, SO, THEY WEREN'T ATTACHED TO THE FRAME AT THAT POINT. WAS, WAS THAT THE CASE THAT YOU WANTED TO USE THOSE TO CHAIN HER TO IF YOU BROUGHT HER DOWN? NS: I GUESS HE'S ASKING, AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALREADY . . . CB: I THINK HE'S ASKING IF IT'S OKAY . . GMH: NO. THEY, THEY WERE . . . UM: IF THEY WERE ALREADY ATTACHED (UI) GMH: . . . THEY WERE, THEY WERE LEFT THERE ATTACHED SO THE GENERATOR IS NORMALLY STORED BEHIND THE DRIVER'S SEAT. CB: WELL, WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME IS WHAT I'M SAYING. GMH: YEAH, YEAH. CB: THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME (UI) GMH: OH, NO, THE GENERATOR WASN'T THERE BUT THE CHAIN WAS JUST LEFT IN PLACE. AND IT WAS REALLY CARRIED IN ERROR THAN UH, NORMALLY I WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE IT IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE GENERATOR WITH ME. CB: OKAY. OKAY. GMH: BUT IT WAS JUST, THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR JUNK THAT, JUST LIKE THE TRUNK OF YOUR CAR. YOU END UP WITH YOUR GOLF CLUBS IN THERE . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: YOU'RE NOT PLAYING GOLF . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND SO FORTH. CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . GMH: CAN I TINKLE OVER HERE SOMEWHERE? CB: YEAH. LET'S GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. (UI) CB: DO, DO WHAT? (UI, NOISE) GMH: (UI) TRUCK JUST LIKE THAT THAT DROVE RIGHT PAST US UP THERE. (UI) CB: YEAH. GMH: HE LOOKED RIGHT AT ME AND I WAVED AND SHE WAS JUST LAYING THERE. CB: RIGHT HERE'S A DECENT SPOT. GMH: OKAY. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. CB: NO, WE KNOW THAT. GMH: (LAUGHS) LITTLE LATE FOR THAT NOW. NO THAT'S FINE. I DON'T NEED A LIGHT TO PEE. IT'S GONNA TAKE ME A LITTLE BIT. UM: OKAY, THAT'S FINE. GMH: I HAVE AN ENLARGED PROSTATE SO I CAN'T HOLD IT AND I CAN'T GO. (PAUSE) CB: I MAY HAVE TO BORROW YOUR CHARGER, SHERIFF. OH, WELL, ACTUALLY IT MAY BE MY CHARGER. WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CHARGER? SS: THAT'S ONE I GOT TWO. CB: OH, OKAY, OKAY. SS: I GOT THREE (UI) HERE. CB: YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. SS: WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME SWITCHING OUT (UI) CB: DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR OTHER, DO YOU WANT YOUR OTHER GUYS TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK AND YOU HANG AROUND, OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT. UH, HE SHOULD BE READY TO GO BACK. SS: DEATON AND ME. WE MAY HANG AROUND UP THERE. Y'ALL DON'T CARE. CB: YEAH. NO, NO, NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT UH, I . . . WHO, WHO, WHOEVER YOU CAN GET TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK . . . SS: (UI) THEY'S FOUR (UI) CB: IS THEY ROOM FOR UH . . . GMH: I DROPPED A UH . . . CB: (UI) GMH: I UH, I'M GONNA PICK THIS UP I DROPPED, DROPPED THAT RIGHT THERE (UI) Y'ALL THINK IT'S PART OF THE CRIME SCENE OR . . . THEY'LL BE ANALYZING THIS THING. YEAH. OKAY. (NOISE) CB: MR. HILTON, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU AND I'M GONNA DO IT IN FRONT OF YOUR ATTORNEY. I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK YOU ANYTHING WITHOUT HIM HERE. (NOISE) WAS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU AT ALL, TO, TO DO THIS? AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS . . . GMH: I, I KNOW. CB: AS FAR AS TAKE HER LIFE? WAS IT DIFFICULT AT ALL? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT IT . . . GMH: YEAH. CB: . . . OR WAS, YOU JUST NEEDED HER FOR A NECESSITY FOR YOU? GMH: NO, NO, IT . . . CB: IS THAT . . . GMH: BUT, IT WAS LIKE AN, AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS SURREAL . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: OF COURSE IT'S SURREALISTIC. CB: RIGHT. GMH: REMOVING A HEAD IS JUST UNREAL. CB: RIGHT. GMH: UNREAL. CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK BACK ON IT AND YOU SAY, THAT WASN'T EVEN REAL. CB: UH HUH. GMH: I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I WAS JUST IN UH, YOU MIGHT SAY AN ALTERED STATE? I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. IT WAS HARD. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS HARD. CB: OKAY. GMH: IT WAS HARD. I, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WE HAD UH, SPENT SEVERAL GOOD DAYS TOGETHER ACTUALLY. CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. GMH: ACTUALLY SHE DID NOT HAVE A UNPLEASANT TIME . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: CONSISTENT WITH BEING . . . CB: RIGHT. GMH: KIDNAPED. NOT AN UNPLEASANT, SHE COOPERATED, WE, WE DID ALL THE CAMPING ACTIVITIES TOGETHER. CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE, EVERY TIME WE WOULD LOAD AND UNLOAD SHE WOULD HELP ME LOAD AND UNLOAD. CB: UH HUH. GMH: WHEN WE HAD TO SUDDENLY MOVE WHEN THAT UH, TANK TRUCK UH, GOT STUCK AND . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: . . . THE GUY SAID I'M CALLING NINE ONE ONE, I CAN'T GET SERVICE, I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GO. COME ON. CB: UH HUH. GMH: JUST GRAB EVERYTHING. BOY SHE JUMPED RIGHT IN THERE WITH ME, THREW EVERYTHING IN. CB: UH HUH. GMH: SO WE WAS JUST, AND WE HAD THE DOGS AND, THE DOGS SLEPT THERE IN THE FRONT. HER DOG SLEPT IN MY . . . CB: AND YOU ACTUALLY TURNED HER DOG LOOSE IN, IN CUMMING . . . GMH: YEAH, YEAH I, I CHOSE THAT LOCATION BECAUSE UH, WELL NUMBER ONE THERE WAS A PIZ, IT WAS A BUSTLING AREA . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT WAS STILL EARLIER ENOUGH IN THE DAY, PLENTY OF PEOPLE. THERE WAS A PIZZA TO GO PLACE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND BEHIND IT WHERE I TURNED THE DOG LOOSE THE PIZZA DELIVERY BOYS WERE CONGREGATING . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: THEY HAD A PICNIC TABLE THERE. THEY WERE SMOKING CIGARETTES, AND I FELT AT THE VERY LEAST THE DOG WOULD WALK UP TO THEM AND SMELL THE PIZZA, THERE WAS THAT, IT WAS REALLY THAT KROGER, YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN TO THAT PLACE THERE . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND UH . . . CB: I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. GMH: IT'S A BUSTLING, BUSTLING CENTER. YOU KNOW. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND I KNEW THAT THE DOG WOULD BE PICKED UP. CB: YOU KNEW THE DOG (UI) GMH: AND I, I ALSO, ALSO, ALSO KNEW THE DOG WAS MICROCHIPPED. CB: HOW'D YOU KNOW THAT? GMH: SHE TOLD ME. CB: SHE TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS MICROCHIPPED? GMH: YEAH. I UH, SHE TOLD ME . . . CB: DID YOU ASK HER IF IT WAS GPS'D OR . . .OR IF IT WAS UH, JUST SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW WHOSE IT WAS OR . . . GMH: NO, I ASKED HER HOW SHE, WE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. CB: UH HUH. GMH: UH, ABOUT EVERYTHING. HISTORY, UH, AND EVERYTHING. CB: UH HUH. GMH: OKAY. AT ANY RATE I ASKED HER WHERE SHE UH, HOW, SHE TOLD ME THE STORY OF WHERE SHE GOT THE DOG FROM. CB: UH HUH. GMH: SHE PAID A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS FOR IT FROM A RESCUE PLACE. THE DOG HAD ALL BEEN DONE, SPAYED, AND INNOCULATED, MICROCHIPPED . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: AND EVERYTHING. I KNEW THE DOG HAD A MICROCHIP. CB: UH HUH. GMH: IF I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT UH, NO ONE WOULD ASSOCIATE THE DOG WITH HER I WOULD HAVE KILLED THE DOG. CB: RIGHT. GMH: BUT THERE'S NO WAY I COULD DO THAT. CB: RIGHT. GMH: SO I WAS ACTUALLY RISKING MYSELF BY, IN, IN OTHER WORDS I KNEW IF THE DOG WAS PICKED UP BY ANIMAL CONTROL RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE OR SOMEONE PICKED IT UP AND GAVE IT TO ANIMAL CONTROL . . . CB: UH HUH. GMH: IT'D BE SCANNED. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEY WOULD FIND OUT IT WAS HER DOG. CB: RIGHT. GMH: AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A, ANOTHER LOCATION. CB: OKAY. GMH: SO I KNEW IT WAS MICROCHIPPED ALREADY. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY AT THAT TIME OF DAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO, IF IT HAD BEEN LATE AT NIGHT IN SOME, AGAIN, WHEN EVERYTHING HAD GOTTEN DESERTED AND ALL THE STORES CLOSED AND EVERYTHING. . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . I UH, WOULDN'T HAVE FELT, DONE, YOU KNOW, FELT RIGHT ABOUT THAT. CB: OKAY. GMH: BUT I KNEW THE DOG UH, BEFORE NIGHTFALL WOULD, WOULD UH, WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE, WOULD, WOULD GO UP TO SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY THOSE PIZZA BOYS. I WAS JUST A HUNDRED YARDS FROM THE PIZZA BOYS OUT BACK AND, AND . . . CB: OKAY. GMH: . . . SO FORTH AND THEY WOULD SEE THE DOG OR SOMEONE WOULD SEE THE DOG AT THE GAS STATION OR THE KROGER. AND SOMEONE CERTAINLY WOULD CALL ANIMAL CONTROL. CB: OKAY. GMH: AND CERTAINLY THE POLICE COME THROUGH THERE REGULARLY AND . . . CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. UH . . . IS THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE? GMH: I'LL LET MY ATTORNEY ANSWER. NS: UH, WE'RE NOT . . . CB: I UNDERSTAND. NS: (UI) THE AGREEMENT WAS HE WOULD ONLY BE ASKED ABOUT THIS. CB: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHUT THIS OFF AT APPROXIMATELY SEVEN THIRTY P.M. (END)
Campbell addressed critics who said Florida shouldn’t spend the money to bring Hilton to Tallahassee.
“This isn’t about money,” he said. “This is about justice. This is about the lady that he murdered very viciously in cold blood in our state.”
It’s possible that Hilton will be connected to other crimes, Campbell said.
“We are highly suspicious because of his modus operandi, if you will, that there are other crimes that should have been attributed to him that have been undiscovered so far,” he said. “He was a very calculating, ruthless, dangerous man was roaming through our society and preying on unsuspecting people.”
Sheriff Campbell, has GMH's number! If Cheryl, receives Justice, it will be worth the expense, and if more victims are revealed, that would make an even better investment!
I Salute the Florida Justice System, for proscecuting GMH, to the fullest extent of the law!
By Tyrra B Meserve Greene Publishing, Inc. Since the beginning of time, within every culture, in every society, there have been those who are incapable of adapting and blending within the boundaries of their communal environment. Driven by a force that is incomprehensible to the peers upon which they prey, they feed on the terror and panic their crimes leave in the heart of the community. Unable to control their carnal desires for more than just brief moments, they reside in the dark recesses of the mind, opportunistically seizing victims to compensate for shortcomings they themselves are unable to overcome. Behind false smiles, it is truly then that the eyes become the window to the soul, or in some cases, the lack thereof. In most instances, the serial killer acts alone, extracting pleasure from the anonymity that he presents. However, in rare cases, these predators find in each other a kindred mind, linking up to work together, proving the old adage of water seeking its own level, even for heinous reasons. Whether the union is long-term, or short-lived, these serial killing partners present a unique problem for law enforcement officers trying to solve crimes. Recent developments have allowed Gary Michael Hilton to be charged with the murder of Meredith Emerson, and Cheryl Dunlap, however, questions still remain regarding Hilton’s involvement with other unsolved murders. It is currently under investigation as to whether Hilton is indeed a serial killer, and, if so, how many other victims did he claim, and, in what areas. In a recent interview with a Madison County resident, there has also now arisen the question as to if Hilton acted entirely alone. Debra Stephens, a Madison resident for many years, recalls a strange event that took place back in 2000. A local, who knew some of the more obscure river access points and sun-bathing spots, was taking advantage of a warm summer’s day and the company of her dogs. As she was lying on her towel, soaking up rays, Stephens was startled by her companions barking. “There’s canoers who go up and down the river all the time,” she said “so I didn’t think anything of it at first. Then I noticed there weren’t any other boats in the water and the dogs were focusing up the hill on the other bank.” Following their line of sight, Stephens noticed two men standing at the top of the hill, on the other side of the river, watching her. “I thought it was kind of odd when I noticed they were wearing blue jeans, sunglasses and boots. Not really boating clothes, if you know what I mean.” When the men stepped back into the shadows of the trees and did not reappear, Stephens said her apprehension abated a bit and she returned to sunbathing. Then, a few minutes later, the dogs started barking again and Stephens, now nervous, looked around once more. The dogs, trotting ahead of her, rounded a close bend and Stephens walked straight down to the waters edge to get a better view. “This older guy was paddling down in a canoe and it looked as though he was having a time of it. It was only he and his dog. At first, he asked if this was where they picked up the people for canoe rides. When I said no, this is private property, he kind of looked around, up the hill where the two guys had been.” It was at this point that Stephens said the older man looked like he accidentally flipped the canoe, trapping the dog underneath. As Stephens was debating whether or not she should jump in and help, she noticed the man glancing up, occasionally looking up towards where she had seen the other two men earlier. “He made it to the other bank and acted like he was going to lift the canoe,” Stephens remembered, “but then he just kept looking around and his dog was just laying there. His dog didn’t bark back at my dogs or anything. It was weird. It was almost like the dog had been through this before and he was trained.” When the man fell to the ground, he appeared to accidentally push his canoe back into the water where it started to float downstream. Deciding to lend a hand, Stevens started to get into the water on the opposite bank. “I looked up and there was one of the guys I had seen earlier, about halfway down the hill. I shouted up to him Hey, that man needs help, but he just looked at the older man, turned around and walked back up into the trees.” Stephens stopped the canoe from floating away, and then gave it a good shove back toward the old man on the bank. Deciding it was about time to head home, Stephens kept an eye on the man as she swam back to her side of the shore, gathered her things and got set to leave. “As I was walking back down the river bank to my truck, I glanced up the hill and there were those same two guys again. Well, one of them looked down at the older man and he looked back up at the guy and I thought they nodded at each other. When I passed by them on my side of the river, I remember thinking, now that’s weird; he doesn’t have anything in the canoe. Nothing, I mean, normally people have a life preserver, equipment, something. He didn’t. It was completely empty. Just him, his dog and a cane.” Stephens also found it disturbing that, as she passed the scene, both men that she had seen earlier had not only re-emerged, but they had picked up the canoe and were carrying it up the hill with the older man and his dog in tow. “I noticed that he wasn’t using his walking cane,” Stephens recalled. “He just followed them up the hill until they disappeared. That’s when I wondered how he had gotten the canoe down to the river by himself. There’s not a lot of places where we were at that you can drive up and drop a canoe, you have to hike it in and that didn’t seem like something he could have done by himself. “When I got home, I told a couple of people what had happened and they just told me I was nuts. I couldn’t help thinking that if I had gone over to their side of the river, I wouldn’t have made it back, but everyone I told laughed and said nobody was trying to get me, so I just pushed it to the back of my mind and tried to forget it.” Then, watching the news recently, Stephens got a jolt. A little thinner, a little older looking and worse for wear, Gary Michael Hilton looked like the man she had seen that day. “Naw,” Stephens said to herself. “I’m just spooked.” Letting it go once more, a week passed before on another airing of the local news, Stephens got a chance to hear Hilton speak. “I jumped out of my chair,” she said, “yelling, That’s Him! That’s the *!#* man from the river.” They were trying to get me,” Stephens stated with conviction “I know that now. I could feel that something wasn’t right. It was like they knew each other. It just felt wrong.” Sergeant Tim Baxter of the Leon County Sheriff’s Department was not able to give much information due to Hilton’s ongoing investigation; however, he is interested in connecting Stevens with the right authorities to take her statement. “The FBI is working with the different case investigators, developing a long term timeline for Hilton,” Baxter stated. “They are going back to before (Hilton) was born. So far, we believe he’s a loner, but we want to know where he’s been and whom he’s been seen with. We don’t want to rule out connections he may have to other cases.” As police still gather leads linking Hilton with other crimes, they are tracing his footsteps in the past. Only time will tell if police have caught all the right men. Staff writer Tyrra B Meserve can be reached at tyrra@greenepublishing.com
I swear I saw this guy 2 years ago when my girlfriend at the time and I were hinking off of Richard Russell Prkwy. I was well in front of my girlfriend and she had the dogs. He walked right past me and tried to chit chat with my gf. I stopped and turned to tell her to keep moving. I told her there was something wrong with that guy. He put off some really bad vibes. Right before he tried to speak with her another younger guy did also. I remember because he was trying to talk to her but watching what i was doing. I also recall when we got back to the car there was a white van parked next to us. I've always told her to stay away from white vans... Ric Spiva Clarkesville, GA Reply » |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#27 Jan 9, 2008 Bt: Sickened; Atlanta, GA
Several years ago, a hunter, local to the area, by the name of Leonard Sosebee, found a boot in the woods. He wondered what this could be doing so far from the norm. He picked the boot up to check it out because it just didn't seem right, and behold, inside was the bony skeletal remains of the foot. He contacted the Union County Sheriff's Office and after a search of the area, they find the skeleton of the body, still with the clothes, but minus a head. This happened within a mile of the area where Meredith Emerson was abducted. Could there possibly be a connection here? BY: Rick Spiva, Clarksville, GA Topix
Florida Murder Victim DecapitatedThe Leon County, Florida Sheriff's office now considers Gary Michael Hilton a prime suspect in the kidnapping and murder of Cheryl Hodges Dunlap in December. I mentioned yesterday that he might be linked to the murder and they are pretty sure now that it was him, enough that police are taking a closer look at Hilton.
Everything I had read up until this point says that her body was found December 17th but WSB TV in Atlanta is reporting that the body was found on December 19th. According to WSB-TV a state law enforcement source told them that Cheryl Dunlap was also decapitated as was Meredith Emerson.
Hilton was seen at a bond hearing this past Wednesday at which he was denied bond.
Some of the details from the autopsy are now starting to trickle out. Apparently Meredith Emerson was beaten to death and then decapitated. The believe that she was killed Friday night after having been held for three days. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is still waiting for the results of a rape kit administered during the autopsy to confirm or deny the suspicions that she was sexually assaulted. They have asked other law enforcement agencies including the FBI to help them in putting together a timeline of Hilton's whereabouts over the last few years.
WSB-TV is also reporting that the remains of Meredith Emerson were found in two different locations in Dawson County.
Investigators all over the southeastern portions of the country are looking at unsolved murders again and reopening investigations. All total Gary Michael Hilton is now considered a possible suspect in cases in Florida and North Carolina as well as three killing here in Georgia.
The family of Levi Frady, whose body was found in Dawson Forest in 1997 thinks that Hilton resembles two sketches of men that police were trying to locate back then. You can see the sketches over at WSB-TV.
The quote of the day in this case has to be from Gary Michael Hilton's attorney, Neil A. Smith:
“”there are significant mental health issues, I would thinkNeil A. Smith, Attorney for Hilton You Think?
There are plenty of mental health issues I am sure but that should not necessarily preclude frying the bastard. I don't guess we do that anymore but maybe they should make an exception for Hilton.
One of my commenters pointed at an article in the Gainesville Times a couple of days ago and I have been so bust at work that I haven't had the chance to read it until this morning. They questioned why, if Forestry officials had already encountered and had such problems with Hilton why he was still allowed in the area. Here is the text of the article:
“”Outdoor recreation experts have been inundated with questions about trail safety ever since hiker Meredith Emerson was abducted and subsequently murdered in the Northeast Georgia mountains last week.
"Everyone’s afraid now. Even myself," said David Foot, superintendent of Vogel State Park, where authorities and volunteers spent several days searching for Emerson. "This experience has been so intense for us here."
But at Amicalola Falls State Park, located near the starting point of the Appalachian Trail, resource manager Elisabeth Pinion said the recommendations for hiker safety haven’t changed.
"Be aware of your surroundings, and have a plan in the back of your mind," she said. "If you come upon a situation where you are uncomfortable, try to hike out with other people, if you can."
Foot said he has always advised people not to hike alone, and it’s not just because of fears about crime.
"If you get hurt out there, you’ll need someone with you who can go for help," he said.
However, Foot acknowledges that many hikers go into the wilderness specifically to enjoy the solitude, and they prefer not to have a partner.
"In that case, you should always give someone your itinerary and when you plan to be back," he said.
Foot said there’s no particular item a hiker can bring along that will necessarily keep them safe.
"Guns are not allowed in state parks," he said. "Some women carry mace, but that’s not a cure-all. And a dog is not protection either."
Having a cell phone is a good idea, Foot said, except that it’s difficult to get signal reception in the mountains.
"Technology is fallible," he said. "The best advice I can give anyone is to go with your gut feeling. Always question the intentions of people you encounter."
A lot of hikers had a "gut feeling" about Gary Michael Hilton, the 61-year-old man who has been charged with Emerson’s murder. The two met near Blood Mountain on New Year’s Day, and Hilton allegedly killed Emerson in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area three days later.
"This guy’s been on our radar since March," said Winton Porter, owner of Mountain Crossings at Walasi-Yi, a hiking gear store located on U.S. 129 east of Blood Mountain, very close to the parking lot where Emerson left her car on Jan. 1.
Porter said Hilton, who was apparently homeless, spent months migrating up and down the Appalachian Trail.
"He was squatting at the Gooch Gap shelter," Porter said. "He knew that according to Forest Service rules, he could stay at a shelter for two weeks, leave for a day, then stay another two weeks. He had (stuff) scattered all over the shelter. He took over the place and wouldn’t let anyone else stay there. We also had reports of him at Slaughter Gap shelter a couple weeks ago."
That was why investigators were able to quickly identify Hilton as a "person of interest" in the case. Most Forest Service rangers in the area had encountered Hilton before, in response to complaints.
And after Hilton’s photo appeared in the media, many people recognized him. "Lots of my customers are now saying, ‘Yeah, I ran into that guy.’" Porter said. "One customer said they met him on the trail Saturday (the day after Emerson is believed to have been killed)."
Porter said every person seemed to have the same reaction to Hilton.
"People said he was ‘twitchy.’ He’d be polite one minute and rude the next," Porter said. "Sometimes he would just stare really hard at people. Other times he acted like he was seeing something that wasn’t there."
Hilton also didn’t look like a typical hiker.
"We have a high tolerance for strangeness on the trail," said Porter. "But we get a sense of who’s fitting in and who’s not. There are people we call ‘duffle-bag’ hikers, people who usually are carrying improper gear. They typically don’t stay very long on the trail. This guy was an exception."
Because Hilton was essentially living either in his van or at free campsites, he had possessions with him that a recreational backpacker wouldn’t carry, Porter said.
"The guy had a pack that was probably 20 years old, with all these pots and pans hanging off of it," he said. "In the city, he would have been the guy you see pushing the grocery cart."
Brian King, spokesman for the Appalachian Trail Conservancy, the caretaker organization for the 2,175-mile trail, said you can also get clues about a person from what they say.
"Hikers tend to talk about things like food and water," he said. "If someone comes up to you and says, ‘Nice outfit,’ that would be a red flag. Hikers don’t comment on other hikers’ fashions."
Since almost everyone who encountered Hilton had a negative reaction, the unanswered question is why Emerson, a 24-year-old Colorado native and experienced hiker, apparently did not perceive him as a threat.
"Her friends told me she would not have gone with someone she didn’t trust," Foot said.
Many people have speculated that Emerson assumed Hilton was friendly because he hiked with a dog, just as she did. But what transpired between the two on Jan. 1 may never be fully known.
Fortunately, King said, violent criminals are extremely rare in the wilderness, even on the heavily traveled Appalachian Trail.
"In the past 34 years, there have been six murder incidents, with eight victims, on or near the AT," he said. "But if you consider how many people use the AT, your chances of a violent death along the trail are about one in 15 million."
King said in five of the six cases, the perpetrator was described as a "drifter" like Hilton. Only in one incident did a fellow hiker kill another.
He said one of the previous murders did occur in Georgia, at Low Gap shelter in 1974.
"The most dangerous places for hikers are close to roads," King said. "We have since moved most of our shelters away from roads, to deter crime."
The Appalachian Trail is unique in having numerous permanent shelters along the way, so backpackers can have a place to stay without setting up a tent. But sleeping in a shelter requires a willingness to share space with strangers, whose intentions may be questionable.
"We always tell women (not to) go into an empty shelter and unpack all your gear for the evening. Wait to see who else shows up," Porter said. "If you feel uncomfortable, leave and set up camp somewhere else."
But campers can also be targeted by criminals. "In 1996, two women camping off an AT approach trail in Shenandoah National Park were murdered," King said. "That incident got a lot of publicity, and it led to the writing of the book ‘Trail Safe.’"
Subtitled "Averting Threatening Human Behavior in the Outdoors" and authored by Michael Bane, the book is sold at Mountain Crossings and is available online. Porter said he recommends it to his customers.
Paige Perkins, a Chamblee resident who frequently hikes in the Chattahoochee National Forest, said she hopes the recent tragedy does not discourage people from enjoying the outdoors.
"I think people who don’t hike believe there’s something to fear out in the wild, when it’s actually a thousand times more dangerous in the city," she said.
However, the beauty of the wilderness can blind people to the possible dangers.
"I think you do develop a sense of complacency out on the trail," Perkins said. "Bad things happen everywhere."
She said she is "hypervigilant" on the trail and never hikes alone. But of all the risks Perkins might expect to encounter, she said she never dreamed of anything as horrific as what happened to Emerson.
"Our minds just don’t wrap around that type of evil," she said. Debbie Gilbert, Gainesville Times As much as he does sound creepy it seems that he was staying within the law, which is why he was still allowed. Not only that but there just aren't enough forestry agents to police the Appalachian Trail or other parks. You want more law you have to pay them.
The question that was asked of me was pretty specific as to why David Foot could not have prevented the murder of Meredith Emerson. For one thing, Emerson is the superintendent of Vogel State Park, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the location she was killed at. One of the comments I saw at the article in the Gainesville Times mentioned that she was killed on the Appalachian, which is also not true.
Meredith Emerson was killed in Dawson Forest, which is located well south of Vogel and the Appalachian.
There is to be a memorial service for Emerson, today, January 11th. It will be open to the public since their has been such a great out-pouring of sympathy for Emerson and her family. The service will be at Central Presbyterian Church in Athens this afternoon.
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Categories:Meredith Emerson, News/Current Events/Weather, OTA This Garbage Spewed by Richard on January 11, 2008 Wolfscratch
This man (Hilton) stalked me at the Rainbow Springs State Park in Dunnellon, FL in February 2004.
I was walking my two dogs at the time, and that did not seem to phase him.
I had the creeps from the second I saw him. He tried to get to me even with my dogs there, when a park ranger drove up on his golf cart.
I ran to my car and was just getting into it when he came racing around the corner towards me. (He was in the front parking lot- I was in the very back.)
Had it not been for the park ranger, who knows what could have happened. There was another complaint about him a day or two before this.
He had Leon County tags...And a dog in the front seat.
I have been haunted by this man ever since, and I know that serial killers don't start killing at 61. He's been doing it for years.
I just wish that he had been caught before these poor people died that way. It breaks my heart.
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July 12, 2008 I had a conservation with a Retired City of Atlanta; Water Works Employee. He has had a hunting club adjacent to the Oconee Nat Forest, Monticello, GA, for 30 years. He confronted GMH, for camping on his leased land in November, 2005. He notified the Bridgemille Precinct of the Oconee County Sheriff's Dept, of the incident. Wolfscratch: Posted for timeline purposes.
TYPOLOGIES OF MURDER In essence serial murderers should include any offenders, male or female, who kill over time. Most researchers agree that serial killers have a minimum of 3-4 victims. Usually there is a pattern in their killing that may be associated with the types of victims selected or the method or motives for the killing. This includes murderers who, on a repeated basis, kill within the confines of their own home, such as a woman who poisons several husbands, children, or elderly people in order to collect insurance. In addition, serial murderers include those men and women who operate within the confines of a city or a state or even travel through several states as they seek out victims. Consequently, some victims have a personal relationship with their killers and others do not, and some victims are killed for pleasure and some merely for gain. Of greatest importance from a research perspective is the linkage of common factors among the victims-for example, as Egger (1985) observed, "victims' place or status within their immediate surroundings (such as vagrants, prostitutes, migrant workers, homosexuals, missing children, and single and often elderly women)" (p. 3). Commonality among those murdered may include several factors, any of which can prove heuristic in better understanding victimization.
Much of our information and misinformation about criminal offenders is based on taxonomies, or classification systems. Megargee and Bohn (1979) noted that researchers usually created typologies based on the criminal offense. This invariably became problematic because often the offense comprised one or more subgroups. Researchers then examined repetitive crime patterns, which in turn created new complexities and problems. Megargee and Bohn further noted that, depending on the authority one chooses to read, one will find between two and eleven different types of murderers (pp. 29-32). Although serial murder is believed to represent a relatively small portion of all homicides in the United States, already researchers have begun the difficult task of classifying serial killers. Consequently, various typologies of serial killers and patterns of homicides have emerged. Not surprisingly, some of these typologies and patterns conflict with one another. Some are descriptions of causation, whereas others are diagnostic in nature. In addition, some researchers focus primarily on individual case studies of serial killers, whereas others create group taxonomies that accommodate several kinds of murderers.
Wille (1974) identified ten different types of murderers covering a broad range of bio-socio-psychological categories:
1. depressive 2. psychotic 3. afflicted with organic brain disorder 4. psychopathic 5. passive aggressive 6. alcoholic 7. hysterical 8. juvenile (the child was the killer) 9. mentally retarded 10. sex killers
Lee (1988) also created a variety of labels to differentiate killers according to motive, including:
1. profit 2. passion 3. hatred 4. power or domination 5. revenge 6. opportunism 7. fear 8. contract killing 9. desperation 10. compassion 11. ritual
Even before American society became aware, in the early 1980s, of serial murder as anything more than an anomaly, researchers had begun to classify multiple killers and assign particular characteristics and labels to them. Guttmacher (1973) described the sadistic serial murderer as one who derives sexual gratification from killing and who often establishes a pattern, such as the manner in which they kill or the types of victims they select, such as prostitutes, children, or the elderly. Motivated by fantasies, the offender appears to derive pleasure from dehumanizing his or her victims. Lunde (1976) recognized and noted distinctions between the mass killer and the serial killer, notably that the mass killer appears to suffer from psychosis and should be considered insane. By contrast he found little evidence of mental illness among serial killers. Danto (1982) noted that most serial murderers may be described as obsessive-compulsive because they normally kill according to a particular style and pattern.
Some are descriptions of causation, whereas others are diagnostic in nature. In addition, some researchers focus primarily on individual case studies of serial killers, whereas others create group taxonomies that accommodate several kinds of murderers.
Wille (1974) identified ten different types of murderers covering a broad range of bio-socio-psychological categories:
1. depressive 2. psychotic 3. afflicted with organic brain disorder 4. psychopathic 5. passive aggressive 6. alcoholic 7. hysterical 8. juvenile (the child was the killer) 9. mentally retarded 10. sex killers
Lee (1988) also created a variety of labels to differentiate killers according to motive, including:
1. profit 2. passion 3. hatred 4. power or domination 5. revenge 6. opportunism 7. fear 8. contract killing 9. desperation 10. compassion 11. ritual
Even before American society became aware, in the early 1980s, of serial murder as anything more than an anomaly, researchers had begun to classify multiple killers and assign particular characteristics and labels to them. Guttmacher (1973) described the sadistic serial murderer as one who derives sexual gratification from killing and who often establishes a pattern, such as the manner in which they kill or the types of victims they select, such as prostitutes, children, or the elderly. Motivated by fantasies, the offender appears to derive pleasure from dehumanizing his or her victims. Lunde (1976) recognized and noted distinctions between the mass killer and the serial killer, notably that the mass killer appears to suffer from psychosis and should be considered insane. By contrast he found little evidence of mental illness among serial killers. Danto (1982) noted that most serial murderers may be described as obsessive-compulsive because they normally kill according to a particular style and pattern.
Researchers have been attempting to create profiles of the "typical" serial killer from the rapidly accumulating statistics on offenders and victims in the United States. The most stereotypical of all serial murderers are those who in some way are involved sexually with their victims. It is this type of killer who generates such public interest and alarm. Stories of young women being abducted, raped, tortured, and strangled appear more and more frequently in the newspapers.
"Born in Atlanta, Ga. to William E. Hilton and Cleo M. Reynolds, Gary Hilton once pursued a promising life. Although he had dropped out of high school, Hilton enlisted in the Army in 1964 and obtained his G.E.D. According to Military records, Hilton spent some time in Germany and received basic airborne training. After his honorable discharge in 1967 however, Hilton’s apparently upstanding lifestyle deteriorated into a spiraling series of failed marriages and encounters with the law. According to Georgia state records, Hilton received a divorce from his first wife in Miami in 1971 citing irreconcilable differences. He then married Dina Evonne Baugh in 1977 in DeKalb County, Ga., but that marriage lasted less than a year. On March 19, 1979, Hilton married his third wife, Betty Sue Edwards Galloway, who at the time was employed as a law enforcement officer for Atlanta’s Stone Mountain Park. Just seven months later, this marriage also ended in divorce. According to court records, Hilton had no children. None of his former wives could be reached for comment. Gary Hilton’s first known arrest was in 1972 for receiving stolen property in Miami-Dade County, Fla. Records show that case was eventually thrown out. Apparently looking for a fresh start, Hilton spent the remainder of the 1970s in Atlanta. It was in Georgia, where Hilton’s criminal record grew. He was charged in 1982 for marijuana possession and was sentenced to four years probation. Petty crimes continued to pock mark Hilton’s now widely publicized life as a nomadic camper. He was lasted as a fugitive by Georgia authorities from 1994 to 1995 for repeatedly scamming money from individuals in Marietta, Ga. According to court documents and victims who spoke with Inside Edition, Hilton repeatedly posed as an advocate for veterans and disabled children in order to dupe people into donating cash and checks that he claimed would be used for charitable causes. "He was a skilled con man in his own way," said Gary Hill. Hill and his brother Gene eventually banned Hilton from their business, G&H Horseshoe Sales, after the state of Georgia notified them Hilton preyed on people's kindness by posing as a representative of the Georgia Veterans Journal. Court records indicate Hilton never walked away with much money from his visits, but managed to swindle roughly $500 from his unsuspecting victims, some on a repeat basis, from 1990 to 1993. Gene Hill said he did not immediately correlate the shifty, quick speaking - albeit polite - Hilton with the aged, "wretch of a human being" he saw plastered across his television screen in connection with the gruesome decapitation of Emerson. Hilton has been charged with the murder of the 24 year old hiker. For Joan Farlow, a retired child daycare owner from Austell, Ga., the recent charges against Hilton evoked a sinking realization of the times he chatted her up at Smyrna Playskool to get a few dollars for his bogus charity. Farlow said she now fears his access to her school may have placed the scores of children entrusted to her at risk. "I guess you never think that people like that would come in contact with you. It always happens to somebody else," said Farlow, who assumed the school was donating to veterans. Hilton stopped popping by, she said, when apparently he got word that state authorities were after him. Authorities finally caught up to Hilton in May 1995 and arrested him on a warrant detailing 21 felony counts of unlawful solicitation and two misdemeanor counts of simple battery stemming from a violent episode in early 1995. In April, 1995, former roommate Christopher C. Johnson, who characterized Hilton as a “very odd” man, says he witnessed Hilton's violent persona when Hilton rented a room at Johnson’s Marietta, Ga., home for roughly six months. “He just had this erratic behavior with everything,” recalled Johnson, who now lives in eastern Mississippi. Never feeling threatened by Hilton, Johnson said the two mostly got along well, even joking about their third roommate, a man neither particularly liked. It was at this time that Hilton got into another wrangle with police when he physically attacked the third roommate in an attempt to throw him out of the house. Hilton was charged with two counts of simple battery that were later dismissed. Court records also show a judge ordered Hilton to serve five years probation in June 1995 after pleading guilty to 21 counts of unlawful charity solicitation. During his probation, he was forbidden from consuming alcohol or possessing a firearm. He was also ordered to pay $424 restitution and court fees. Prior to that incident, Johnson said Hilton, then in his late 40s, was harmless enough, taking his golden retriever for daily walks in nearby Kennasaw Mountain National Battlefield Park. It was also during this time Hilton showed Johnson a collapsible baton he brought on his walks for self protection – perhaps the same baton Georgia authorities believe may have been used as a weapon in Emerson’s death. But aside from having a bizarre personality – specifically a hyperactive, excited speech pattern and sometimes disturbing smile – Johnson said Hilton mostly kept to himself and always kept his knapsack nearby, as though he needed to leave in a moment's notice. Six months later, Hilton was arrested again in DeKalb County, Ga. for stealing books he was hired to sell for the American Book Display Company. Instead, he attempted to sell them for personal profit at a local flea market. Again, Hilton slipped through the clutches of a jail term and instead received five years probation and was ordered to pay $5,619 in restitution. It is not clear from court records if Hilton ever fulfilled his restitution payments.
From Inside Edition Marissa Yaremich INSIDE EDITION Staff
"Born in Atlanta, Ga. to William E. Hilton and Cleo M. Reynolds, Gary Hilton once pursued a promising life. Although he had dropped out of high school, Hilton enlisted in the Army in 1964 and obtained his G.E.D. According to Military records, Hilton spent some time in Germany and received basic airborne training. After his honorable discharge in 1967 however, Hilton’s apparently upstanding lifestyle deteriorated into a spiraling series of failed marriages and encounters with the law. According to Georgia state records, Hilton received a divorce from his first wife in Miami in 1971 citing irreconcilable differences. He then married Dina Evonne Baugh in 1977 in DeKalb County, Ga., but that marriage lasted less than a year. On March 19, 1979, Hilton married his third wife, Betty Sue Edwards Galloway, who at the time was employed as a law enforcement officer for Atlanta’s Stone Mountain Park. Just seven months later, this marriage also ended in divorce. According to court records, Hilton had no children. None of his former wives could be reached for comment. Gary Hilton’s first known arrest was in 1972 for receiving stolen property in Miami-Dade County, Fla. Records show that case was eventually thrown out. Apparently looking for a fresh start, Hilton spent the remainder of the 1970s in Atlanta. It was in Georgia, where Hilton’s criminal record grew. He was charged in 1982 for marijuana possession and was sentenced to four years probation. Petty crimes continued to pock mark Hilton’s now widely publicized life as a nomadic camper. He was lasted as a fugitive by Georgia authorities from 1994 to 1995 for repeatedly scamming money from individuals in Marietta, Ga. According to court documents and victims who spoke with Inside Edition, Hilton repeatedly posed as an advocate for veterans and disabled children in order to dupe people into donating cash and checks that he claimed would be used for charitable causes. "He was a skilled con man in his own way," said Gary Hill. Hill and his brother Gene eventually banned Hilton from their business, G&H Horseshoe Sales, after the state of Georgia notified them Hilton preyed on people's kindness by posing as a representative of the Georgia Veterans Journal. Court records indicate Hilton never walked away with much money from his visits, but managed to swindle roughly $500 from his unsuspecting victims, some on a repeat basis, from 1990 to 1993. Gene Hill said he did not immediately correlate the shifty, quick speaking - albeit polite - Hilton with the aged, "wretch of a human being" he saw plastered across his television screen in connection with the gruesome decapitation of Emerson. Hilton has been charged with the murder of the 24 year old hiker. For Joan Farlow, a retired child daycare owner from Austell, Ga., the recent charges against Hilton evoked a sinking realization of the times he chatted her up at Smyrna Playskool to get a few dollars for his bogus charity. Farlow said she now fears his access to her school may have placed the scores of children entrusted to her at risk. "I guess you never think that people like that would come in contact with you. It always happens to somebody else," said Farlow, who assumed the school was donating to veterans. Hilton stopped popping by, she said, when apparently he got word that state authorities were after him. Authorities finally caught up to Hilton in May 1995 and arrested him on a warrant detailing 21 felony counts of unlawful solicitation and two misdemeanor counts of simple battery stemming from a violent episode in early 1995. In April, 1995, former roommate Christopher C. Johnson, who characterized Hilton as a “very odd” man, says he witnessed Hilton's violent persona when Hilton rented a room at Johnson’s Marietta, Ga., home for roughly six months. “He just had this erratic behavior with everything,” recalled Johnson, who now lives in eastern Mississippi. Never feeling threatened by Hilton, Johnson said the two mostly got along well, even joking about their third roommate, a man neither particularly liked. It was at this time that Hilton got into another wrangle with police when he physically attacked the third roommate in an attempt to throw him out of the house. Hilton was charged with two counts of simple battery that were later dismissed. Court records also show a judge ordered Hilton to serve five years probation in June 1995 after pleading guilty to 21 counts of unlawful charity solicitation. During his probation, he was forbidden from consuming alcohol or possessing a firearm. He was also ordered to pay $424 restitution and court fees. Prior to that incident, Johnson said Hilton, then in his late 40s, was harmless enough, taking his golden retriever for daily walks in nearby Kennasaw Mountain National Battlefield Park. It was also during this time Hilton showed Johnson a collapsible baton he brought on his walks for self protection – perhaps the same baton Georgia authorities believe may have been used as a weapon in Emerson’s death. But aside from having a bizarre personality – specifically a hyperactive, excited speech pattern and sometimes disturbing smile – Johnson said Hilton mostly kept to himself and always kept his knapsack nearby, as though he needed to leave in a moment's notice. Six months later, Hilton was arrested again in DeKalb County, Ga. for stealing books he was hired to sell for the American Book Display Company. Instead, he attempted to sell them for personal profit at a local flea market. Again, Hilton slipped through the clutches of a jail term and instead received five years probation and was ordered to pay $5,619 in restitution. It is not clear from court records if Hilton ever fulfilled his restitution payments.
From Inside Edition Marissa Yaremich INSIDE EDITION Staff
FBI kills serial murder profile BY JAMES GORDON MEEK DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 10:13 PM
WASHINGTON - Hollywood's serial-killer stereotype - an anti-social white guy unable to stop murdering - is nothing but a Tinseltown tall tale, the FBI concludes in a new report.
"There's no one-size-fits-all profile," said Mark Hilts, chief of the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. "Don't get caught up looking for Hannibal Lecter."
After analyzing the views of 135 law enforcement, academic and mental health experts, the FBI's behavioral profilers determined "there is no generic profile of a serial murderer."
The only traits most predators have in common is they tend to be control freaks with a total lack of remorse for taking innocent lives, the 71-page FBI report determined. It also said their motive to kill is usually simply "because they want to."
The bureau zinged the media for its infatuation with such murders, beginning with Jack the Ripper, who taunted London cops in the 1880s.
The study blamed moviemakers for perpetuating the myths - even though the FBI cooperated on some films it now criticizes, including "The Silence of the Lambs," which made Hannibal the Cannibal famous.
As a result, FBI agents called in to help solve cases sometimes deal with local cops who assume the carnage is the work of leather-masked fiends with genius IQs, bureau officials said.
Contrary to popular belief, serial murderers often build careers and families even as their body count climbs, such as "Green River killer" Gary Ridgway, who snuffed out 48 prostitutes.
GMH' IQ is 150+ He is the Hannibal Lecture, of the 20th & 21st Century. He is evil, demonic, cannibal, ritual: Serial Killer, with no victim profile, only a preference...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Suspect Gary Michael Hilton to be questioned about Grinstead case!??
PERRY — Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents say they want to talk with police in Dawson County to see if accused murderer Gary Hilton had any connection to the disappearance of an Ocilla school teacher two years ago, despite differences in the cases. GBI Special-Agent-in-Charge Gary Rothwell said Friday that his office is interested in speaking with agents working the murder of 24-year-old Meredith Emerson, who was found dead after going for a hike in the North Georgia mountains. They say they’re doubtful that the suspect, Gary Michael Hilton, had any involvement.
The 61-year-old Hilton has been charged with malice murder and is being held in Dawson County. Leon County, Fla., authorities said Friday they intend to charge Hilton with the murder of 46-year-old Cheryl Hodges Dunlap, who was found dead in the Apalachicola National Forest.
Hilton may also be charged in connection with the deaths of a couple in North Carolina.
But Rothwell said that investigators are eager to chat with agents in Buford about any possible link between Hilton and missing Ocilla teacher Tara Grinstead, who vanished in October 2005 after a beauty pageant.
“The agent in charge of the investigation up there is very familiar with the Grinstead investigation, and so we’re interested in talking with them about the case,” Rothwell said. “But initial indications, at least the published reports, would suggest that what happened to the hiker and what happened in the Grinstead case are different in many ways and probably aren’t connected.”
Hilton, a former contractor in the Atlanta area, pointed police to Emerson’s body, which was found decapitated in a wooded area in Dawson County. Preliminary autopsy results show that Emerson was bludgeoned to death.
Without going into detail, Rothwell said that the methods used to kidnap and kill Emerson and Dunlap don’t mesh with the facts of the Grinstead investigation.
While the two victims Hilton is suspected of murdering were apparently abducted and killed in wooded areas, Grinstead was last seen at her home in Ocilla after a local beauty pageant.
“Right now, every law enforcement agency in the three-state area with open missing persons investigations are calling for information about him,” Rothwell said. “We’re just one of the ones in line.”
Rothwell said the investigation is still open in the disappearance of the former beauty queen and said that it will be until she’s found.
“I’m not retiring until we find her,” Rothwell said. cp by wolfscratch
A question came to me a few weeks ago concerning GMH's abandoned van(white co, GA) that was shipped to FL. The van was abandoned by GMH, over two years before the abduction of Cheryl Dunlap. The following video may answer the question as to why:
Gary Michael Hilton - Mahalo
Gary Michael Hilton, also known as Gary Hilton, is serving a life sentence ... van found (January 19, 2008); Winston-Salem Journal: "Sheriff: evidence links ... www.mahalo.com/Gary_Michael_Hilton - 34k - Cached - Similar pages
Partial list of Gary Michael Hilton Murder Suspected Victims:
Meredith Emerson John and Irene Bryant Cheryl Hodges Dunlap Michael Scott Lewis Rossana Miliani North Carolina authorities in another area of the state believe another disappearance and possible homicide can be tied to Gary Michael Hilton. A 26-year-old woman from Florida, Rossana Miliani, was hiking in western North Carolina and was last seen in Bryson City, N.C., on Dec. 7, 2005. www.hitsusa.com/1-good-ones/rossana-miliani.jpg" alt="Rossana Miliani" title="Rossana Miliani" width="259" height="250" align="textTop" />
A store clerk from Bryson City recently told private investigator Steve Siske that Miliani came into her store with a white man in his 60s and appeared nervous when they bought a backpack.
“He purchased a yellow backpack, indicating it was for Rossana, and a coat and pants for himself,” Siske said the clerk told him. “He told the clerk that he was a traveling preacher that goes from campground to campground. Rossana made no statements but appeared to be nervous.”
Wolfscratch: May his many, many victims rest in peace...
GMH, 'He read, he emulated many Serial Killers'...had no profile.. GMH, & Associates lived in our communities for decades, abducting and slaughtering our families, friends, and loved ones, oblivious to LE, and slipping through holes in the Justice system. 'How Sad, How Tragic' Silence, was his most effective tool...
Friday, January 11, 2008 Trail Safety by Gut Instinct There's an article in the Gainesville (GA) Times on 10 January 2008, written by Debbie Gilbert, and titled "Safe hiking: Trust your instincts." It provides some of the 'backstory' that preceded Meredith Emerson's murder, particularly comments from people who had met or observed the accused murderer. Here are a few paragraphs out of the middle of the article: "A lot of hikers had a "gut feeling" about Gary Michael Hilton, the 61-year-old man who has been charged with Emerson’s murder. The two met near Blood Mountain on New Year’s Day, and Hilton allegedly killed Emerson in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area three days later.
"'This guy’s been on our radar since March,' said Winton Porter, owner of Mountain Crossings at Walasi-Yi, a hiking gear store located on U.S. 129 east of Blood Mountain, very close to the parking lot where Emerson left her car on Jan. 1.
Porter said Hilton, who was apparently homeless, spent months migrating up and down the Appalachian Trail.
"'He was squatting at the Gooch Gap shelter,' Porter said. 'He knew that according to Forest Service rules, he could stay at a shelter for two weeks, leave for a day, then stay another two weeks. He had (stuff) scattered all over the shelter. He took over the place and wouldn’t let anyone else stay there. We also had reports of him at Slaughter Gap shelter a couple weeks ago'." A couple of state park officials are also quoted, as are an ATC rep and others. We'll probably never know whether or why Emerson trusted Hilton when others thought there was something fishy about him. Read this article, though.
"Very Important meeting that illustrates the 'SMOKE and MIRRORS' PR(Propaganda & Rumor) Strategy, used by Law Enforcement, and reported by the media(Local and National), in the Tragic Fiasco Labeled 'The Meredith Emerson Investigation'...
The last paragraph of Page 3, if not for the tragidc outcome, would be almost humorous... What galaxy are they living in.. Pay close attention to Page 4: Psychological Arrests: Keenan says that Gary Hilton, was stopped by LE in Three States, but was a 'Master' at preventing his arrest....
The 'Four Hour Response Time to the Marble Hill Huddle House' by the GBI & LE, on 01/03/08, was conviently omitted from the minutes of the meeting. Where were the GBI Helicopters on this date?
She should have been rescued. This Mission was far from being a Success. The Community and Meredith Hope Emerson's family needs to know the truth...the Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth...
May She Rest in Peace...
Glenn Adams
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PDF] Vice-Chairman Donald called the June Board meeting to order File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View finally, to Dawson County, where Meredith Emerson's body was recovered.... Since the Missing Persons file was set up in 1972, there are 608 women entered in that ... Lab to have scientists come in on Sunday to begin receiving some of DNA evidence.... how to keep law enforcement from not making an arrest on him.... gpstc.georgia.gov/vgn/.../cit.../106904179Boa...
From another forum Some info on Gary Hilton: verified from corrections records, unless otherwise stated:
StrangeThingsHappen said... Dec-5-09 12:03am I recently spent 2 days going through the Department of Corrections records made available to me on an Open Records Request and Subpoena.
A few things I found in Hilton's Department of Corrections records that stood out were: Hilton's testing showed he has an IQ of 102 WRAT scores: R-12.9, M-6.5, S-12.9 Hilton claims 14 years of education, received GED plus 2 years college, Spent 3 years in US Army, Infantry, 3/1964-3/1967 (age 18-21) received Honorable Discharge at E4 Rank, Hilton claims Flight Instruction training and Pilot Certification in 1970 after his discharge from Army. Hilton's father, William F. Hilton, is dead, and was killed by Hilton's step mother. Hilton claims No brothers and No sisters, Hilton is 3 times divorced, no children, no family support His Birth place was Atlanta, in Fulton County For Religion he claims none Hilton's natural Parents separated when he was less than age 5. Hilton was raised to age 14 by his natural mother Hilton spent some time in foster care from age 14-17 years old and then joined the Army at age 18. Hilton's mother, Cleo Reynolds (Hilton) Debag was later married to Nilo Debag who was deceased at age 90 in Broward, Florida on Nov. 1, 2006. Hilton's Mother age 84 now lives in SC and has no contact with him. There was not much mention of the MS or any special medical needs. Hilton claims his Parents had no drug or alcohol or arrest backgrounds Hilton claims to have been Homeless for 8 months after leaving John Tabor's house in Dekalb where he lived for 9 years until sometime in 2007. Hilton claims he escaped from a Dade Co. FL Juvenile. Det Center after being detained for 2 weeks for attempted murder of his Step-Father. Hilton claims he was Arrested 10 times as an adult, 5 times as a Juvenile. Hilton claims to have used drugs as a juvenile Claims the Age first arrested was 12 years old for breaking and entering (1958). Hilton admits to the 1982 firebombing of house of Ex-girlfriend's brother (the Green's) in an attempt to kill him, says the charges were dropped for lack of evidence. The younger sister who identified him was 17 at the time. Hilton was age 36. Hilton admits to past homosexual behavior, but denies current tendencies Hilton claims past excessive use of alcohol, Quaaludes, Amphetamines, Cocaine, and Marijuana, denies recent use of anything but Marijuana Hilton claims current Murder charges for Meredith Emerson are not due to drugs or alcohol Keep in mind these are mostly things Hilton is claiming.
I have commented many times concerning Gary Michael Hilton, torching his fiance's house in 1982, with occupants in Dekalb Co., GA. Why wasn't GMH, incarcerated since 1982? Why is the media(local & national)silent and not reporting this?
From a concerned citizen(GA Peach), who filed a FOIA request and after numerous delays: HE: Gary Michael Hilton ************************************************** *************
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs...urrentPage=529 He set two gallon jugs of gasoline in the carport of the Green family home with 2 strings leading up the driveway where he sat in his "BLACK CAMERO" ( A NEW CAR TO ADD TO THE LIST OF HIS VEHICLES) then set the strings on fire. They, Ms. Green and her family (her sister and brother) members heard a noise ran out of the house and were able to put out the fire with a hose. It happened at 0001 hours. When Hilton was driving off he hit a parked car, thus the hit & run charge. One of the young ladies in the Green family had dated Hilton a few times, but broke it off. That was in Feb. 1982. In May, 2 weeks before the fire on May 28, 1982 he started calling to harass her asking if she wanted to make some money prostituting for him. She said he sounded like he had eaten a few ludes and she hung up on him. He was arrested on First Degree Arson charges and booked into Dekalb County jail. He lived at the time at 5135 West Mountain St. #A-17, Stone Mountain, GA. The report indicates the Green's signed statements that they knew who the arsonist was and could positively identify him as Hilton, but I guess he just found a way to talk his way out of it or the girls were just too afraid of him and what he might do next.
Case #82-103081 & #82-103082, the report ends with case is closed and cleared, pending criminal prosecution. Hilton signed for a copy of the report on June 11, 1982.
Inmate's Booking Details Last Name First Name / MI SPN # Birth Date Age At Booking Released HILTON GARY MICHAEL 00120663 22-NOV-46 35 28-MAY-82 Arrested: 28-MAY-82 Released: 28-MAY-82 Arresting Officer: Badge: 1921 Agency: DEKALB COUNTY POLICE DEPT Arrest Number: 82103081 *Booking No: 8210583 Booked-In: 28-MAY-82 04:05 PM Booked-Out: 28-MAY-82 08:37 PM
Charges from Jail System Warrant No. Seq No. Maint. Code Charge Level / Code and Description Offense Date Disposition Desc Disposition Date Sentence Description Sentence Length Start Date 176776 -- -- F 2007--ARSON 1ST DEGREE 28-MAY-82 177723 -- -- M S40-6-270--Hit and run; duty of driver to stop at or return to scene of
As in any culture, or in any community spread across this great Nation, there are those who refuse or are unable to adapt to a civilized society, skirting the rules and laws that guide the rest of us through life. Fortunately they are the exception rather than the rule. Due to their selfish need to fulfill their evil desires or sexual fantasies, their lack of empathy for others, as well as their self assurance of remaining anonymous or stealth by hiding behind their masks of normalcy (at least in the darkness of their minds), they resort to the unimaginable, or unconscionable.. These psycopathetic predators, who know no boundaries of sanity, prey on unsuspecting innocent victims. Many of these predators hone their skills with each innocent victim devoured, increasing confidence and causing escalation. Although, most of these predators have an uncanning ability to shield their motives, their expressionless face, hiding behind their fake smiles, combined with their lifeless eyes can not conceal this lie.
The only effective weapon that we all posses, is detection: Be cautious, adhere to personal safety rules, and 'Trust your Natural Instincts'.
We all have to be on guard 24/7 and look out for each other..
■GMH, pulled a few of his teeth out with pliers to make him appear more evil & said,“when I come off my meds, the Demons come back.” Evil, Demonic; Convicted Prolific Serial Killer: Gary Michael Hilton, and his Attorney; Inez Suber, in Judge Lewis’s courtroom(American People’s courtroom) Is this proper Courtroom Decorum? Where is the Justice for his many, many victims? Where is the Constitutional Rights of the American People? Gary Michael Hilton, only had four friends, Three were Attorneys: ‘Officers of the Court’…
February 17th, 2008 at 2:31 am
Meredith Hope Emerson, loving, caring, an important part of nature,
She and her dog Ella, loved the mountains and outdoors.
Where the rhodendrum grow , the hemlock stand tall, and the Eagle soars,
Just sitting marvelling at the appalacians; so majestic with splendor,
She and Ella, playing, hiking, and bonding with love,
The forest, inhabitants; birds, and deer meander,
The meadows in Bucktown, will take your breath, and wild azaleas bloom,
The sun rising high, the forest comes alive, the honey bees and Butterflys.
Black bears just lumbering along, the birds singing mother nature’s favorite song.
Hikers come from all over to hike the AT, some hiking it short, some hiking it long,
She and Ella thought of this as a paradise, for whatever it’s worth,
When they were one, with the earth, my only request is, and I pray,
That they meet again on that endless Rainbow Bridge, entering Heaven , Someday.
In nature she’ll be missed, by family, friends, and loved ones.
As our somber nation prays, she was my neighbor for just Four Days……
Vinny……
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Wonder or wives' tale?
Local dowser sounds ground with brass rods
By Jeff Warren
Trying is believing. I stepped slowly across a burying ground, carrying two brass dowsing rods ahead of me. Held level and a little higher than my waist, the 21-inch rods pointed straight ahead. An additional five and a half inches of brass turned down at 90 degrees through my fingers.
With my fingers curled, the long brass of the rods lay across my index fingers between the hand and first knuckle. At the 90-degree bend, the short handles pointed straight down, curled inside my fingers, excluding the two smallest digits. The brass rode against the outside of my pinkie fingers. Thumbs stayed folded out of the way.
As I moved on to a grave, the rods turned inward toward each other and aligned parallel to the plot. The sensation was only as eerie as watching the play of a compass needle. I was doing this under the tutelage of an expert, Jasper dowser Joe Chastain.
A longtime resident of Pickens County, Chastain is retired from Lockheed. He started dowsing when he was nineteen years old.
"I didn't have a teacher," Chastain said. "The first time I ever used the rods, an old farmer had some. I was in a little disbelief." But as the rods acted in his hands, Chastain discovered there was something to it.
Tradition calls for a forked peach branch when hunting for water, but that is unnecessary, Chastain says. Any forked stick, dry or green, works just as good, the expert said. "The forked stick that the old-timers use works very good with water," Chastain said. "It works with me too. I just don't like it."
"Brass is easier," Chastain explained. "I like to think it picks up better, but that's just me. Aluminum is not good, because it's too light. It doesn't feel right in your hands."
Fine-tuning the art, Chastain discovered he could find most anything with the rods: water pipes; mineral veins; a quarter tossed out on the ground. Chastain said that when crossing a vein of iron ore "the rods will open, close and open again."
"Water is the most pronounced thing you'll find when you look for something," Chastain said. But he said the rods' reaction to graves is also pronounced.
Some fifteen years ago, Chastain taught Carl Etheridge to use the rods. Now retired from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Etheridge was chief ranger in charge of land management at the Corps' Allatoona reservoir when Chastain taught him the dowser's art.
With some information from a member of the Brooke family and his newfound dowsing skills, Etheridge said he located the old Brooke family cemetery on Corps land after a topographical map plotted the graveyard in the wrong position. He located the graveyard in the Sweetwater Campground near Lake Allatoona in Cherokee County, Etheridge said. A monument marks the site today.
Etheridge has practiced his dowsing to a point where he now assists land developers in locating graves to move them. Etheridge said he once assisted an archaeologist, moving some graves. Using his dowsing rods, Etheridge said, he found one more grave than the archaeologist. The scientist told Etheridge he had only found a stump hole and wrapped up the dig without exploring the final find.
Etheridge said he shortly returned to the finished dig and conducted a dig of his own. He said he found an infant grave: coffin hardware and glass from a porthole-style coffin, popular in the late 1800s. Under the glass was the one piece of bone Etheridge discovered in the grave, the back of a child's skull.
Etheridge said in Georgia's acidic soil, sometimes all you find in an old grave is a blue residue in the soil indicating where the body lay.
Etheridge said he boxed all the contents of the child grave he found and presented them to the doubting archaeologist.
But if dowsing for graves works, the question is why. Chastain says anything buried, whether once living or not, gives off rings of energy--something like the magnetic lines of force surrounding a magnet.
For the Pickens County Historical Society, Chastain has located what are believed to be unmarked graves at the Fitzsimmons Cemetery at Marble Hill. Society members also believe he has found 20 graves of the previously lost Daniels Cemetery near Tate.
But if folks ask too many questions regarding the science of the process, Chastain sometimes tells them it might more than they need to know. Soft-spoken and slightly mystical in demeanor, Chastain's large brown eyes peer through eyeglasses with gentle intensity. Around him, you get the sense Chastain is tuned to the natural world.
And while science might attempt to explain Chastain's locating technique, it would fall all over itself trying to explain some of his other claimed abilities with the rods. The rods can tell him the gender of a grave occupant, Chastain says.
"Normally, on a female, the rod will point to the head," he explained. "On a male, to the feet."
Chastain admits he is the only dowser he knows who can make the gender determination. Chastain says he can know if there is more than one occupant in a grave. Sometimes women who died in childbirth were buried with the child lost in the birthing.
But more eerie still, Chastain says he can feel through the rods if a grave occupant died a violent death. He says the brass goes crazy in his hands.
Wives tales? Maybe. I can only say I know the rods aligned with a grave when I stepped across it.
Chastain says focusing your mind on what you are hunting is the key to finding with the rods--tuning yourself to the pointing brass.
"You have to know how to use 'em. You have to know how to hold 'em. You have to know how to read 'em," Chastain said.
"Don't bury it," he said. "I'll find
This is the man he killed before Mrs Duncan: 42 year old Retiree: very spiritual..
Scenic Area Morphs Into Gruesome Crime Scene
Michael Scot Louis' remains were found next to the scenic Tomoka River in Ormond Beach, Fla.
View LargerOn December 6, 2007, a Florida fisherman took his rod and reel and headed to a fishing spot on the Tomoka River in Ormond Beach. Casting his line in the hopes of getting a bite, he noticed a group of vultures in some nearby brush. Curious as to what was attracting the vulture's attention, the man walked to the brush to investigate. What he would find has Ormond Beach police hunting for a heartless killer.
There were several black trash bags. The fisherman noticed a strange odor. And then he saw something he'll never forget. Inside the trash bags were dismembered human remains. He called the police, and a disturbing investigation began.
Police say Michael was known as a quiet, introverted homebody; so far they are not sure who would want to do such a horrible thing to him.
Identifying The Victim
Leads from the public helped police identify their victim, Michael Scot Louis, 27.
View LargerBecause of the body's condition, police were initially unable to identify their victim. But, cops say there were some homemade tattoos on the remains that the killer did not remove. Police used the media to get the story out to the public, and soon after they received a call from a citizen, stating that 27-year-old Michael Scot Louis had been missing since around November 21. Police followed up on the lead, and they were able to determine the remains were in fact that of Michael Scot Louis, a quiet local who worked at Wal-Mart. But, the answer to one mystery would spawn even more questions. Who killed Michael and who mutilated his body? If he'd been missing since November 21, what transpired between then and December 6, when his remains were discovered?
Police say the time of death had been determined as 2-7 days before Michael's remains were found. That means there is a period of time where Michael may have been alive but unaccounted for. And investigators say his cell phone was active for some time after Michael was last seen. The mystery grew, and then another piece of the puzzle was discovered, adding more questions to the investigation
Wolfscratch.....
Gwinnett
Gary Hilton: Misfit with a mean streak
By JEREMY REDMON, JEFFRY SCOTT
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 01/13/08
He fancied himself a soldier "on perpetual field maneuvers." He recently lived and camped out of his minivan, purposely subjecting himself to hardship. He used to carry a gun because, he said, there's "a lot of crazy things going on in the world."
He was a petty criminal, a transient workman who pulled his own teeth, someone who made people uncomfortable with his odd mannerisms.
POUYA DIANAT/Staff
Gary Hilton was officially charged with the murder of hiker Meredith Emerson in Dawson County court on Wednesday. He is a suspect in several similar killings. In each case the victims were found in state or national parks and their ATM cards were used after their deaths. Previous charges in other years included arson, hit and run and marijuana possession.
Ben Gray/Staff
Gary Michael Hilton, accused of murdering Meredith Emerson, is a longtime petty criminal.
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And Gary Michael Hilton, the 61-year-old man accused of killing Buford hiker Meredith Emerson and a suspect in the beating deaths of two other females, generally did not like women, his onetime landlord said.
"He was a weird character," said Chris C. Johnson, who rented a room to Hilton for several months in 1995 in the Marietta area. "I remember him referring to women very negatively. He kind of had a real bad, negative attitude against everyone. He really didn't like anyone ... women specifically."
John Tabor, who recently gave Hilton a place to stay and hired him to do odd jobs, said Hilton in September threatened to kill him if he didn't give him $10,000. Hilton needed the money because his mental and physical health had deteriorated to the point where he couldn't work, said Jana Tabor, John's wife.
It was the Tabors who first tipped authorities to Hilton's identification after they saw an artist's sketch of him on CNN. They spoke about him on Saturday, the first time they've discussed details about the man they knew peripherally for about 10 years.
The Emerson case put Hilton at the center of a disturbing crime that has captured widespread attention and reignited murder investigations in Florida and North Carolina. The crime against a vibrant young woman in a public place has resonated across the nation as people consider the randomness of the brutal slaying — and reconsider their own safety.
Hilton's nomadic ways make him somewhat of a mystery. Unlike the gregarious Emerson, Hilton, who is being held without bond at the Dawson County jail, does not have a cadre of friends to explain his behavior or speculate on the events leading to his arrest. Police have provided little insight.
Not recalled kindly
Johnson is fairly typical of those who crossed paths with Hilton as he bounced around North Georgia for the past 30 years, from Clayton County to an intown apartment to the woods of Cherokee County to the mountains of North Georgia. Most had fleeting encounters with the man. Few remember him kindly.
In his travels, he was charged with beating up a housemate, flimflamming people with a bogus charity and accused of roughing up a girlfriend's young son.
Johnson remembered Hilton often carried an expandable baton — the kind of weapon found in the Emerson investigation — and went for hikes on Kennesaw Mountain with his dog, a golden retriever, which he had strictly trained.
Johnson recalled a violent incident between Hilton and another boarder in 1995.
Cobb County police arrested Hilton and charged him with simple battery. He spent two months in the county jail before being shipped to DeKalb County to face other charges.
Months before his recent arrest in the Emerson case, a Cherokee County sheriff's camera recorded a 30-minute exchange Hilton had with a deputy. Someone called Cherokee authorities on Oct. 26, complaining Hilton was trespassing on private property. The deputy responding to the call found Hilton parked in some woods on the side of the road with camping gear sprawled out on the grass.
On the video, Hilton is animated and chatty. He said he got lost while traveling from Lawrenceville to Cohutta, which is near the Tennessee border. Hilton tells Deputy Will Ballard he served as an Army paratrooper in the 1960s and that camping comes naturally to him.
"Typical training would be a 20-kilometer land navigation problem ... carrying a heavy load, move as rapidly as possible," he said of his Army training. "We would run that stuff over and over. I got it in my blood. What I am doing is I am on perpetual field maneuvers."
Hilton also tells Ballard that he has suffered from multiple sclerosis for years.
"I carry a doctor's written diagnosis right in with my license because sometimes it will make me stagger somewhat," he said. "It will affect my posture and my gait. What I call this is camping therapy. And I do it just like the Army, subjecting yourself to hardship."
As the two go to retrieve identification from Hilton's van, Hilton warns the deputy that he has an expandable baton among his belongings.
"Don't get nervous," Hilton tells Ballard. "I won't get out of the truck without it, man."
Ballard ultimately lets Hilton go after determining there are no outstanding arrest warrants for him. As the two part, Hilton warmly tells Ballard: "Hey, I love ya."
Links to other murders
In the two months since that encounter, he's been charged in the bludgeoning death and subsequent decapitation of Emerson, and has been identified as a suspect in several similar killings.
Leon County, Fla., authorities say they will charge Hilton in the slaying of Cheryl Hodges Dunlap, 46, of Crawfordville, Fla. She went missing Dec. 1 and was found dead in Apalachicola National Forest on Dec. 15.
Also, North Carolina officials have named Hilton as a suspect in the slaying in October of an elderly couple.
Avid hikers John, 79, and Irene Bryant, 84, were last seen alive on Oct. 20 in the Pisgah National Forest in western North Carolina. Her body was found bludgeoned three weeks later while John Bryant remains missing and is believed dead.
In each case, officials have placed Hilton in the vicinity. Further, each of the victims' ATM cards were used, and the bodies were recovered in state or national forests.
Hilton also had encounters with police that didn't land him in jail.
Pam Burnett, who often walks her dogs at Murphey Candler Park in DeKalb, said Hilton often hung out there, acting strangely, carrying an expandable baton and sometimes yelling at her to keep her dogs away from him. Burnett said Hilton once threatened her and her dogs with a stick in 2004. She said she called 911 and DeKalb County police responded by questioning him at the park.
That same year, someone called police from Skyland Park in DeKalb, saying a man was beating a dog. A police report identified the man as Hilton.
Hilton piled up a record of charges in DeKalb County before those encounters. Jail records show Hilton had been charged with theft, stealing a shopping cart, possession of marijuana, hit and run and arson between 1979 and 1995. His record dates to 1972, when he was charged in Miami with dealing in stolen property.
Court records show he pleaded no contest in DeKalb County to seeking donations for the Georgia Youth Sports Project, a fictitious group that was throwing a celebration for a child who set a new athletic record.
Previous relationships
Hilton wasn't always a loner. He was married at least once, then divorced his wife, Sue, in 1969 in DeKalb County, records show. She declined to comment. After his divorce, Hilton moved into an apartment in Clarkston, where he dated the late Cynthia Nassar, said her son, Clint Roszelle, who was about 10 years old at the time.
"I didn't like the way he acted. He seemed creepy to me, even as a child," Roszelle said. "I remember he was baby-sitting my youngest brother at one time and I caught him spanking him with a hairbrush, bare bottom."
Beyond the personal relationships, he made customers uncomfortable as he worked for Tabor, who owned Insulated Wall Systems. The first time Robyn McKinney met Hilton, he made her uneasy.
"He was a crazy man," said McKinney, who, along with her husband, hired Tabor's company to do some work on their Snellville home in 2004. "He had rotted teeth. He acted and talked really strange."
Tabor said Saturday that his relationship with Hilton was almost exclusively over the phone, though Tabor let Hilton live at a building he owned on Clairmont Road in Chamblee. Tabor kicked him out in September after Hilton threatened to kill Tabor.
Jana Tabor said Hilton's behavior had become erratic, and she attributed it to his medication.
"He had self-diagnosed himself as having M.S., and he was going to this quack doctor and he was taking an incredible amount of Ritalin," Jana Tabor said. "He already had one of those upbeat energetic personalities, and that just make it warp speed, made him crazy."
Jana Tabor disputes that Hilton's teeth were rotten.
"They weren't rotten," she said. "He pulled them out himself."
Despite their falling out, the Tabors were stunned that Hilton could be accused of such heinous killings.
"We were not harboring somebody who was a monster," she said. "My god, it's just unspeakable what he has done."
Well before the Tabors met him, in 1983, Hilton was convicted in Clayton County of carrying a pistol without a license in a trial that also saw him convicted of a drug charge. Asked in court why he carried a gun, he pointed out he didn't need one, but that he had one "for protection."
"There is a lot of crime," he said, "and a lot of crazy things going on in the world."
— Staff writers Yolanda Rodriguez, Kathy Jefcoats, Christian Boone and Tim Eberly, and staff researcher Alice Wertheim contributed to this report.
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Below are the transcripts of law enforcement interviews with Gary Michael Hilton, the man accused of murdering Meredith Emerson.
Warning: Some of the transcript contains explicit details about Emerson's death that may be considered disturbing.
FILE #: 306-new TAPE #:
DATE: 01/07/2008 TIME: 4:55 P.M.
TYPED BY: clc
TRANSCRIPT OF GBI INTERVIEW WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH). GBI SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF'S INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD)
UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI)
UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: . . . SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES, SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE. TODAY'S DATE IS JANUARY 7TH, 2008. TIME IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR FIFTY, UH, FOUR FIFTY FIVE P.M. GONNA BE CONDUCTING AN IN CUSTODY INTERVIEW ALONG WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON AND HIS ATTORNEY WILL BE PRESENT ALSO.
(NOISE, NON-PERTINENT UNTIL HILTON ARRIVES)
(PARTICIPANTS GREET EACH OTHER)
GMH: CAN WE UNCHAIN? (UI) I MEAN, YOU KNOW . . .
CB: NO, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST STAY LIKE THAT FOR RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT. ACTUALLY, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS . . .
(NOISE, UI, TALKING IN BACKGROUND)
JC: . . . IF YOU'LL TELL ME THE AREA . . .
GMH: YEAH, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE.
JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: IT'S DAWSON FOREST (UI)
JC: DAWSON FOREST? O.K.
GMH: (UI)
JC: I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
GMH: OKAY (UI) OH, GOOD. IT'S A NICE PLACE ISN'T IT . . . THERE'S A UH, THIS, THIS UH, IT'S THE CITY OF ATLANTA TRACK, THERE'S A NUMBER OF TRACKS.
JC: THERE IS.
GMH: OKAY. AND THIS CITY, THE ATLANTA TRACK IS BISECTED BY UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
JC: RIGHT. IT'S OFF FIFTY THREE?
GMH: YES IT IS. AND, AND THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND IT GOES THROUGH, RIGHT, THIS IS SHOAL CREEK, AND IT CROSSES AND IT FORDS THE CREEK ON, ON A, CONCRETE FORD. AND IT CONTINUES ON AND IT COMES OUT ONTO DAWSON FOREST ROAD.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: EAST, WHICH IS THERE. AND IF YOU WERE TO ENTER FROM THIS DIRECTION, WHICH IS WHERE YOU, YOU'D WANT TO COME FROM.
JC: FROM HIGHWAY NINE?
GMH: UH, FROM NINE, FOUR, FOUR HUNDRED, NINE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: EITHER WAY. UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW.
JC: WE'LL GO IN FROM NINE.
GMH: UH, OKAY. YOU'RE GOING IN FROM NINE. OKAY. MAKE A RIGHT ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD. GO TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND GO UP AND THERE'S A . . .
JC: TURN, TURN ON SHOAL CREEK?
GMH: I'M SORRY. TURN NORTH, TURN RIGHT OR NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK. THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD. I'LL START MAKING MARKS ALL OVER (UI) COME IN FROM HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST ROAD. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD ALSO. MAKE, MAKE A RIGHT OR WEST.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH. OKAY? NOW. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD. MAKE A RIGHT ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH BECOMES DIRT. AND THERE IS UH, SEVERAL GATED ROADS UH, OFF OF THE WEST SIDE. THEY'RE NOT ON THE MAP. THEY'RE GATED AND THE GATES ARE CLOSED AND THEY ARE DESIGNATED AS TRAILS.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: AS HIKER TRAILS, BIKE TRAILS, AND EQUESTRIAN TRAILS . . . UH, THEY ARE HEAVILY USED EQUESTRIAN TRAILS CAUSE THERE'S MANY TRACKS, FRESH TRACKS AND FRESH HORSE TRACKS, AND HORSE DROPPINGS AND SO YOU WOULD TAKE UH, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD YOU WOULD TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS NORTH, OR, OR RIGHT, AND I, IF, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST ROAD UH, TO YOUR LEFT, IT IS UH, DESIGNATED UH, AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, AND BIKING TRAIL, A GATED ROAD WITH A GATE ACROSS IT. AND AS FAR AS I REMEMBER IT IS THE FIRST ONE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND A, ANOTHER WAY TO, TO MAKE, ENSURE THAT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT ROAD, IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THAT ROAD, ON EITHER SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD IS A SIGN THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT.
JC: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: OKAY? SO THAT, THAT WILL BE YOUR, AND I THINK IT'S THE FIRST ONE. I'M ALMOST . . .
JC: DOES IT TURN OFF TO THE LEFT (UI)
GMH: YES, TO THE, TO THE LEFT AND, OR WEST.
JC: HOW FAR DOWN, HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD?
GMH: OKAY. AND SO YOU WOULD, IT'S A GATED ROAD, AND YOU WOULD GO UH, DOWN THAT ROAD A, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, A WAY TO UH, RECOGNIZE THE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE OFF UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THE BODY WILL BE.
JC: O, OKAY.
GMH: OKAY. AND UH, A LANDMARK FOR THAT WILL BE THE TRAIL UH, THE HIKER OR HORSEBACK TRAIL IS DOUBLE BLAZED, IT HAS TWO BLAZES 'CAUSE IT'S TWO TRAILS TOGETHER. ONE IS A, LIKE A LAVENDER, ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS DOWN? OKAY. ONE IS A LAVENDER BLAZE OR GRAY BL, SOME, YOU KNOW . . .
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: . . .A BLAZE, AND ONE IS A WHITE BLAZE. BY BLAZE I MEAN A SQUARE STENCILED ONTO A TREE.
JC: CORRECT.
GMH: OKAY. IT'S DOUBLE BLAZED. AND UH, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN ON THE, DOWN, YOU KNOW, WEST, UH, IS, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE. IF, IF YOU GO PAST THAT DOUBLE BLAZE YOU'LL SEE A, ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT ANOTHER FIFTY YARDS. BUT IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: THEN YOU WOULD TURN OFF THE ROAD . . .
JC: WHICH WAY?
GMH: SOUTH . . .
JC: SOUTH . . .
GMH: . . . OR LEFT . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: OKAY, AND THE BODY WILL BE UH, APPROXIMATELY FORTY YARDS OR A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: UH, OFF OF THAT, UH, SOUTH OF THAT . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: IT'S COVERED BY LEAVES AND UH, BRUSH. AND A WAY TO TELL IF YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR IS THAT THE, UH, SOUTH OR LEFT SIDE IS NO LONGER RELATIVELY LEVEL. IT BECOMES A, A STEEP EMBANKMENT TO YOUR LEFT. IF, IF THAT, THAT OCCURS, IF TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES IN THAT MANNER . . .
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: THEN YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE. I ACTUALLY WALKED PAST IT ONE TIME MYSELF. AND . . .
JC: YOU SAID THE BODY IS DOWN THERE ON THE LEFT (UI) ROAD (UI)
GMH: ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET OR FORTY YARDS . . .
JC: IS IT, AND UNDER SOME LEAVES AND BRUSH.
GMH: UNDER JUST A PILE OF LEAVES AND BRUSH. BUT NOT BURIED.
JC: OKAY. IS, IS IT WRAPPED IN ANYTHING?
GMH: NO, IT ISN'T.
JC: IS IT, IS IT CLOTHED?
GMH: UH, NO, IT ISN'T.
JC: IS IT INTACT?
GMH: NO, IT ISN'T.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: I'LL TELL YOU . . .
JC: YOU WANT TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THAT?
GMH: OKAY. YES. THE HEAD WILL BE MISSING.
JC: WHERE IS THE HEAD?
GMH: THE ONLY REASON BY THE WAY THE HEAD WAS REMOVED WAS FORENSICALLY.
JC: YEAH. RIGHT.
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS IS THE HAIR IS FULL OF FIBERS.
JC: SURE.
GMH: AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON.
JC: WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE HEAD BE?
GMH: OKAY. I'M GONNA TELL YOU. THEN TO LOCATE THAT CONTINUE NORTH ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: I MEAN, ON SHOAL . . I'M SORRY . . .
JC: SO YOU COME BACK OUT OF THAT (UI)
GMH: COME BACK OUT . . .
JC: TO SHOAL CREEK . . .
GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. TURN LEFT OR NORTH.
JC: GOT IT.
GMH: GO PAST THE DOUBLE SIGN NO BICYCLES ALLOWED.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE ABOUT THE SECOND GATED ROAD AND IT WOULD BE UH, APPROXIMATELY A HALF A MILE NORTH. AND IT WILL BE ON . . .
JC: LEFT, LEFT, OR EAST OR WEST?
GMH: IT WILL BE OFF, OFF TO THE LEFT OR WEST . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: OKAY. AND UH, IT WILL BE ON A, A RIDGE LINE, UH, THE ROAD IS. THE ROAD IS ON A RIDGE LINE AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER TOPOGRAPHY. IT WILL BE A PRONOUNCED RIDGE THAT FALLS OFF TO EITHER SIDE. AND UH, SO, AND IT'S GOT A GATE ACROSS IT.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY THE ROAD IS THERE, SO YOU WOULD TURN LEFT OR WEST, AND UH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE HARDER TO FIND. YOU'RE GONNA NEED A DOG FOR THIS, I BELIEVE.
JC: CAN YOU HELP US?
GMH: WELL, I'LL HELP.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: I, I, IT'S, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TO GO THERE, THOUGH, I MEAN . . .
JC: WELL, WE . . .
GMH: . . . BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND . . .
JC: WHAT I'D LIKE . . .
GMH: . . . IF I'M GONNA HELP YOU, I'M GONNA HELP YOU.
JC: WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO . . .
GMH: YOU KNOW.
JC: . . . IS, IS TRY TO FIND IT WITHOUT YOU. BUT YEAH TAKE YOU DOWN THERE, AND IF WE NEED HIM HE'S THERE TO HELP.
GMH: COULD I HAVE SOME PAPER?
CB: YES. THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT IT.
(UI)
JC: WELL, GO, GO AHEAD AND TELL US . . .
GMH: I'M GONNA DRAW YOU GUYS A MAP (UI) JC: WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU DOWN THERE BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, IF WE DON'T NEED YOU (UI)
CB: IF WE NEED YOU WE MAY NEED TO BRING YOU IN THERE OR WHATEVER.
GMH: UH, SO NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE (UI) AND SO . . . AND THIS IS NOT (UI) BUT I JUST (UI) THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . .(NOISE) . . . AND OF COURSE NORTH.
GMH: AND UH, THE BODY WOULD BE . . . DOWN HERE . . .
JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: . . . THERE . . . OKAY . . . AND UH, THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE OTHER CLOSED GATED ROAD (UI) GATE. OKAY?
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND YOU'LL CONTINUE ON TO HERE, HERE'S YOUR OTHER CLOSED ROAD. AND I THINK IT'S JUST THE SECOND ONE AFTER THAT ONE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND THE WAY REALLY TO RECOGNIZE IT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: HERE'S THE GATED OR CLOSED ROAD. AND THIS UH, IS UH, A CREEK OR DRAINAGE NOTCH, THIS IS UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SYMBOLS YOU WANT ME TO USE. OKAY, UH, DRAINAGE. OKAY, DRAINAGE. OKAY. AND THEN UH, THIS IS ALSO, SO THIS IS A RIDGE, MORE OR LESS, OF A, OF A RIDGE LINE THAT THE ROAD IS ON.
JC: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SO THE, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY UH, LET ME GET AN ESTIMATE HERE, FOOTAGE, UH . . . (NOISE) . . . THIRTY YARDS, UH, LIKE THAT, OKAY. AND THERE IS A, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES CUT DOWN EDGING THE ROAD. OKAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO STEP OVER THOSE. AND THEN THERE'S A, THESE ARE TREE TRUNKS.
JC: UH HUH.
GMH: AND THEN THERE'S A TREE TRUNK RIGHT THERE AND THE HEAD IS ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE FLIP, THE OTHER SIDE UH, JUST COVERED IN LEAVES.
JC: DOES IT HAVE A BAG OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? JUST IN LEAVES? (UI)
GMH: NO, NO, JUST IN LEAVES. AND YOU CAN LOOK, THIS IS DOWN HILL, UH, UH, I COULD DRAW A (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YOU'RE ON A RIDGE. AND YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT DOWN AND SEE SHOAL CREEK ROAD AS IT (UI) GOES, GOES AROUND (UI) INSIDE OF THE ROAD FROM HERE, ACTUALLY.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: THIS DRAINAGE IS JUST UH, A CLEAR CUT AREA (UI) . . .
CB: HOW FAR IS THIS DID YOU SAY? SEVENTY . . .
GMH: ABOUT THIRTY YARDS.
CB: THIRTY YARDS. OKAY.
GMH: AND, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DOWN TREES. THIS IS ALL FRONTED, SO TO SPEAK, BY DOWN TREES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OKAY.
JC: SO IT'S BEHIND . . .
GMH: BUT IT . . .
JC: (UI) TREES . . . A LOG OR (UI)
GMH: IT'S, IT'S (UI) A FULL TREE TRUNK.
JC: IS IT? OKAY.
GMH: YEAH. BUT SEE, THIS, THIS IS A BUNCH OF YOUR BRUSH AND TREES AND IF YOU STEP OVER THIS, IF YOU JUST START CHECKING THE NORTH SIDE . . .
JC: OKAY.
CB: IS THERE ANY?
GMH: UH, YOU'LL LOCATE IT.
CB: IS THERE ANY TRAIL MARKINGS UP HERE?
GMH: I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING REALLY (UI) HAS, THIS ONE HAS, THE, THE DIVIDED ROAD HAS A DESIGNATED UH . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TRAIL SIGN . . . I DON'T REMEMBER THE . . .
JC: YOU SAID ABOUT FIFTY FEET (UI)
CB: FIFTY YARDS.
GMH: NO, ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET. ABOUT FORTY YARDS.
JC: FROM THE TURN?
GMH: FROM UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD. YEAH.
JC: OKAY. AND DOWN ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . .
GMH: HOLD IT, I, NO, I DID SAY FIFTY, YEAH, OKAY, AND ABOUT FIF, AND THEN ABOUT, ABOUT FORTY . . .
CB: IT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZED . . .
GMH: YEAH. AND YOU'LL SEE THE DOUBLE BLAZES ARE ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE (UI)
CB: THE SAME SIDE THE BODY WOULD BE ON.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, AND THE DOUBLE BLAZE IS ALMOST DUE NORTH OF THE BODY (UI) AND THEN THE ROAD WOULD CONTINUE ON. YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT THERE, BUT NOW THIS HAS BECOME A, THIS AREA HERE HAS BECOME A STEEP EMBANKMENT WHILE THIS IS ONLY RELATIVELY SHALLOW DOWNHILL.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: JUST MORE OR LESS LEVEL. NOTHING'S LEVEL UP THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. AND SO, BUT IT'S MORE OR LESS LEVEL DOWNHILL. IF YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE AND THIS, THE ROAD WILL BE STEEPLY EMBANKED TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: OKAY, NOW, IF YOU PUT A DOG ON IT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL JUST COME UP WITH IT LIKE THAT.
CB: OKAY, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS, IS THAT THE ONLY PORTION OF THE BODY THAT'S MISSING?
GMH: THAT IS ALL.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THAT IS ALL.
CB: ALRIGHT.
GMH: OH. AND I SHOULD MENTION, TOO, THAT BY HER HEAD IS UH, CLOTHING. MORE CLOTHING. NOT BESIDE HER HEAD, BUT IT'S UP AGAINST ANOTHER, IT'S WITHIN TWENTY FEET . . .
JC: WHAT KIND OF CLOTHING?
GMH: UH, UH, HER, A SWEATSHIRT OR SOMETHING.
JC: OKAY. THAT KIND OF CLOTHING.
UM: AND THE REASON THE BODY IS (UI)
GMH: IT'S FORENSIC. FOR FORENSICS. UH, THE CLOTHING WOULD . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SEE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS DISAPPEARANCE AT THAT TIME.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU SEE, I DIDN'T FIND THAT OUT TILL LATER ON IN THE DAY I STOPPED AT A GAS STATION AND I'M ON THE FRONT PAGE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I HAD NO IDEA. SO I THOUGHT I WAS, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD FORENSICALLY ERASE IT . . .
CB: RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: THAT'S . . .
CB: ONE THING, ONE THING THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE IS, IS MAYBE DISCUSS THIS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IT, HOW IT CAME TO BE AND WHATEVER, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT WITH Y'ALL.
(NOISE)
GMH: (UI) . . . I, I, MY ATTORNEY (UI)
JC: (UI) I WAS JUST THINKING (UI) EITHER OR BOTH OF YOU UP THERE, BUT THAT'S YOUR CALL.
NS: NOW COULD WE, LIKE UH . . .
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO BE INTERROGATED (UI) WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF MY ATTORNEY.
JC: OH, THAT . . .
CB: OH, NO, NO, THAT WON'T HAPPEN. THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
GMH: (UI) IN ANY MATTER WITHOUT THE PRESENCE . . .
CB: NO. THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
GMH: I APOLOGIZE TO BOTH OF YOU GUYS . . .
CB: NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO US.
JC: I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. IT'S BEEN TRYING FOR YOU. I'M SURE THESE CASES ARE EMOTIONALLY WRENCHING.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: FOR YOU.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: BUT, THAT'S YOUR DAMN JOB. (LAUGHS) SO . . .
(UI)
CB: THAT'S RIGHT.
JC: WELL WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING NOW IS (UI)
(UI)
GMH: JUST TAKE A DOG AND YOU'LL HAVE IT.
(NOISE)
GMH: AND IF THE DOG, UH, IN THE AREA OF THE HEAD, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE AREA OF HER BODY THAT THE DOG WOULD HIT ON. BUT THE DOG MIGHT HIT ON HER CLOTHING NEAR HER HEAD FIRST. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING FIRST . . .
JC: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . THEN THE HEAD IS GOING TO BE EAST OF THE CLOTHING, ABOUT TWENTY YARDS . . .
JC: EAST OF THE CLOTHING.
GMH: OF THE CLOTHING. OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GO WEST DOWN THE ROAD, THE HEAD IS THERE, TWENTY OR SO FEET ON FURTHER WEST IS THE CLOTHING. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING THEN COME BACK EAST ABOUT TWENTY FEET. LOOK. THERE'S, THERE'S A FALLEN TREE . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: ALIGNED . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: . . . EAST AND WEST, BASICALLY, THE FALLEN TREE. IT'S A LONG, IT'S A WHOLE INTACT TREE TRUNK . . .
JC: WE JUST GOTTA GET ON THE ROAD . . .
GMH: GET ON THE ROAD. YOU'RE GONNA GET DARK AND COLD. HEY TAKE GLOVES.
JC: HE'S GOING.
CB: HE'S GOING, HE'S GOING WITH, WITH ME AND . . .
JC: WITH THE SHERIFF?
CB: . . . AND, AND, ME AND . . .
JC: Y'ALL (UI)
CB: . . . AND . . .
JC: OKAY.
CB: YES SIR.
GMH: YOU GUYS GOT IT IN YOU TO GO OR . . .
JC: WELL TODD'S GONNA GO . . .
UM: YEAH . . . YEAH.
UM: YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA BE (UI) ARE YOU COMING OR WHAT?
NS: WELL UH, YEAH, I CAN RIDE . . .
GMH: OR YOU GOT A DINNER DATE? OKAY.
NS: NO, NO, NO. I CAN RIDE. I JUST NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM BEFORE WE GO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: HEY, YEAH, IT, I JUST WON'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF (UI)
NS: RIGHT.
(UI)
CB: OKAY. I'M GONNA PUT THOSE BACK ON YOU AND WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR BLANKET BACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
GMH: OKAY. THAT'LL BE GOOD . . .
CB: YEAH.
UM: (UI) BE THERE . . .
GMH: 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, I HAVE MY LITTLE (UI) IT'S . . .
CB: I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: (UI) . . . TAKE, TAKING RITALIN AND THAT'S, IF THIS WILL KEEP (UI)
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY.
(NOISE, UI)
CB: DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM. HE'S KINDA WRECKED. NOT WRECKED WRECKED, BUT I MEAN, IN, IN (UI) UH (UI)
JC: HE'S ON THE WAY.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
(NOISE)
GMH: NO, THANKS, NO.
CB: YOU GOT HIM FOR JUST A SECOND (UI) YOU'RE WITH HIM FOR JUST A SECOND . . .
(NOISE)
CB: STOPPING TAPE APPROXIMATELY FIVE SIXTEEN P.M.
(*END OF 1ST CD/TAPE)
TRANSCRIPT #2
FILE #: 306- TAPE #:
DATE: TIME:
TYPED BY: clc
TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED INTERVIEW OF GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH) BY GBI SPECIAL AGENT (SA) CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS), UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS), PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD), ENOTAH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT DISTRICT ATTORNEY STAN GUNTER (SG).
UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI)
UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: OKAY, I JUST WANTED, I'M, I'M ONLY (UI) IT'S UH, JUST SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING . . .
NS: RIGHT.
CB: THIS INCIDENT.
NS: RIGHT.
CB: HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD. DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO SHOAL CREEK.
SG: AND THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE WOULD BE TO GO TO THE MALL OR GO (UI)
CB: I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO RACK MY BRAIN ON HOW TO GET DOWN THERE TO IT, BUT UH . . .
SG: WELL, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM OVER HERE . . . YOU COULD TAKE THOSE BACK ROADS TO FOUR HUNDRED.
CB: DO YOU HAVE JOHN ON YOUR CELL PHONE?
SG: I DO.
CB: HE, HE (UI)
SG: OH. I'D SAY THE QUICKEST WAY IS TO TAKE THOSE ROADS, BACK ROADS DOWN LONG BRANCH ROAD TO FOUR HUNDRED . . .
CB: RIGHT.
SG: AND PUT YOU DOWN ON HIGHWAY NINE (UI)
(UI) DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO . . .
CB: HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST, SHOAL CREEK.
SG: SO . . .
(UI, NOISE)
SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER?
CB: HUH?
SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER?
CB: YEAH.
(NOISE)
CB: THEY'LL FOLLOW US.
SS: FOLLOW US?
CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SS: IS THAT OKAY?
CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SS: OKAY.
(DOOR CLOSES, START VEHICLE, TRAVELING)
GMH: YOU NEED ANYTHING TO EAT?
NS: UH, I HAD A GOOD LUNCH AND I HAD UH, A COUPLE OF (UI)
GMH: OKAY.
NS: I'M ALRIGHT.
UM: (UI)
(UI)
GMH: (UI) LOW BLOOD SUGAR. I'VE GOT TO KEEP YOU ALERT NOW.
CB: SHERIFF, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE UH, TO TAKE YOUR POLICE RADIO DOWN JUST A NOTCH, OR OFF, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO HIM (UI) ON THE WAY DOWN THERE.
SS: TURN 'ER OFF.
CB: ALRIGHT. MR. HILTON, UH, BASICALLY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ASPECTS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY? (UI) YOU KNOW WHERE HIGHWAY NINE IS, DAWSON FOREST, AND ALL THAT STUFF? (UI) UH, TELL ME WHAT'S THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THERE. I MEAN, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR AT IT AS CAGLE WAS.
GMH: WELL, WE WANT TO GET TO GEORGIA FOUR HUNDRED AND DAWSON FOREST ROAD, IT'S UH . . .
CB: UH, TAKE A LEFT, GO DOWN TO UH, WHAT IS THAT . . .
(UI) FOUR HUNDRED. YOU KNOW WHICH WAY TO FOUR HUNDRED FROM HERE, DON'T YOU SHERIFF?
SS: YEAH, I DO.
CB: HUH?
SS: IF YOU WANT TO TAKE FOUR HUNDRED THEN (UI)
GMH: (UI) WITH A CIGARETTE (UI)
UM: (UI)
GMH: CUT LOOSE WITH A CIGARETTE SHERIFF, IF YOU GOT ANY
(UI)
CB: WHAT WE MIGHT DO IS WHEN WE GET DOWN THIS WAY WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU OUT OF THE VEHICLE AND LET YOU SMOKE ONE IF THAT'S OKAY.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEY WANTS YOU TO SMOKE IN BETWEEN US, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT A SMOKER MYSELF . . .
GMH: YEAH, FORGET IT.
. . . I, I DON'T HAVE ANY (UI)
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. WELL WE, WE, WE'LL CERTAINLY TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT, WITH THAT. BUT BASICALLY UH, DID YOU KNOW MEREDITH EMERSON BEFORE . . .
GMH: NO.
CB: . . . THE OTHER DAY? (PAUSE) WHEN DID YOU UH, COME TO THE, HERBERT REECE TRAIL UP THERE? WHAT DAY DID YOU ARRIVE UP THERE?
GMH: PROBABLY ABOUT UH, TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE.
CB: TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE?
GMH: UH HUH. OR IT WAS (UI) YOU KNOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT DATE . . .
CB: SO IT WAS PROBABLY DECEMBER TWENTY-EIGHTH . . .
GMH: I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DATE . . .
CB: SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE . . .
GMH: (UI) THE UH, THIS THING OCCURRED.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT.
GMH: I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OR, OH, IT WAS THE FIRST. NOW I KNOW. I, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS NEW YEAR'S OR (UI) . . . OKAY. IT WAS TWO OR THREE DAYS.
CB: OKAY. TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE.
GMH: UH HUH.
CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU CAMP SPECIFICALLY AT THAT LOCATION, OR . ..
GMH: UH, YEAH, I DID STAY IN MY VEHICLE THERE. OF COURSE THERE'S NO CAMPING ALLOWED IN THE PARKING LOT THERE. UH, HOWEVER, BY BEING DISCREET . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OFF LOADING A LITTLE OUT OF THE VAN I WAS ABLE TO STAY IN THE VAN IN THE PARKING LOT AND UH, IN THE PARKING LOT.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND AT WHAT TIME, OR WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME AWARE OF HER? WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE HER?
GMH: UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN. AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE HERBERT UH, REESE CONNECTOR TRAIL AND THE A.T. (APPALACHIAN TRAIL) AT THAT INTERSECTION.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THAT, UH, HOW DID YOU START UP A CONVERSATION WITH HER (UI)
GMH: UH, DOGS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE DOGS UH, DOGS ARE GONNA MEET AND I, ANYTIME I ENCOUNTER SOMEONE WITH A, A LOOSE DOG SPECIFICALLY, WHICH BOTH OF OURS WERE, A LARGER DOG, I IMMEDIATELY DETERMINE THE SEX OF THE DOG BECAUSE I HAVE A MALE AND I, I DON'T ALLOW MY DOG TO MEET ADULT MALES . . .
CB: SO YOU ASKED, YOU ASKED HER WHAT SEX HER DOG WAS?
GMH: OR, YEAH, THAT KIND OF THING. AND SHE STOPPED AT THAT LOCATION TO EAT AND UH, EAT SOME TRAIL MIX AND TO GIVE HER, GIVE HER DOG WATER.
CB: OKAY, OKAY, AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DOG?
GMH: THEN UH, WE BOTH STARTED UP.
CB: STARTED UP?
GMH: (UI) A.T., YEAH . . .
CB: TOWARDS THE SUMMIT?
GMH: A.T. . . .
CB: UP THAT WAY?
GMH: A.T. WESTBOUND. THE A.T. IS YEAH, WESTBOUND, UP HILL. IT WAS WESTBOUND UP HILL TOWARDS THE SUMMIT.
CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU HIKE TOGETHER?
GMH: FOR A DISTANCE AND UH, THEN SHE UH, I WAS, I'M SICK WITH MY (UI) AND I, I DID NOT EVEN REALLY ATTEMPT TO STAY UP WITH HER REALLY.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO SHE WENT ON AHEAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I, THEN I TOLD HER UH, YOU KNOW, WE CHIT CHATTED ABOUT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHATEVER (UI) YOU KNOW (UI) DURING THE TIME WE WERE TOGETHER.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT SOMETHING OR THE OTHER AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 'CAUSE YOU, ANYTIME YOU WALK UP, THAT'S THE MOST HEAVILY USED STATE HIKING TRAIL IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA BY THE WAY IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE, IT'S FULL OF DOGS. SO YOU TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. AS, AS YOU WELL KNOW I WAS SEEN WITH HER.CB: RIGHT.
GMH: (UI) SO WE TALKED AND THEN UH, SHE WAS MOVING ON AHEAD. SHE WAS CARRYING NOTHING UH, TO SPEAK OF, EXCEPT A FANNY PACK. NOT ENOUGH TO BE HIKING UP THERE, BUT NO ONE IS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: NO ONE IS ON, ON THAT TRAIL IS, IS EQUIPPED TO BE UP THERE. ON THE MOUNTAIN. ESPECIALLY IN THAT KIND OF WEATHER. NOBODY IS. EXCEPT ME.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I CARRY ABOUT TWENTY POUNDS PHYSICALLY BECAUSE, FOR THAT KIND OF HIKE. (UI) DAYLIGHT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: (UI) SO. SHE OUT DISTANCED ME AND I SAID I'LL LET YOU GO ON AHEAD (UI)
CB: DID YOU UH . . . DID YOU FORM AN OPINION AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU FORM AN IDEA AT THAT POINT THAT YOU WANTED TO ABDUCT HER AT THAT POINT?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THIS WAS DRIVEN REALLY BY NOTHING BUT THE WELL, THE DESIRE TO OBTAIN HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER.
CB: THAT WAS THE SOLE PURPOSE YOU WANTED HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER?
GMH: YEAH, AND YEAH, AND UH, RATHER THAN PICK A GUY WHO WOULD, OR A COUPLE, UH, WITH A GUY WHO, WHO MIGHT REALLY FIGHT, YOU KNOW . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BECAUSE IF YOU WANT A CARD AND PIN NUMBER AND THE GUY FIGHTS YOU AND YOU GOTTA KILL HIM, WELL WHERE ARE YOU AT?
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO I FELT IT WOULD BE, I KNEW IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ESTABLISH CONTROL OVER A, A, A FEMALE, ANY FEMALE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . THAN IT WOULD A MALE. NOT THAT I COULDN'T WHOOP A MALE, BUT ONCE YOU WHIP 'EM, UH, IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT BE LEFT HOLDING IT IN THE BAG. SO TO SPEAK.
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. ALRIGHT UH . . .(PAUSE, NOISE) . . . OKAY, WHEN, WHEN DID YOU COME BACK IN CONTACT WITH HER AFTER SHE LEFT YOU ON A.T.?
GMH: ON HER RETURN TRIP DOWN. I WAS STILL MORE OR LESS ON THE WAY UP.
CB: OKAY. WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: WALKED UP, WALKED ALONG WITH HER.
CB: OKAY. DID YOU GUYS TALK?
GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
CB: WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT?
GMH: WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY I WALKED ALONG WITH HER. WE WERE JUST IN LOOSE CONTACT ON THE TRAIL. SHE WAS AHEAD OF ME A GOOD BIT OF COURSE IT'S A SINGLE TRACK TRAIL ANYWAY . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU CAN'T WALK ABREAST ANYWAY.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND SO, SO, YOU KNOW. I WOULD BE IN PROXIMITY TO HER SOMETIMES AND SOMETIMES SHE WOULD BE AHEAD OF ME. AGAIN, IT WAS, WE TALKED OF NOTHING . . . I, I, I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU I UH (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW, NOTHING OF, YOU KNOW, JUST, I DON'T KNOW, UH . . . I, I, I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DAY AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AVOIDING, EVADING, I, I, I, YOU KNOW . . .
CB: NO, HER SPECIFICALLY, YOU, YOU, YOU HAD DECIDED TO ABDUCT HER WHEN YOU MET HER ON THE TRAIL (UI)
GMH: WELL, I SHOULD SAY POTENTIALLY.
CB: SHE WAS A, SHE WAS A GOOD POTENTIAL PERSON TO GET
GMH: POTENTIALLY.
CB: . . . HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER?
GMH: YEAH. YEAH. IF NOTHING ELSE BETTER CAME ALONG.
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY.
GMH: IF ANYTHING BETTER CAME ALONG, UH POTENTIALLY…CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . HOW DID YOU UH, OR, OR BASICALLY Y'ALL TURNED BACK DOWN THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL . . .
GMH: HERBERT REESE TRAIL.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THE ACT OCCURRED, THE DEMAND OCCURRED UH, AT THE POINT WHERE THE UH, WATER BOTTLES AND BATON WERE FOUND AND LEASH AND DOG TREATS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE DEMAND OCCURRED.
CB: OKAY. AND BY DEM, BY DEMAND, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, WHAT, WHAT . . .
GMH: GIVE ME YOUR CREDIT CARDS AND PIN NUMBER.
CB: OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: UH . . .ALRIGHT. AND, AND WHEN YOU DID THAT, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, DID YOU PRODUCE THE BATON . . .
GMH: NO.
CB: . . . OR WHAT, WHAT DID YOU PRODUCE?
GMH: A KNIFE, A BAYONET. THE BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE. I, I LOST CONTROL AND THOUGHT SHE FOUGHT. AND UH, AS I READ IN THE PAPER SHE'S A MARTIAL ARTIST.
CB: HOW DID, HOW DID . . .
GMH: I READ IN THE PAPER SHE PRACTICED MARTIAL ARTS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, AND SHE FOUGHT, AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE BLADE AND SLIGHTLY, VERY SLIGHTLY CUT HER HAND ON THE WEBBING BETWEEN HER THUMB AND FINGER . . . I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT TILL LATER ON AND I SAID WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CUT AT. SHE SAID WHEN I GRABBED THE KNIFE. AND UH, BUT SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE AND FOUGHT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEN I PRODUCED THE BATON. AND SHE FOUGHT THAT AND I LOST CONTROL OF THE BATON. AND I'M GOOD, TOO. THIS GIRL, WHO WAS, I THINK IT WAS YOU PROBABLY, OR ONE OF THE GBI'S SAID THAT LITTLE HUNDRED AND TWENTY POUND GIRL (UI) WHIP YOUR ASS, SO SHE ABOUT DID. SO I PRODUCED THE BATON, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAYONET, UH, I PRODUCED THE BATON, GRABBED THE BAT, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: WE STEPPED OFF THE TRAIL, WHICH IS CUT DEEPLY INTO THE SLOPE, UH, AND WE STEPPED OFF DOWN THE SLOPE AND TUMBLED DOWN THE SLOPE. SO IT WAS ALL DOWN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND AT THAT TIME I DROPPED BOTH UH, THE BAT AND THE KNIFE.
CB: OKAY. NOW YOU REGAINED CONTROL OF THE KNIFE OR WHEN SHE GRABBED IT, OR . . .
GMH: DIDN'T I SAY LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE? ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HANDS ON IT (UI)
CB: OKAY. SO YOU WENT FOR THE BATON AND (UI)
GMH: YEAH. ONCE, ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HAND ON YOUR WEAPON YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU, YOU MAY REGAIN IT, BUT . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOUR TASK IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BATON, IS, IS NOT TO LET YOUR OPPONENT GET HOLD OF IT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I DROPPED BOTH OF 'EM WHEN WE STUMBLED DOWN. THE TRAIL SWITCHED BACK AT THAT POINT SO WE TUMBLED DOWN HILL AND WE LANDED ON THE TRAIL DOWN HILL WHERE IT HAD SWITCHED BACK. AND (UI)
CB: ALRIGHT. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS HAND, I PROBABLY HAVE MULTIPLE FRACTURES IN MY RIGHT HAND.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I WAS NOT IN PAIN AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE MISPLACED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER AND I STILL COULDN'T GET CONTROL OF HER. SHE WOULD UH, FEIGN OR PRETEND THAT I WAS IN CONTROL AND THEN START FIGHTING AGAIN. SO I HAD TO, I HAD TO HIT HER A NUMBER OF TIMES. UH . . .
CB: DID YOU HIT HER EVERY TIME WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND, OR . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: STRAIGHT IN, STRAIGHT IN PUNCHES.
CB: THE FACE, OR . . .
GMH: YEAH. OR, OR THE HEAD, OR THE HEAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AS TO WHAT EXTENT SHE WAS INJURED, UH, THERE HER TWO EYES WERE SOMEWHAT BLACKENED. UH, SHE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. I, I CHECKED WITH HER A NUMBER OF TIMES AND SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN UH, AFTERWARDS SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN A HEADACHE. UH, I OFFERED HER, AND GAVE HER UH, ASPIRIN. THAT'S WAS AFTERWARDS. SO I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, I, …
CB: ALRIGHT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
(NOISE)
CB: OKAY. ONCE YOU HIT HER IN THE HEAD AND THE, AND THE FACE, HOW, HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT HAPPENED?
GMH: REALLY HARD TO SAY. SHE WOULDN'T STOP, SHE WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T STOP FIGHTING, THEN SHE WOULD STOP, AND SHE'D START FIGHTING AGAIN. AND YELLING. UH, AT THE SAME TIME. UH, SO I, I NEEDED TO BOTH CONTROL HER AND SILENCE HER.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT CONTROL?
(COUGH)
GMH: WELL, UH . . .
CB: OR HOW (UI)
GMH: . . . I, I ONLY MOMENTARILY . . .
CB: (UI)
GMH: OKAY. WELL, I GOT HER TO STOP FIGHTING AND STOP YELLING. I SAID ALL I WANT IS YOUR CREDIT CARD AND PIN NUMBER MOVE OFF THE TRAIL. AND THERE WAS A CONTOUR LINE TRAIL THAT WENT OFF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. IN OTHER WORDS A CLOSED TRAIL.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THAT, THAT WAS CONTOURED AROUND OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. AND I SAID MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AND SHE STARTED MOVING AND THEN SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND WE TUMBLED OFF THAT TRAIL, DOWNHILL. BE ABLE TO FIND THE MARKS OF THAT WHERE WE TUMBLED OFF. IT'S NOT ON, ON THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL BUT IT IS A CLOSED TRAIL AND IT'S AT THAT SWITCH BACK WHERE WE FELL, THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL SWITCHES BACK . . .
CB: RIGHT. I'M FAMILIAR.
GMH: . . . AND UH, AND THIS IS THE, WELL, AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE BAT WAS FOUND. I, I, I (UI) SO . . .
CB: YEAH.
GMH: IT JUST CONTOURS AROUND OUT OF SIGHT.
CB: BY BAT YOU MEAN BATON.
GMH: BATON. RIGHT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN. WE BOTH TUMBLED OFF THE TRAIL AND I HAD TO STRIKE HER SEVERAL MORE TIMES . . .
CB: OKAY. (PAUSE) OKAY.
GMH: SO I GOT CONTROL OF HER AGAIN. QUIETED HER DOWN. GOT CONTROL OF HER, KEPT HER MOVING DOWN THAT CLOSED TRAIL, AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN SO TO SPEAK. WE'RE MOVING IN A MORE OR LESS NORTHWESTERN DIRECTION. AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL, AND AT THAT POINT I PRODUCED A UH, A UH, IT'S LIKE A UH, DUCK TIE. OH, IT'S LIKE UH, HANDCUFFS THAT POLICE USE . . .
CB: ZIP TIE?
GMH: ZIP TIE, YEAH.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: EXCEPT THESE ARE JUST COMMERCIAL ZIP TIES, EIGHTEEN INCH ZIP TIES.
CB: YOU REMEMBER WHAT COLOR THEY WERE?
GMH: YEAH, BLACK. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT (UI) OH, YOU NEED TO GET (UI) THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS . . . I, I, I UH . . .
CB: DID YOU HAVE A RUBBER BAND AROUND 'EM?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WE DID FIND ONE.
GMH: YEAH, I HAD A . . . OH, YOU DID? SO I ZIP TIED HER TO A TREE AND I UH, KNEW THAT I HAD TO GO AND CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. 'CAUSE I, I WAS AWARE THAT I HAD DROPPED ALL THAT STUFF, HER STUFF . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO I HAD TO GO BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. I TOLD HER TO BE QUIET AND STAY . . .
CB: OKAY..
GMH: AND WENT BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE BUT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND.
CB: AND BY THAT TIME IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND?
GMH: SEE I HAD SAW THE THREE, OUT THERE WITH THREE HIKERS THAT HAD FOUND THE THINGS. THEY WERE NO LONGER THERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEY WERE HEADED DOWN THE SLOPE, THEY WERE LOOK . . .
CB: WERE YOU CROUCHING BEHIND A ROCK AT THAT POINT? LOOKING AT THEM?
GMH: UH, I (UI) BEGAN LOOKING AT THEM AND THEN I LAID DOWN FLAT IN THE TRAIL ABOVE THEM.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: BECAUSE THERE IS A TRAIL THAT (UI) INTO A SLOPE AND SOMEONE BELOW . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . IF YOU LAID IN THE FLAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE (UI) . . .
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH.
GMH: OR INSULATED . . .SO TO SPEAK. UH, AND UH, I LAID DOWN IN THE TRAIL. AND THE STUFF WAS GONE.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT?
GMH: WENT BACK TO HER AND UH, CUT HER LOOSE. AND UH, SHE WAS NOT TIED AT ALL EXCEPT I, I PUT A LOOP AROUND HER NECK.
CB: UH, WHAT KIND OF LOOP?
GMH: UH, JUST A NYLON CORD, UH, THREE HUNDRED POUND TEST, JUST, IT WASN'T EVEN TIED. IT WAS LIKE A, A LOOP SLIP KNOT IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU TIE A LITTLE (UI)
CB: NOT TIED. A SLIP KNOT. RIGHT?
GMH: YEAH. AND UH, I TOLD HER THAT WE WERE MOVING DOWN HILL TO THE PARKING LOT. AND I WENT TO THE PARK, WE WENT TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT BY CROSS COUNTRY.
CB: I GOT YOU. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. AT THIS POINT WAS HER HANDS FREE?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. DIDN'T HAVE THOSE ZIP TIED?
GMH: NO.
CB: JUST HAD THE LOOP, NOOSE, NOOSE AROUND HER NECK?
GMH: YES, AND I TOLD HER I HAD A PISTOL, WHICH I DIDN'T HAVE A FIREARM.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: (UI) FIREARM. AND UH, AND I (UI) HER . . . BY, BY NOW SHE, I, NOW, NOW, BY THAT TIME, FROM THAT TIME ON . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE WAS COMPLIANT. TOTALLY COMPLIANT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER BEHAVIOR, OF HER UH, CONDITION AND UH, OF HER COMFORT FROM THEN ON ALSO. (PAUSE) MY INTENT WAS NOT TORTURE.
CB: OKAY, WELL . . .
GMH: YOU KNOW, I . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
CB: YEAH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH . . . LET ME UH . . .
GMH: I UNDERSTOOD THE SITUATION.
CB: LET ME UH, STOP YOU FOR JUST A MINUTE. BECAUSE ME WRITING AND LOOKING DOWN AND GOING DOWN THAT MOUNTAIN, I, I'M GOING TO GET DIZZY.
GMH: I THINK HE CAN DRIVE O.K.
CB: (LAUGHS) (UI)
GMH: WE CAN TAKE A BREAK IF YOU WANT.
SS: YOU WANT ME TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT?
CB: NO, NO, KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. LET'S JUST TAKE A LITTLE BREAK TILL WE GET ON STRAIGHTER GROUND . . . ARE YOU WARM ENOUGH?
GMH: YES, THANK YOU.
CB: ARE YOU GUYS GETTING WARM, OR . . .
(UI, NOISE)
(PAUSE)
GMH: WHAT ARE THESE MARKERS FOR? ARE THEY FOR SPEED DETERMINATION OUT HERE ON THE UH, ROAD?
CB: UH . . .
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, THESE CALIBRATIONS ON THE ROAD. I'M SEEING THEM NOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE. ARE THEY FOR UH, DETERMINING SPEED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT?
CB: I DON'T KNOW.
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THEY PUT A STOP WATCH ON IT AND, I DON'T, I'M SEEING 'EM ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THAT'S THE ONLY . . .
TD: THOSE LITTLE WHITE ONES?
GMH: YEAH, THEY'RE LIKE UH, RULER CALIBRATIONS.
TD: NO, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, WHEN YOU APPROACH ON A TURN. . .
GMH: OH . . .
TD: THEY SIGNIFY TWENTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR . . .
GMH: OH, I SEE.
TD: IT, IT'LL ILLUMINATE AT NIGHT.
GMH: I, I SEE. SEE, THAT'S HE'S AN INVESTIGATOR. (LAUGHS)
CB: ALRIGHT. SO, SHE WAS COMPLIANT AND, AND YOU MADE IT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT.
GMH: PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: PROXIMITY. MATTER OF FACT (UI) BECAUSE YOU CAN CAMP LEGALLY TWO HUNDRED FEET OUTSIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT CAMPING IS LEGAL. SO I, I KNEW, IT'S A LEVEL SPOT THAT I KNEW WAS SLIGHTLY OVER TWO HUNDRED FEET.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND, AND WHAT DID YOU UH, WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? SORTA . . .
GMH: THEN I SECURED HER TO A TREE.
CB: SECURED HER TO ANOTHER TREE?
GMH: YEAH. THIS WOULD HAVE EITHER BEEN WITH ANOTHER TWIST TIE OR JUST WITH A NYLON TWINE. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST UH, YOU KNOW, QUAD, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED UH, AROUND HER NECK AND QUADRUPLE (UI) KNOTTED AROUND THE TREE. UH, SHE WAS LOOSE IN OTHER WORDS. SO THAT IT COULD NOT BE READILY UNTIED. IN OTHER WORDS YOU'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE SQUARE KNOTS. YOU JUST CAN'T REACH UP AND UNTIE 'EM.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU GOTTA . . .
CB: ALRIGHT. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? WHAT (UI)
GMH: WELL I TOLD HER I, I, I TOLD HER UH, WELL, I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO GET HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER OUT OF THE CAR. WHICH WAS IN HER PURSE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UNDER THE SEAT. AND I TOLD HER . . .
CB: (UI) LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP. DID SHE TELL YOU WHERE HER PURSE AND PIN, UH, CARDS WERE?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. HOW DID SHE DO THAT? I MEAN, DID YOU ASK HER . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: . . . .ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING (UI)
GMH: YEAH. I TOLD HER FROM THE BEGINNING (UI)
CB: SO WHAT DID SHE SAY? UH, AT WHAT POINT DID SHE TELL YOU OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE IT? ONCE SHE WAS COMPLIANT?
GMH: YEAH. ONCE I GOT HER BACK AROUND THERE, YEAH, ONCE SHE BECAME COMPLIANT.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND SHE TOLD YOU WHERE HER CARDS WERE AT THAT POINT OR . . .
GMH: YEAH. SHE TOLD ME INCORRECTLY, BUT IT WAS JUST UNDER THE WRONG SEAT . . . SHE SAID UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY UNDER THE PASSENGER SEAT.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. UH . . . AND DID YOU TELL HER YOU WERE GONNA GO DOWN AND COLLECT THOSE (UI) AND WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: I TOLD HER WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT (UI) I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE. I (UI) I, I FELT THAT UH, IT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE UH, PEOPLE THAT FOUND THE EQUIPMENT THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT, IF THEY HAD HEARD HER YELLING.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND VOICES CARRY WHAT SOUNDS CARRY FOREVER UP THERE. IN THE WINTER TIME AND COLD AIR THEY CARRY FOREVER. SO I FELT THAT THERE WAS A VERY GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT UH, THE LAW WOULD BE THERE BY THE TIME WE GOT THERE, 'CAUSE IT TOOK US PROBABLY TWENTY MINUTES TO GO CROSS COUNTRY AND ALL . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: HAD TO TAKE THE SECUREST, SECURIST OF ROUTES UH, YOU KNOW, (UI) CROSS COUNTRY (UI) WORK OUR WAY DOWN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SO IT TOOK, YOU KNOW, SO I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: (UI)
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BY THEN UH, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD.
CB: OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND (UI) . . . (ANSWERS CELL PHONE, NON-PERTINENT) OKAY. UH . . .
GMH: SO BY, SO BY THEN WE WERE BOTH GETTING COLD. IT'S LATE IN THE DAY, IT'S UH, FOR WINTER TIME.
CB: HOW, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU WAITED TO SEE IF THE LAW WAS COMING?
GMH: TIL UH . . . WHAT TIME IS SUNSET NOW?
CB: FIVE THIRTY.
GMH: (UI) I THINK IT'S FIVE NOW, ABOUT LIKE (UI)
CB: WELL, ACTUAL SUNSET IS PROBABLY AROUND . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: FIVE FIFTEEN, FIVE THIRTY.
GMH: NO, NO, IT DOESN'T GET ANY, ANY, ANY UH, ANY SOONER THAN FIVE TWENTY FIVE (UI) ANYWAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY RIGHT BEFORE SUNSET. UH, STARTING TO ENTER DUSK. OKAY.
CB: ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. SO IT'S . . .
GMH: WHAT TIME IS IT?
CB: IT'S FIVE FIFTY. (UI) ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OH, SO WE'RE, YEAH. SO AS, AS YOU KNOW UH, IF YOU HAVE A CLEAR SKY, AND HIGH PRESSURE IN PLACE . . . SOON AS THE SUN GOES DOWN THE HEAT RADIATES RIGHT OUT AND THE TEMPERATURE DROPS LIKE A ROCK.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. IT'S, IT'S, SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD NOW.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO, I UH, HAD MY BACKPACK ON AND MY HIKING STUFF. AS I SAY, I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THAT MOUNTAIN EQUIPPED TO BE HIKING UP THERE. EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST TRUSTING THEIR LIFE TO THEIR FOOT WORK.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I'VE SEEN A GUY BREAK HIS LEG UP THERE AND I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO GET A PERSON OFF THAT MOUNTAIN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT TAKES AT LEAST FOUR HOURS, EVEN IF THE CALL GOES OUT ABOUT THE TIME THEY HIT THE GROUND. IT TAKES FOUR HOURS TO GET 'EM DOWN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I KNOW. 'CAUSE I'VE SAW IT HAPPEN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND UH, SO I WAS SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD. SO I TOOK MY PACK OFF AND GAVE HER A UH, A FLEECE PULLOVER, A RED FLEECE PULLOVER WHICH YOU PROBABLY FOUND. IT'S A COLUMBIA BRAND AND UH, THE MATERIAL IS CALLED OMNI TECH IT'S A COLUMBIA (UI) AND IT'S RED. AND IT'S LONG. (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I GAVE THAT TO HER. AND THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR MYSELF BUT I, I HAD ON A, A YELLOW (UI) JACKET (UI) BUT SHE, I HAVE TWO OF THAT DAY. SO YOU'LL ALSO FIND IN MY STUFF A (UI) YELLOW JACKET (UI) HOODLESS, HOODLESS GORTEX JACKETS AND I PUT ON A PAIR OF UH, GORTEX PANTS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I HAD NOTHING FOR MY CHEST (UI) AND I ALSO PULLED OUT A UH (UI) THAT I USED AS A EMERGENCY SHELTER, UH (UI) AND I PULLED OUT A (UI) THAT I USED AS AN EMERGENCY SHELTER AND WRAPPED THAT AROUND HER ALSO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEN I WENT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT, LEFT HER TIED TO THAT TREE (UI)
CB: AT THAT POINT YOU LEFT HER AGAIN?
GMH: LEFT HER AGAIN
CB: AND THIS WAS APPROXIMATELY GETTING DARK?
GMH: YEAH (UI)
CB: GETTING DARK? OR AFTER DARK? AND WHERE DID YOU GO?
GMH: OH, I WENT DOWN AND UH, OPENED HER CAR, OPENED HER VAN . . . OH, AND I MOVED MY VAN NEXT TO HER CAR.
CB: DID SHE TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HER VEHICLE WAS?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I GOT MY VAN AND MOVED IT NEXT TO HER CAR.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, I LOOKED FOR THE PURSE UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT, IT WASN'T THERE. THEN I WALKED UP, UNSECURED HER, WALKED HER DOWN, I HAD MY VAN OPEN … THE SIDE DOOR. AND UH, IT WAS NEXT TO HER CAR. SO I WALKED HER UP NEXT TO HER CAR. AGAIN, HER DOG WAS WITH HER. HER DOG WAS WITH HER.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO I WALKED HER UP UH, NEXT TO HER CAR . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OPENED THE SIDE DOOR OF MY VAN AND PUT HER IN MY VAN. AND, AND, THEN TOOK A UH, A CHAIN . . .PUT HER IN MY VAN AND LAID HER DOWN, THERE IS A SLIDING SIDE DOOR ON THE LEFT. OPENED THAT SLIDING DOOR, I HAD A CARGO BAGS THERE. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN ON THE CARGO BAGS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, I HAD TWO LENGTHS OF CHAIN PADLOCKED TO THE SEAT MOUNTING, THE FRONT SEAT MOUNTING, ONE CHAIN PADLOCKED, ANOTHER (UI) SEAT (UI)
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: (UI) THE SEAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE CAR. THE SHORTEST ONE WAS FOUR OR FIVE FEET LONG. THE OTHER WAS ABOUT NINE FEET LONG. IT WAS LINK CHAIN.
CB: YOU HAD IT AFFIXED TO YOUR FRAME?
GMH: YEAH. AFFIXED TO THE SEAT. UH, IT UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE YOUR SEAT ATTACHES TO THE CAR. IT'S QUITE SECURE IN CASE YOU GET HIT. YOU KNOW IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU REACH UNDER THE SEAT . . .
CB: WHAT WAS . . .
GMH: THE OTHER . . .
CB: . . . WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAIN ITSELF? I MEAN, YOU HAD IT ALREADY ATTACHED TO YOUR (UI)
GMH: YEAH. IT WAS ALREADY ATTACHED. ONE WAS ATTACHED THERE AND ONE WAS ATTACHED HERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YEAH, THEY WERE ATTACHED BY BEING PADLOCKED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THE CHAINS, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS BROUGHT UNDER THE SEAT, SECURED, AND PADLOCKED.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND THE OTHER END WAS LOOSE. AND DITTO WITH THAT.
CB: AND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT?
GMH: TO SECURE HER . . . OH, NO, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO UH, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO, IF I WAS CARRYING EXPENSIVE EQUIP, LIKE A GENERATOR OR SOMETHING IN THE VAN, I WOULD CHAIN THE GENERATOR IN THE VAN IN CASE SOMEONE SAW THE GENERATOR TO BREAK IN, SOMEONE WILL BREAK IN TO STEAL A 3 ½ KW GENERATOR.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . IF THEY SEE IT SITTING IN A VAN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THEY'LL JUST BREAK IN YOUR VAN JUST TO GET THAT.
CB: DID YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THE CHAIN TO PUT IT ON HER OR . . .
GMH: NO, I, NO, THAT END, I HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS. SO I HAD ANOTHER, I HAD TWO OTHER PADLOCKS. SO I HAD A LOT OF PADLOCKS. A NUMBER OF PADLOCKS. AND UH, SO, BOTH OF THOSE ENDS WERE, BOTH OF THOSE CHAINS WERE PADLOCKED BY ONE END TO THE SEAT MOUNT. ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT, IF A PERSON WAS LAYING THIS WAY, FEET THERE, HEAD THERE, ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE FEET AND ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE VICINITY OF THE HEAD.
CB: OKAY, SO YOU CHAINED ONE CHAIN TO HER
GMH: SO UH . . .
CB: HOW DID YOU CHAIN HER?
GMH: IN ABOUT, THE SHORTEST CHAIN WAS ABOUT UH, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, SIX FEET LONG. THE LONGEST ONE WAS TWELVE FEET, I BELIEVE. SO I JUST TOOK SIMPLY ONE END AND THEN UH, IT WASN'T TIGHTLY. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS PADLOCKED ALREADY TO THE SEAT. SO I TOOK THE OTHER AND, I DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END (UI) YOU KNOW, BUT (UI) I KNOW, FOUR, FIVE, SIX (UI) OTHER. PUT IT AROUND HER SO IT WAS TIGHT ENOUGH SO SHE COULDN'T GET IT OVER HER HEAD . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND PADLOCKED THAT. I DIDN'T SECURE HER FEET OR HER HANDS.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WHAT DID SHE SAY TO YOU? DID SHE SAY ANYTHING AT THAT POINT?
GMH: SHE SAID UH, THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VAN. NOT, OR IN THE, I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H. AND THEN I DETERMINED FROM WHERE HER, HER PURSE WAS AND IT WAS UNDER THE PASSENGER NOT UNDER THE DRIVER.
CB: DID YOU HAVE TO FORCE HER INTO THE VAN OR . . . DID SHE COOPERATE?
GMH: NO, SHE PROTESTED BUT . . . NO, NO I MEAN, SHE WAS COMPLIANT. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HIT HER, NO PHYSICAL FORCE OF ANY KIND AFTER THAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AFTER THAT UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN.
CB: OH, OKAY. SO SHE PROTESTED AND SAID . . .
GMH: THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VEHICLE. I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H.
CB: AND SHE WENT IN? O.K. BUT SHE DIDN'T GET PHYSICAL?
GMH: NEVER AGAIN. NEVER . . .NOTHING.
CB: NO? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .SO YOU PUT A PIECE OF CHAIN AROUND HER NECK . . .
GMH: THAT CHAIN THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT.
CB: DRIVER'S SIDE?
GMH: YEAH, THE DRIVER'S SIDE (UI) IT DIDN'T HAVE HER CINCHED DOWN TIGHT. IT JUST . . .
CB: THAT DON'T BOTHER YOU SHERIFF? OKAY.
SS: NO
GMH: NO, NO, SHE, SHE WAS NOT . . . AS A MATTER OF FACT UH, YOU KNOW, SHE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRABBED SOMETHING, SMACKED ME UP THE SIDE OF THE HEAD WHILE I WAS DRIVING. YOU KNOW. I SAID I, I (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YEAH, SHE COULD HAVE REACHED AROUND AND GOT A, STRANGLE HOLD OR ANYTHING ELSE WHILE I WAS DRIVING IT WAS JUST TO KEEP FROM JUMPING UP AND JUMPING OUT. AND I ALSO PUT THE CHILD PROOF LATCH ON THE SLIDING DOOR SO IT COULD NOT BE OPENED FROM THE INSIDE.
CB: THE, THE CHAIN THAT'S ON THE PASSENGER SEAT, WHAT DID YOU DO, PUT IT AROUND HER LEG
GMH: NO, NO, I JUST.
CB: JUST THE ONE ON HER NECK. OKAY. OKAY. AT THAT POINT YOU WENT AND GOT HER PURSE.
GMH: WHICH WAS NEXT TO...
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. O.K. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: THEN UH, BY THEN, UH, OF COURSE HER DOG WAS A LITTLE LEERY OF ME. BY THEN. OF COURSE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: A, A LITTLE SKIDDISH OF ME.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: TO SAY THE LEAST, AND UH, SO I GOT HER DOG TO JUMP IN HER CAR I TOLD HER AND UH, I UH, AND I, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER DOG, OF COURSE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, I SAID I PUT IT IN YOUR CAR SO IT WILL BE OKAY. PUT HER DOG IN HER CAR.
CB: IN WHAT CAR.
GMH: IN HER CAR.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: GOT THAT AND THEN LEFT AND HEADED 129 NORTH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: TOWARDS BLAIRSVILLE
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND GOT SEVERAL MILES AS WE WERE DRIVING (UI) SEVERAL MILES AWAY SHE STILL VOICING CONCERN ABOUT HER DOG. SO, PLUS, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT, I WANTED HER TO BE CALM AND, YOU KNOW (UI) I, I KNEW SHE WAS ANXIOUS ABOUT HER DOG. AND SHE WAS WONDERING ABOUT HER DOG, IF HER DOG WAS GOING TO BE OKAY. SO I SAID WELL. YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO GET YOUR DOG? SHE SAID YES. SO I TURNED AROUND. WENT BACK. AND GOT HER DOGCB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUICK QUESTION. DID SHE EVER GIVE YOU HER PIN NUMBER WHILE SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN, I MEAN, WHILE YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN?
GMH: YEAH, YEAH. AFTER I GOT CONTROL OF HER AROUND THE SIDE SHE GAVE ME A PIN NUMBER.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS INCORRECT.
CB: OKAY. AND WELL I'M ASKING . . .
GMH: SHE NEVER GAVE ME A CORRECT NUMBER.
CB: OKAY. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . .
GMH: (UI)
CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, HOW (UI)
GMH: (UI)
CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . .
GMH: I'M SORRY IF MY BREATH IS BAD. I BEEN DRINKING COFFEE.
CB: NO, THAT'S FINE. YOU UH, YOU HAD A PIN NUMBER?
GMH: UH HUH.
CB: AND YOU HAD HER CARDS?
GMH: UH HUH.
CB: BUT YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE HAD GIVEN YOU THE CORRECT PIN NUMBER OR YOU TOOK HER JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THE RIGHT PIN NUMBER.
GMH: CORRECT.
CB: OKAY. WOULD, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU HAD PLANNED TO DO ANYWAY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY OKAY. NEIL, EVERYTHING OKAY WITH YOU SO FAR?
NS: (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. THERE WAS NEVER ANY PLAN TO LET HER GO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO I WOULD BE IDENTIFIED I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO (UI) IDENTIFY YOURSELF. I KNEW THAT SHE COULDN'T, COULDN'T BE LET GO.
CB: OKAY. SO YOU . . .
GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS DOOMED.
CB: BY, BY SAYING, BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME THAT WHEN YOU FIRST MET HER AT THE A.T. AND REESE TRAIL . . .
GMH: NO, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT.
CB: OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: ALRIGHT. UH . . . BUT ONCE YOU ABDUCTED HER THERE WAS NO CHANCE SHE WAS GONNA, SHE WAS GONNA GET OUT. CORRECT?
GMH: I, I, I CAN'T, I, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT.
CB: IS THAT ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL OR . . .
NS: (UI) WELL YOU ALREADY TOLD HIM I THINK
CB: RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S FINE. UH, SO WHAT, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO AFTER YOU CAME BACK AND GOT THE DOG?
GMH: UH, BACK THE SAME DIRECTION.
CB: OKAY. NORTH ON ONE TWENTY NINE. OKAY... AND WHERE'D YOU GO TO?
GMH: BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: WHAT'D YOU DO IN BLAIRSVILLE?
GMH: WENT TO THE APPALACHIAN BANK. THE UH, APPALACHIAN MOUNTAIN BANK. IN UH, BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: ATTEMPTED THE CARD. AND IT WAS THE WRONG CARD.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . AND THEY DIDN'T WORK?
GMH: DIDN'T WORK. I PARKED ACROSS THE STREET.
CB: HOW MANY CARDS DID YOU USE?
GMH: UH, I HAD, I HAD A UH, I HAD THREE, BUT I'M REALLY NOT SURE. 'CAUSE SHE HAD ME RUN 'EM SO MANY TIMES THAT UH, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT SURE. I MEAN I RUN THEM IN BLAIRSVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO GAINESVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO CANTON . . .
CB: WELL LET'S, LET'S . . .
GMH: . . . AND TRIED MULTIPLE TIMES.
CB: ALRIGHT. LET'S DO IT, LET'S DO IT STEP BY STEP, THOUGH. THIS TIME YOU, YOU HAD THREE CARDS. YOU ATTEMPTED 'EM IN THE APPALACHIAN BANK.
GMH: I WON'T SAY I ATTEMPTED ALL OF 'EM.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I, I WOULDN'T (UI)
CB: BUT YOU WERE IN POSSESSION OF 'EM.
GMH: YEAH. I'M IN POSSESSION OF THREE OF 'EM AND I PROBABLY TRIED A WACHOVIA DEBIT CARD, UH, WELL I KNOW I TRIED THAT FIRST, BUT IF I TRIED ANY OF THE OTHERS I, I'M NOT SURE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I'M NOT SURE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT I TRIED THE WACHOVIA.
CB: AND YOU SAID YOU PARKED WHERE?
GMH: TO THE, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW MY DIRECTIONS BUT IT WOULD BE UH, IF YOU'RE AT THE ATM, UH, IT'S THE ATM IS, IT'S A DRIVE-IN. AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ATM, I'M ACROSS THE STREET IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS. AND UH, LOOKING AT THE ATM FROM MY PARKED POSITION UH, TO THE LEFT AND BEYOND IS A WAFFLE HOUSE OR A HUDDLE HOUSE THERE.
CB: OKAY. DID YOU ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL YOUR FACE IN ANY WAY WHILE YOU . . .
GMH: YES, I DID CONCEAL MY FACE.
CB: HOW DID YOU CONCEAL YOUR FACE?
GMH: HELD A UH, UH, TOWEL OVER MY UH, FACE.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY TO NO AVAIL AT THAT LOCATION SO YOU LEFT AND . . .
GMH: WELL, NO, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE DRAWN OUT THAN THAT.
CB: OKAY. TELL ME ABOUT ALL THAT.
GMH: CARD WOULDN'T WORK, IT WAS EITHER UH, INVALID OR UNAUTHORIZED. SO I CAME BACK, WENT BACK TO THE VAN. I SAID HONEY I'VE GOT (UI) AND UH, SHE'S DANCING AROUND WITH TWO MORE PIN NUMBERS. WELL I THINK I DID THIS OR I JUST CHANGED IT OVER AND I'M NOT SURE AND THIS AND THAT AND I CHANGED IT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. GO TRY IT AGAIN. IT'LL WORK.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THE FIRST NUMBER SHE GIVE ME. ANOTHER TWO NUMBERS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SHE GIVE ME A NUMBER. AND UH, TRIED IT AGAIN. MIGHT HAVE TRIED THE UH, UH, VISA CREDIT CARD TOO. I MAY HAVE. I MAY HAVE AND I MAY NOT HAVE. (UI) TRIED ANOTHER UH, NUMBER AND CAME BACK HON, NOT WORKING. YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST GIVE IT UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT (UI) SHE CONVINCES ME TO I THINK TRY THE THIRD AND MAYBE EVEN A FOURTH TIME. (UI) THE NUMBER (UI)
CB: OKAY AND IT DIDN'T WORK?
GMH: NONE OF IT WORKED.
CB: OKAY. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: SO SHE'S STILL TELLING ME IT'S, IT'LL, IT'S GONNA WORK. IT'S GONNA WORK. MUST BE A WRONG BANK OR A, MAYBE A WACHOVIA. I'VE ONLY USED IT AT THIS AND THAT. JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. SHE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, SO I DETERMINED TO DRIVE SOMEWHERE AT, AT ANOTHER BANK. AT A WACHOVIA. SHE SAID SHE USED THAT OTHER (UI) AND UH . . . (UI). .
CB: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
CB: UH, SO YOU LEFT AND WENT TO GAINESVILLE TO ATTEMPT IT AT.
GMH: YEAH, SINCE I NEEDED A, A MET, A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA BECAUSE I'M WALKING UP TO ATM'S, WALKING LATER AT NIGHT WITH MY FACE COVERED . . .
CB: UMM.
GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU GOTTA BE KINDA CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT ATM YOU USE. IF ANYONE SEES YOU, OR ON A COLD NIGHT, LATE AT NIGHT, ON FOOT, AT A DRIVE-IN ATM, COVERING YOUR FACE, YOU KNOW, SOME POLICE OFFICER JUST PASSING BY . . .
CB: UMM.
GMH: YOU KNOW. SO I NEEDED A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA IN WHICH TO GET A, A BETTER LOCATION AND HAVE A SELECTION OF LOCATIONS. SO I DETERMINED THAT GAINESVILLE WAS THE PLACE.
CB: YOU SAID A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA (UI)
GMH: THAN BLAIRSVILLE. THAN BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: I MEAN, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN BETTER TO HAVE BEEN IN THE DAYLIGHT AT, AT THAT TIME, OR . . .
GMH: NO, IT HAS, THERE'S A WINDOW, THERE, YOU SEE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THE WINDOW IS BETWEEN DARK AND TOO, TOO LATE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT BECOMES INAPPROPRIATE IF IT'S . . .
CB: RIGHT. BUT IN THE DAYTIME WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY?
GMH: NO, NO, NO (UI)
CB: DEFINITELY NOT DAYTIME.
GMH: NO. NO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU WANT A TIME BETWEEN DARK AND TOO LATE, WHEN THE STREETS CLEAR OUT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: ON A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THE STREETS ARE GONNA CLEAR AND THEN ANY POLICE OFFICER PASSING BY, POLICE OFFICERS ARE INQUISITIVE AND CURIOUS BY NATURE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CURIOUS AS TO WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THE STREETS ARE EMPTY, WHY IS THIS GUY WALKING AROUND AT AN ATM HOLDING SOMETHING OVER HIS FACE?
CB: OKAY. JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND IF YOU WILL.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: I'M JUST GONNA CHECK THIS VOICE MESSAGE.
(PAUSE)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO GAINESVILLE WAS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE, BUT IT WAS, IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE AREA. METROPOLITAN AREA. SO, STILL ACTIVITY BY THE TIME I GOT THERE. WHICH IS NOT THAT LATE BUT SUCH A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT, YOU KNOW. IT'S EFFECTIVELY LATE, VERY EARLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST CLEAR OFF. IT'S COLD. WENT DOWN THERE AND GOT A WACHOVIA . . .
CB: WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS IT NEEDS TO BE DARK BUT THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE AROUND AND DOING THINGS . . .
GMH: RIGHT.
CB: SO THAT YOU DON'T JUST SORTA STAND OUT THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STREET.
GMH: EXACTLY. ANY, ANY POLICE OFFICER IS CURIOUS AND INQUISITIVE. INQUISITIVE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IF HE'S ANY GOOD AT ALL HE'S CURIOUS AND ANYTIME HE SEES A PERSON, ANYTIME HE SEES ANYTHING THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . TO ANY SITUATION HE ASKS HIMSELF WHY.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: AND I UNDERSTAND (UI) HEY, ARE YOU A POLICE OFFICER? OH YEAH, RIGHT (UI)
CB: (LAUGHS)
GMH: I'M JUST KIDDING, A LITTLE LEVITY.
CB: UM. OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE, SO I FOUND THE ONE OFF OF UH, DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT I GUESS . . . UH, ONE OFF DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, I GUESS THAT IS THE MAIN DRAG IN GAINESVILLE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S HIGHWAY SIXTY. THERE'S A WACHOVIA BANK. IT'S NEAR TO A, SOME COLLEGE CAMPUS, UH, THAT'S UH . . .
CB: IS IT A WACHOVIA BANK?
GMH: YEAH. AND IT'S UH, HIGHWAY SIXTY, ABOUT DOWNTOWN OR IN THE CENTRAL CITY OF GAINESVILLE . . . IT WOULD BE TO THE NORTH SIDE UH, ON THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF, OF THAT STREET, WHICH I THINK IS SIXTY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. EACH TIME I'D COME BACK AND UH, TELL HER IT WASN'T WORKING AND SHE WOULD CONVINCE ME TO GO BACK AND TRY AGAIN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AGAIN, UH, SHE WAS ONLY SECURED BY A LOOSE CHAIN . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SHE, SHE WAS NOT, HER HANDS WEREN'T SECURE, BUT WE WERE IN A DARK PARKING LOT. I MEAN, JUST THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PARKED IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS WOULD . . .
CB: THROW UP A FLAG . . .
GMH: TO A POLICE OFFICER.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IT SHOULD.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: HE'S DRIVING, HE KNOWS HIS BEAT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ON THAT BEAT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OKAY. AND IF HE'S DRIVING BY A BUILDING THAT'S CLOSED, AND THE PARKING LOT'S EMPTY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A VAN IN THAT PARKING LOT, HE'S GONNA WONDER WHY.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: HE'LL PROBABLY CHECK IT OUT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I COULD BE A BURGLAR.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BUT, HEY. SO I WAS. I WAS PARKED THERE A HALF, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY IN A CLOSED BUSINESS IN THE PARKING LOT. (UI) AND SHE WAS ALWAYS SECURED LOOSELY BY THE CHAIN SO THAT . . .
CB: WHEN YOU SAY LOOSELY, COULD SHE HAVE SLIPPED IT OVER HER HEAD?
GMH: NO, I MEAN, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY IS SHE WAS . . .
CB: WASN'T CHOKING.
GMH: NO, NO, I, JUST SECURE ENOUGH THAT SHE COULDN'T SLIP, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY, SHE HAD FREEDOM OF, OF MOVEMENT AROUND IN, IN THE VAN.
CB: OH, AND HER DOG WAS WITH HER SO SHE, YOU THINK SHE FELT COMFORTABLE (UI)
GMH: YEAH, YEAH.
CB: (UI)
GMH: NO, NO . . .
CB: OR NOT MAKE ANY NOISE (UI)
GMH: SHE WASN'T GOING NOWHERE AND I TOLD HER IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE IT WAS CURTAINS
CB: OKAY, OKAY. AND, AND WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID, HOW DID YOU PUT THAT TO HER, IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE, WHAT DID YOU SAY.
GMH: YOU GO MESSING AROUND I'LL SHOOT YOUR ASS.
CB: OKAY. UH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE KEPT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IT WOULD WORK. THAT . . .
GMH: OH, SHE DID CONVINCE ME.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SHE RAN ME BACK, I'D COME, I'D GO (LAUGHS) LIKE AN IDOT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I MEAN, REALLY, YOU KNOW SOME, ETERNAL OPTIMIST.
CB: UHH.
GMH: I'D HAVE TO GO OUT OF THE VAN, WALK FOR A HUNDRED YARDS OR WHEREVER TO RUN IT, YOU KNOW, COME BACK. SHE'D GIVE ME SOME OTHER STORY . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW, OR ANOTHER CARD . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . YOU KNOW. I'VE GOT THREE OF THEM TO WORK WITH.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REASON FOR ALL OF THIS WAS (LAUGHS ) . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: YOU KNOW, I TOLD HER LATER, I SAID HELL, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK YOU WHY. IT'S JUST THAT I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF YOU BEEN, RUNNING, DOING THIS FOR.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: AND SO I'D RUN IT, AND COME BACK, RUN, AND HON YOU KNOW AND TRY THIS AND THIS NUMBER AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND UH, I DID, BUT DIDN'T WORK.
CB: OKAY. SO . . .
GMH: COME BACK. HON. (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: WELL THEY SENT OUT (UI, LAUGHS) PROBABLY FOUR TIMES OR SO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: MAYBE FIVE. SHE SENT ME WALKING BACK TO THAT THING, HOLDING A DAMN TOWEL IN FRONT OF ME. . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BY NOW IT'S GETTING LATE. THE STREETS ARE FREAKING EMPTY AND AS, AS FAR AS PEDESTRIANS GO. BUT THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TRAFFIC.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: NOW THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF MOTOR TRAFFIC BUT THE STREETS ARE EMPTY AND HUH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE SENT ME BACK TO THAT THING, MAN.
CB: UMM. ALRIGHT, UH, YOU UH . . . YOU BASICALLY . . . YOU BASICALLY UH, TRIED IT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AND IT DIDN'T WORK. NOW HOW INJURED WAS SHE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I MEAN, WAS SHE . . .
GMH: OH, I KEPT INQUIRING ABOUT IT, UH, NOT AT ALL
CB: COULD YOU, COULD YOU VISUALLY SEE THAT SHE WAS . . .
GMH: SHE HAD . . .
CB: WAS SHE BLEEDING?
GMH: NO, NO, SHE . . . NO, NEVER BLEEDING. SHE HAD JUST SLIGHTLY BLACKENED EYES . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SLIGHT BRUISE ON HER NOSE. SHE MAY HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. UH, BUT, VISUALLY AND, AND FROM WHAT SHE TOLD ME, SHE JUST HAD A HEADACHE. YEAH. SO I, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. OH, AND I ASKED HER WHAT SHE WANTED . . .
CB: WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU GIVE HER THE ASPIRIN?
GMH: I GAVE HER ASPIRIN SEVERAL TIMES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FIRST TIME WAS . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I ASKED HER CONSTANTLY IF SHE WAS IN PAIN, UH, IF SHE HAD LOST CONSCIOUSNESS. I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD DOUBLE VISION I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD RINGING IN HER EARS AND I ASKED WHAT SHE WANTED AS FAR AS A PAINKILLER GOES. AND WHEN SHE ASKED FOR ASPIRIN, WHENEVER THAT WAS, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. AND I CONTINUED ANYTIME SHE WANTED TO GIVE HER ASPIRIN.
CB: UH, OKAY, SO WHEN YOU LEFT THE BANK ATTEMPTS DOWN, DOWN IN GAINESVILLE, WHICH WAY DID YOU GO?
GMH: BACK TO DAHLONEGA. NOW IT'S TOO LATE AND I, I'VE HAD IT. I, I'M LIKE (UI), WITH THE M.S. SOME DAYS I CAN'T GET OUT OF BED AND SOME DAYS I'M GOOD FOR A FEW HOURS. (UI) . . . WHEN I GET TO THIS POINT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ANYTHING (UI)
CB: WHAT, WHICH, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO TO GO TO DAHLONEGA?
GMH: HIGHWAY SIXTY, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY AND FOUR HUNDRED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YEAH. HIGHWAY SIXTY TO THE HEAD OF FOUR HUNDRED.
CB: OKAY THEN WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT UP THERE?
GMH: OH NO, NO. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHEN I WENT, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY TO FOUR HUNDRED AND THEN SIXTY GOES RIGHT ON IN TO DAHLONEGA. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
CB: WHERE DID YOU STAY IN DAHLONEGA?
GMH: OKAY. THEN I ATTEMPTED TO GO UH, NORTH, UH, ONE TWENTY NINE AGAIN, BUT WE WERE NOW HAVING SNOW, COMING AT THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AS I GOT HIGHER ELEVATIONS I WAS GONNA FIND A PLACE TO CAMP BUT I WAS SHOT BY THEN. I COULDN'T THINK STRAIGHT.
CB: OKAY. SO YOU ACTUALLY CAME SIXTY UP TO DAHLONEGA AND THEN YOU CUT BACK ACROSS TO ONE TWENTY NINE, OR . . .
GMH: NO, ONE TWENTY NINE GOES INTO DAHLONEGA.
CB: NO . . .
GMH: IT'S A BYPASS AROUND DAHLONEGA
CB: ARE YOU, THINKING ABOUT . . .
GMH: ONE TWENTY NINE GOES OVER NEAL'S GAP. AM I NOT RIGHT? AM I CORRECT?
CB: (UI)
GMH: WE CAME ONE TWENTY NINE.
CB: OKAY. ONE TWENTY NINE (UI)
SS: (UI)
GMH: AND ACTUALLY FOR SOME REASON AND I'M NOT SURE WHY I, I WENT INTO DOWNTOWN DAHLONEGA AND UH, I DIDN'T GO THE BYPASS. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO (UI) AND I JUST GOT ON IT, PERHAPS, AND UH, I'M NOT MENTALLY FUNCTIONING BY THEN. AS I AM NOW. I'M START, I'M STARTING TO FLAG OUT RIGHT NOW. SO (UI) AND UH, I STARTED . . .
CB: I, I MAY BE, I MAY BE TOTALLY LOST, BUT I WAS THINKING ONE TWENTY NINE RAN FROM GAINESVILLE TO BLAIRSVILLE. IS THAT . . .
GMH: IT DOES.
CB: OKAY. AND WHERE, AT WHAT PART, PART OF ONE TWENTY NINE . . .
GMH: I JUST COULDN'T . . .
CB: GOES AROUND DAHLONEGA? WHERE, WHERE WE (UI)
GMH: (UI) NO, NO.
TD: IS THAT SIXTY?
GMH: YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIXTY PROBABLY.
TD: YEAH, BUT ONE TWENTY NINE IS (UI)
GMH: INTO TOWN, YEAH, OH YEAH . . .
TD: RIGHT?
GMH: OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT ONE TWENTY NINE AT THAT POINT.
CB: ONE, ONE TWENTY . . .
GMH: IT'S NOT, IT COMES IN, IT'S SIXTY, IT COMES, OR WHATEVER . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT COMES INTO IT AT TURNER'S CORNER IS WHERE IT COMES, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT.
CB: THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY WE BASICALLY JUST CAME.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UH, SOME WAY OR THE OTHER I ENDED UP GOING THROUGH DAHLONEGA. I'M NOT SURE WHY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER STRAIGHT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YEAH. AND I STARTED NORTH TO UH, WITH THE OBJECT OF GETTING A CAMPSITE SOMEWHERE. AND THE SNOW WAS COMING IN AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AND IT WAS ACCUMULATING RAPIDLY. AND THERE WAS PROBABLY TWO INCHES ON THE GROUND, ON THE ROAD, VERY QUICKLY, AND I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND CONTROL. AND THEN UH, I CAME AROUND A CURVE AND A CAR HAD SORT OF SLID OFF THE ROAD AND THERE WAS A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THERE CAR WITH IT'S BLUE LIGHTS. AND I WAS STRUGGLING UP HILL. AND I KNEW IT WAS JUST GONNA GET WORSE (UI) IN A HIGHER ELEVATION AND I KNEW HE, HE WAS, THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WAS ENGAGED UH, WITH, WITH THAT CAR, BUT I KNEW THAT MORE THAN LIKELY HE WAS ROAD, GONNA ROADBLOCK THAT ROAD AND TELL EVERYONE HEADED UP HILL NOT TO GO.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TO, TO ADVISE THEM NOT TO GO. OKAY. SO I KNEW THAT IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THAT HE WAS GONNA COME AFTER, UH, OR HAVE SOMEONE GET ME AND SAY HEY, YOU'RE NUTS. DON'T GO UP THERE. AND HE WAS RIGHT. I WOULDN'T HAVE ATTEMPTED IT. I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND SLIDING. NOW WE HAD ABOUT TWO INCHES OF ICE AND SNOW . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO, IT WAS NOT SO MUCH GOING UP HILL THAT YOU MAY JUST LOSE TRACTION AND NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE. BUT GOING DOWN HILL YOU PUT ON YOUR BRAKES AND JUST KEEP SLIDING AND YOU WRECK OUT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UP HILL, YOU JUST CONTINUE NO FURTHER. DOWN HILL YOU'LL WRECK.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UH, WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF ON (UI)
CB: OKAY. AND WHEN, WHERE DID YOU WIND UP?
GMH: SO THE SHERIFF'S CAR WAS THERE AND I KNEW IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THERE OR WHERE HE COULD SEE ME, THAT HE WAS GONNA COME GET ME OR SEND SOMEONE AFTER ME.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO DAWSON, DAWSONVILLE.
SS: NO, WE'RE, WE'RE . . .
GMH: OH, THIS, OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, YEAH, OKAY.
SS: YEAH.
GMH: NOW THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WE CAME THROUGH. YEAH. OUT OF GAINESVILLE. WE CAME THROUGH, THAT WAY, TO DAHLONEGA.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL I HAD IN MIND. AT THIS POINT, I WAS LOOKING FOR A CAMPSITE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I TURNED AROUND, SOON AS I PASSED THE SHERIFF'S CAR I JUST TURNED AROUND AND TURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, PULLED OFF THE ROAD, AND GLAD I GOT TRACTION. IT WAS IN SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD BUT YOU COULDN'T TELL THAT AT FIRST BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A SNOW PIT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT IT SURE SOMEONE, OR TURNED INTO SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK DOWN JUST RIGHT PAST THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SHE SAW THE BLUE LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING BUT, AND WAS ONLY LOOSELY SECURED AS FAR AS (UI) AND WENT DOWN HILL, WENT DOWN TO HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO UH, DAHLONEGA HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO WEST . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND WENT TO A FOREST SERVICE ROAD UH, NIMBLEWILL CHURCH CREEK ROAD, IT'S ABOUT PROBABLY SIX, SEVEN MILES WEST OF DAHLONEGA. I COULD POINT IT ON A MAP. AND UH, WENT UP THERE, WENT TEN MILES UP THERE 'CAUSE IT'S FIVE MILES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY (UI) SO I WENT TEN MILES UP THAT AND UH, THEY'S A CAMPSITE, A NUMBER OF CAMPSITES. ON THAT ROAD CAMPING IS ONLY ALLOWED IN DESIGNATED SITES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: WHICH IS (UI) AND THAT (UI)
CB: OKAY. SO YOU CAMPED THERE FOR THE NIGHT?
GMH: CAMPED THERE. I GAVE HER THE BEST BAG, THE BEST, I GAVE HER THE MATTRESS THAT DIDN'T LEAK. I GOT A PLUS FIVE DEGREE BAG, I HAD A (UI) DEGREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EACH DOG GOT A BAG. EACH DOG GOT A TWENTY DEGREE BAG.
CB: WHERE DID UH, WHERE DID YOU CAMP? IN THE VAN OR OUTSIDE?
GMH: YEAH, YEAH, I JUST, SHE HELPED ME OFF LOAD THE VAN. I JUST UNCHAINED, SHE WAS FREE AT, SHE WAS ONLY, ONLY SECURED WHILE WE WERE MOVING. SHE WAS NOT TIED UP. AND WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP I WOULD TIE A LONG LENGTH OF NYLON CORD AROUND HER ANKLES, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AND THEN QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AT AN ANCHOR POINT IN THE VAN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET LONG. THAT WAS SIMPLY TO KEEP HER FROM JUMPING UP AND TAKING OFF WHILE I WAS ASLEEP.
CB: (ANSWERS PHONE; DISCUSS DIRECTIONS) AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK, AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST, FIRST GATED ROAD TO YOUR LEFT, IS THAT CORRECT?
GMH: YEAH. NO, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD, UH, TURN UH, NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST GATED UH, ROAD TO YOUR LEFT. IT'LL BE DESIGNATED AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, BIKER TRAIL, AND JUST NORTH OF THAT ROAD TO THE LEFT WILL BE A SIGN ON EACH SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES ALLOWED BEYOND THIS POINT.
CB: FIRST ROAD TO THE LEFT ON SHOAL CREEK, UH, DESIGNATED AS UH . . .
GMH: IT'S GATED.
CB: IT'S GATED, IT'S DESIGNATED AS EQUESTRIAN, HIKER . . .
GMH: BICYCLE TRAIL . . .
CB: UH, BICYCLE TRAIL . . .
GMH: AND ON . . .
CB: . . . IF YOU GO TOO FAR PAST IT IT'LL SAY NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT.
GMH: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
CB: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
GMH: NORTHBOUND.
CB: THERE'S TWO SIDES . . . IS IT BEFORE YOU GET TO A LITTLE BRIDGE?
GMH: IT'S, THERE IS A BRIDGE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER (UI) I, I . . .
CB: HE DOESN'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER. SAID THERE'S A BRIDGE (UI) CORRECT. CORRECT. AND IF YOU STAY ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND YOU SEE SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR.
GMH: THE ROAD IS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT.
CB: IT'S IMMEDIATELY, IT'S IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT. (UI) ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD, SOUTHBOUND FROM THERE, IT'LL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
GMH: NO, THAT'S WESTBOUND.
CB: OR WESTBOUND.
GMH: AND AT A, AT A POINT DUE SOUTH OF UH, DOUBLE BLAZES ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
CB: RIGHT. FIFTY, FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD THERE'LL BE DOUBLE BLAZED UH, TRAIL MARKINGS . . .
GMH: ON A TREE.
CB: ON A TREE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND . . .
GMH: DUE SOUTH. FORTY YARDS.
CB: AND IT'LL BE SOUTH OF THAT. BE ON THE LEFT, ABOUT FORTY YARDS.
GMH: PILE OF BRUSH.
CB: PILE OF BRUSH.
GMH: IT'S A GENTLE, IT'S A GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE.
CB: GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE . . .
GMH: IF, IF IT'S A STEEP EMBANKMENT THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR.
CB: ALRIGHT. YES.
GMH: SO. SHE WAS ONLY SECURED WHEN WE WERE IN MOTION AND SOMETIMES NOT EVEN THEN.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN YOU GOT OUT YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD UH, NYLON . . .
GMH: SHE ONLY . . . NO, NO. THAT'S JUST WHEN I WENT TO SLEEP.
CB: OH, OKAY.
GMH: I'D SAY HONEY I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO TIE YOU LOOSELY UH, I JUST, NOT TO, NOT TO RESTRAIN HER BUT JUST TO KEEP HER FROM READILY JUMPING UP AND RUNNING OFF. IN OTHER WORDS JUST TAKE A HUNDRED POUND TEST NYLON LINE . . .
CB: UMM.
GMH: AND PUT IT AROUND ONE LENGTH OR ONE THICKNESS AROUND HER ANKLE AND THEN PUT ABOUT, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND THEN PUT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT SQUARE KNOTS IN IT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND KNOT IT TIGHT. NOT HER, TIGHT ON HER. SO IN OTHER WORDS TO GET IT LOOSE YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT A WHILE. IT WAS JUST SO SHE COULD, IT WOULD WAKE ME UP UH, IF SHE WAS LEAVING.
CB: AND YOU HAD THE OTHER END TIED WHERE?
GMH: TO A SEAT BELT ANCHOR.
CB: OKAY.,
GMH: THAT'S ALL. SHE WASN'T DOWN OR ANYTHING.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS JUST LOOSE AND, AND . . .
(UI)
GMH: OKAY. AND SO I, I HAVE UH, SO EACH DOG HAD A TWENTY DEGREE BAG. .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE GOT A FIFTEEN, OR SHE GOT A FIVE DEGREE BAG, AND I GOT A FIFTEEN DEGREE BAG, AND I GAVE HER THE AIR MATTRESS THAT DOESN'T LEAK AND I TOOK THE ONE THAT DOES LEAK (LAUGHS). AND UH, TO KEEP WARM. AND ALSO I RAN THE UH, VAN, IT WAS PRETTY COLD. IT WAS UH, PRETTY COLD THAT NIGHT. UH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIFTEEN (UI) FIFTEEN OUTSIDE. BUT SHE HELPED ME UNLOAD THE VAN. I INQUIRED ABOUT FOOD. NEITHER ONE OF US ATE ANYTHING. WE FEED THE DOG, I FED THE DOGS AND SO FORTH THEN SHE STILL CONVINCED ME THAT THE THING WAS GOING TO WORK.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I DETERMINED THE NEXT DAY THAT I WOULD GO TO CANTON.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND ONE REASON I HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION IS THAT I HAD A PERSON I KNEW THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, PLAN B WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM HER AND SHE WAS IN THAT DIRECTION. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. I DON'T, I HAVE, I HAVE UH, I HAVE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS ON ME, AND AS SOON AS I HAD GOTTEN HER IN THE VAN UH, SHORTLY AFTER I ABDUCTED HER I STOPPED AND GOT GAS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AT THE GAS STATION ON ONE TWENTY NINE, NORTH OF BLOOD MOUNTAIN, ON THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS, UH, NO, I STOPPED AT BOOGER HOLLOW GAS STATION ON THE RIGHT BUT IT WAS NO GOOD. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE PULLS UP AT THE OTHER ISLAND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS YELL OUT AND THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF IT. SO I DIDN'T LIKE THE SITUATION. SO I CONTINUED ON TO THE NEXT GAS STATION ON THE LEFT OR WEST SIDE OF ONE TWENTY NINE, GOING TOWARDS BLAIR, BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SPEND THIRTY DOLLARS OF MY LAST FORTY FIVE DOLLARS IN GAS. SO . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO, I HAD NO GAS, NO MONEY. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ONE REASON I HEADED TO CANTON SO I COULD GO ON TO CARTERSVILLE IF NECESSARY AND TRY TO GET SOME MONEY.
CB: WHO IS THIS PERSON THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM AT UH . . .
GMH: THE PERSON I WAS CALLING FROM THE GAS STATION WHERE, IN UH, CUMMING, WHERE THE CLOTHES WERE FOUND. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CALL I WAS MAKING. SHE REFUSED ME.
CB: WHAT'S HER NAME?
GMH: SHAWN STEWART. I BELIEVE YOU WERE PROBABLY STANDING THERE AS I CALLED.
CB: OKAY. UH, DID YOU MAKE CONTACT WITH HER FROM CANTON?
GMH: YEAH. NO, NOT CANTON. UH, OH NO, NOT CANTON. I DIDN'T CALL HER UNTIL . . .
CB: YOU DIDN'T ATTEMPT UNTIL CUMMING.
GMH: RIGHT. UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE I WAS ARRESTED
CB: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T ATTEMPT IT UNTIL I STOPPED AT THAT GAS STATION. LET HER DOG OUT THERE. I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY, IT WAS FOR SEVERAL REASONS AND I . . .
CB: WELL THAT'S, THAT'S . . .
GMH: THAT'S (UI)
CB: YEAH, LET'S GET, LET'S GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. UH (UI)
GMH: SHERIFF IS ANYONE, COULD SOMEONE SPRING FOR ME A CUP OF COFFEE AT A DRIVE-IN SO I CAN KEEP GOING ON THIS THING HERE? I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT, CAN YOU DO IT? THERE'S MCDONALD'S.
CB: WELL LET'S JUST KEEP GOING FOR RIGHT NOW AND THEN . . .
GMH: OKAY.
CB: WE'LL GET YOU A CUP HERE IN A SECOND. OKAY?
(NOISE)
GMH: WE'RE GOING TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD AND MAKING A RIGHT (UI)
TD: YEAH, IT'S THE ONE UP AT THE OUTLETS.
UM: OKAY.
CB: YEAH, EXACTLY. AND WE'LL COME BACK DOWN AND GET YOU SOMETHING HERE IN JUST A SECOND. UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLOSE IN CASE THEY NEED US TO . . .
GMH: OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, YOU GOT PEOPLE DOWN THERE.
CB: (UI)
GMH: RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. WE'LL GET, I KNOW, YOU, THEY, YOU, I UNDERSTAND AND WE'LL DO IT. WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
CB: OKAY. UH, AFTER, AFTER YOU GOT TO CANTON, WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: WELL, WE GOT UP THE NEXT MORNING AND I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON BECAUSE AGAIN I HAD A LIMITED RANGE NOW . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . SO I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON TO TRY THE CARD AGAIN. (LAUGHS)
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: YEAH. SHE'S MAKING A BELIEVER OUT OF ME.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH. BUT SHE, I KNEW, BUT HEY, WHAT ELSE YOU GONNA DO?
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS LYING. I KNEW SHE HAD BEEN LYING. I KNEW SHE WASN'T GIVING ME THE STRAIGHT STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT HEY . . .SO . . .
CB: (ANSWERS PHONE) HELLO. HEY. OKAY. OKAY IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE, IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE BLAZE.
GMH: DOUBLE BLAZE. ONE IS WHITE AND ONE'S KIND OF A, A DIFFERENT OTHER COLOR.
CB: OKAY. THE FIRST, THE FIRST UH, BLAZE IS ON A TELEPHONE POLE. THAT'S NOT GONNA BE IT, IS IT?
GMH: NO. IT'S ON A TREE.
CB: IT'S ON A TREE.
GMH: THEY'VE NOT GONE FAR ENOUGH THEN. BECAUSE A PHONE POLE WOULD BE BY THE ROAD.
CB: LIGHT BLUE ABOVE RED?
GMH: UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE TOGETHER. OR UH, SIDE BY SIDE. SIDE BY SIDE.
CB: OKAY. THERE'S A FENCE ON OUT THE ROAD?
GMH: ANOTHER WAY, THEY MAY BE ON THE WRONG DAMN ROAD THEN. UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FIRST ROAD, BUT . . .IT MAY NOT BE THE FIRST . . .
CB: WE'RE AT DAWSONVILLE . . .
GMH: TELL 'EM . . .
CB: (UI) BIG INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE.
GMH: TELL 'EM WE'RE ABOUT . . .
CB: (UI)
GMH: WE'RE THIRTEEN MILES FROM THEM. IT'S TEN MILES FROM HERE TO UH, DAWSON FOREST . . .
CB: ALRIGHT, THEN. I'LL ASK. ALRIGHT. WILL DO. SEE YA. JUST TAKE US THERE. SHERIFF.
GMH: SO THE NEXT DAY I DETERMINED I WOULD GO TO CANTON. TRY IT AGAIN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEN PLANNED TO, TO GO ON PERHAPS TO CARTERSVILLE AND TRY TO (UI) SOME MONEY FROM SHAWN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, SHAWN AND I ARE NOT CLOSE FRIENDS. UH, WE, I'VE KNOWN HER FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY ESTRANGED, KNOWN HER HER WHOLE LIFE BUT (UI)
CB: WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, ONE THING (UI) AND I'M, I'M GONNA START PICKING UP THE PACE A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, HERE SHORTLY AND HE'S GONNA WANT (UI) BUT UH, WHAT UH, BANK DID YOU GO TO?
GMH: I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT BUT IT'S ON UH, MARIETTA HIGHWAY SOUTH OF CANTON.
CB: REGIONS BANK?
GMH: YEAH, I THINK IT IS REGIONS BANK. IT'S NEAR THE MOOSE FACILITY AND I PARKED AROUND ON MOOSE LODGE ROAD. UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MOOSE LODGE ROAD, MOOSE HOME ROAD (UI) IT'S (UI)
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: WE SAT OVER THERE (UI) REGIONS BANK. SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE TWICE OR THREE TIMES. (LAUGHS)
CB: AND, AND, AND, OKAY . . . COULDN'T, COULDN'T GET MONEY THERE.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: AND WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
GMH: WENT TO DAWSON FOREST, UH, WHERE WE'RE UH, GOING NOW, BUT UH, NORTH ON SHOAL, ON UH, IN CAMP, ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, JUST NORTH OF SHOAL CREEK. IN OTHER WORDS, UH, SEVERAL MILES UP THE ROAD FROM WHERE WE, UP SHOAL CREEK FROM WHERE WE'RE GOING NOW.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND CAMPED THERE, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE I, I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE STAYED TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING THE NEXT DAY. YEAH. WE WENT HIKING, YEAH. WE WENT HIKING. YEAH, WE SPENT TWO DAYS, TWO NIGHTS THERE. AND WE WERE AT, WE'RE ELEVEN DEGREES OUTSIDE AIR TEMPERATURE THERE. SO I HAD STOVES GOING, I HAD, YOU KNOW, STOVE USED AS A HEATER,…
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND I HAD THE, THE VAN GOING. UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, TO KEEP WARM, AND WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING ONE DAY, THE NEXT DAY. WE TOOK BOTH DOGS AND WENT HIKING ALONG, ALONG SHOAL CREEK.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE HAD A GOOD TIME.
CB: OKAY. HOW, HOW . . .
GMH: WE . . .
CB: HOW DID YOU KEEP HER FROM RUNNING OFF WHILE YOU WERE HIKING?
GMH: NO, NO, SHE'S, SHE'S, I, SHE'S NOT HAVING A BAD TIME . . .
CB: OH, I KNOW . . .
GMH: EVEN THOUGH SHE'S BEEN KIDNAPED . . . SHE'S NOT HAVING . . .
CB: I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING SHE WAS HAVING A BAD TIME. WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING . . .
GMH: THERE'S NOWHERE FOR, OH, I TOLD HER I'D SHOOT HER ASS DOWN, I SAID WELL LISTEN HONEY. REMEMBER TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING ON ME AND THROUGH THE WOODS . . .
CB: UH HUH. DID YOU HAVE A WEAPON WITH YOU?
GMH: UH UH. NO, NO. I TOLD HER I HAD A GUN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OH, I SHOWED HER A BB GUN.
CB: OH, YOU SHOWED HER THE BB GUN.
GMH: SHOW, SHOWED HER ONE OF THOSE UH, DAISY XR15 BB GUNS THAT LOOKS LIKE A COLT COMBAT COMMANDER. SO . . . I HAD THREE OF THEM.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I HAD SHOWED HER THE GUN, BUT ONLY SHE SAID, NO, DON'T SHOW ME THE GUN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A GUN. SO ONE TIME AND THAT WAS IT. NO I TOLD HER REMEMBER TWO THINGS. ONE IS YOU BUST OUT THROUGH THE WOODS THE PURSUER HAS THE ADVANTAGE (UI) IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD OR ANYWHERE ELSE I'LL SHOOT YOU DOWN. AND I'M A GOOD SHOT LEFT OR RIGHT HANDED. (UI) AND UH, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. UH, SHE WAS NOT HAVING A BAD TIME AT ALL AND ENJOYING HERSELF ON THE HIKE. I COULD TELL THAT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: COMMENTING HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS WE HIKED FOR SEVERAL HOURS
CB: OKAY.
GMH: ALONG SHOAL CREEK. PART OF IT WAS ON AN EQUESTRIAN TRAIL AND PART OF IT WAS CROSS COUNTRY.
CB: WHAT IF YOU HAD SEEN, CAME UPON SOMEBODY? HAD, DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WHAT WAS YOU GONNA DO? HAD YOU TOLD HER NOT TO SAY ANYTHING?
GMH: YEAH. I SAID IF WE COME UPON SOMEONE DON'T DO ANYTHING OR I'M GONNA SHOOT, START SHOOTING EVERYBODY. UNLESS IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT. I TOLD HER . . .I WON'T SHOOT IT OUT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT 'CAUSE I WON'T WIN. BUT I SAID IF IT'S ANYONE ELSE, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: NO, SHE NEVER MADE ANY ATTEMPT.
CB: DID YOU, DID YOU COME UPON ANYBODY ON THE TRAIL?
GMH: NO. HELL, IT WAS ELEVEN, NO, I DIDN'T (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, WE HIKED UH, FOR SEVERAL HOURS THAT DAY. WITH THE DOGS. THE DOGS WERE LOOSE, SHE WAS LOOSE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME. AND COMMENTING ON HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS. AGAIN, SHE WASN'T HAVING A GOOD TIME
CB: YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
GMH: UH, SHE WASN'T IN UH, MENTAL DISTRESS OTHER THAN ANY KIND OF (UI)
CB: SO THIS WAS . . .
GMH: I, I, I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER, OF HER, OF HER COMFORT AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE.
CB: THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE THIRD. THE SECOND WAS THE DAY YOU WERE IN CANTON. AND . . .
GMH: THEN THE THIRD . . .
CB: YOU WENT HIKING FOR SEVERAL HOURS
GMH: AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THAT I DIDN'T TRY TO RUN THE CARDS OR DO THE END RESULT.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: I'M NOT NOT REALLY SURE.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .
GMH: AND THEN THE NEXT DAY UH, WE GOT UP AND I TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME. I'LL MOVE THIS ALONG AS YOU SAY. THE NEXT DAY WE GOT UP, TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME I TOLD HER THAT I HAD HER CELL PHONE AND I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. WHICH YOU HAVE THAT BAG FULL OF STUFF. UH, I UH, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER CELL PHONE. SHE . . .
CB: SHERIFF WHAT KIND OF PHONE CHARGER DO YOU HAVE?
SS: YOU HAVE VERIZON?
CB: YEAH. IS IT A MOTOROLA?
SS: (UI)
CB: OKAY. NEVER MIND. THAT'S ALRIGHT.
SS: YOU NEED TO USE MY PHONE.
CB: NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
(UI)
TD: IS THIS, IS THIS HIGHWAY NINE RIGHT HERE . . .
GMH: UH, WE'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT ACROSS.
TD: STRAIGHT ACROSS. RIGHT.
GMH: NOW WE'RE GONNA . . .
SS: GOING TO THE (UI)
GMH: WE WILL BE IN ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED YARDS.
SS: OKAY.
GMH: SEE A FIRE STATION AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON YOUR RIGHT.
SS: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE. WE'RE GETTING WITHIN A MILE OR SO TO SHOAL CREEK.
TD: WHICH WAY FROM HERE?
GMH: STRAIGHT ON.
TD: RIGHT.
GMH: AND WE'RE ABOUT A MILE FROM SHOAL CREEK.
CB: OKAY. YOU TOLD HER YOU, SHE WAS GOING HOME THE NEXT DAY AND YOU HAD HER STUFF BAGGED UP . . .
GMH: GOING HOME AND UH, I SAID I'M GIVING YOU ALL YOUR STUFF BACK. I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. I MADE A POINT OF SHOWING HER AS WE, SHE HELP, SHE ALWAYS HELPED ME LOAD AND UNLOAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE MY HAND WAS MESSED UP.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO, SHE WAS . . . SO . . .
CB: THAT'S NOT MEDIA IS IT?
UM: NO.
CB: WELL HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY . . .
GMH: OH, MAN. JESUS CHRIST. (UI)
SS: YOU WANT MY BOYS TO TAKE CARE OF IT?
CB: YEAH.
(BEEP)
SS: WHAT CAN WE TELL'EM, TELL 'EM TO GET OUT OF HERE?
CB: TELL 'EM THEY NEED TO LEAVE.
(UI, NOISE)
GMH: THAT'S THEIR JOB.
(UI)
CB: JOHN YOU GOT MEDIA TRUCKS OUT HERE JUST LETTING, YOU KNOW, I GOT UNION COUNTY EVACUATING THEM, UH, SHADOW CAR WE HAD. BUT UH, CALL ME BACK. WE'RE COMING INTO YOU.
GMH: OKAY. UH, AND, SO, SHE WOULD ALWAYS HELP ME UNPACK AND PACK AND SITUATE AND . . .
CB: YOU TELL ME IF WE SEE 'EM NOW 'CAUSE I'M GONNA CUT THIS LIGHT OFF AGAIN.
GMH: AND, SO IN OTHER WORDS, CONSISTENT WITH BEING KIDNAPED, SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME (LAUGHS) . . .
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . .I WOULDN'T SAY SHE'S ENJOYING IT, BUT SHE WAS . . .
CB: WELL . . .
GMH: . . . HEY, SHE WAS INTO IT. IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE.
CB: WHAT I'M ASKING UH . . .
GMH: SHE WAS AT EASE. AT EASE. TOTALLY AT EASE. (UI)
CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, DID YOU GUYS LEAVE THE SITE YOU WERE CAMPING AT AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU KILL HER BEFORE THAT?
GMH: NO, NO. OKAY. NO WE, PACKING UP AND TELLING HER, I'M TAKING HER, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . I WAS, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER AND SHOW HER HOW I MADE, SHOW HER I WAS PUTTING ALL HER STUFF TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING. PUT HER STUFF TOGETHER. SHE SAID TO ME ABOUT HER CELL PHONE SHE'S GOT ALL HER CONTACTS IN THERE. PUT HER CELL PHONE IN THERE. YEAH, SURE, I HAD JUST TAKEN OUT THE BATTERY. AND UH, AND EVERYTHING. AND I COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD BECAUSE A, WE WERE CAMPED RIGHT AT THE FORD OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND SHOAL CREEK.
CB: CALL THEM AND TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND STAY OFF.
SS: DO WHAT NOW?
CB: TELL, TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND (UI) KEEP THESE GUYS OFF OF US. (NOISE) IF THEY TRY TO COME BACK BY HERE Y'ALL STOP 'EM FOR ME. OKAY? ALRIGHT.
GMH: AND UH, WE JUST COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GONNA GO ANYWAY. BUT, SO A BIG TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, A LAWN CARE TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER OUT OF THE SHOAL CREEK AND EVERYTHING GOT HIMSELF STUCK CROSSWAYS OF THE ROAD. WE WENT NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD TO HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE RIGHT OR EAST ON (UI)
CB: HOLD ON, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. OKAY?
(NOISE)
GMH: OKAY. SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
SS: HEY, HOW YOU DOING?
UF: GOOD. HOW ARE YOU?
SS: DOING GOOD.
UF: THEY'RE ALL DOWN THERE.
SS: DOWN TO THE RIGHT?
UF: TO THE RIGHT.
SS: (UI) I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SUBURBAN TRYING TO KEEP SOME HEAT OFF OF IT BACK THERE . . .
UF: THANK YOU.
SS: . . . IF ANYBODY (UI) THANK YOU, MA'AM.
UF: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. SO . . .
GMH: OKAY. SO (UI) GOT THE ROAD BLOCKED ANYWAY AND HE SAID HE WAS CALLING NINE ONE ONE, THE DRIVER, HE HAD GOT HIMSELF, HE WAS DOWN THERE UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, WASHING EQUIPMENT OFF, PESTICIDES, THAT KIND OF THING, FERTILIZER
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OUT OF THE FORD, JUST 'CAUSE THE ROAD WAS A CONCRETE ROAD. ANYWAY, WE HEADED NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD, HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE, RIGHT, EAST ON FIFTY THREE, TO UH, HIGHWAY NINE, RIGHT, SOUTH ON HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD HERE. HERE NORTH, UH, UP TO THAT POINT, TOOK HER INTO THE FOREST, TOLD HER I WAS GETTING HER STUFF TOGETHER, I HAD TO GET THE TRUCK, 'CAUSE I, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING IN WHEN THAT GUY . . .
CB: ALRIGHT, SLOW DOWN. SLOW DOWN.
GMH: (UI)
CB: YOU CAME, YOU CAME HERE . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: AND YOU, YOU GOT HER OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE VEHICLE.
GMH: YEAH, BECAUSE I TOLD HER LISTEN, THE GUY'S STUCK DOWN THERE, SHE WAS LOOSE THE WHOLE, SHE WAS EVEN LOOSE DRIVING DOWN HERE, MAN. OKAY?
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH . . .
CB: DID SHE RIDE UP . . .
GMH: I'M KEEPING A HEADS UP . . .
CB: DID SHE RIDE UP FRONT?
GMH: NO, NO, JUST LAID DOWN IN THE BACK AND RELAXED, YOU KNOW.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: I, I ALWAYS, SHE WAS ALWAYS AT EASE AFTER THAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND . . . SO UH, TO HERE, NORTH UP THERE, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING AND I SAID HEY, HEY HON, UH, STRAIGHT ON.
CB: IS THIS IT?
GMH: NO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT GOOFED UP. THIS IS NOT IT. IT'S, I TOLD YOU THE FIRST ROAD, KEEP ON GOING. THAT'S WHY THEY MET, I WASN'T COUNTING THAT ROAD. WE, WE GOT TO GO ON. THAT'S WHY THEY COULDN'T FIND IT.
CB: ALRIGHT, HOLD ON.
GMH: TELL 'EM . . .
CB: HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. (PAUSE) LET'S WAIT ON THEM. ALRIGHT?
SS: I NEED TO TINKLE ANYWAY. (UI)
GMH: UH, SO DO I. WELL, WE, I'LL WAIT TILL WE GET OUT THERE OR WHATEVER.
(DOOR CLOSES)
(PAUSE, NOISE)
CB: ALRIGHT. SO . . .
GMH: OH, AT ANY RATE, YEAH . . .
CB: CAME TO, CAME TO THIS LOCATION.
GMH: BUT JUST REAL QUICK BACK UP. WHEN THAT THING GOT STUCK I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW. THE, THAT GUY'S STUCK, THE LAW'S COMING, HE'S CALLED, MAN, WE JUMPED . . . SHE HELPED ME. I MEAN, SHE JUMPED RIGHT INTO. WE JUST GRABBED EVERYTHING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO, WE JUST HAD PILES OF STUFF IN THE VAN, JUST EVERYTHING WE HAD THROWN IN THE VAN AND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . PILED UP. SHE JUMPED IN AND WE TOOK OFF. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED MAN. YOU KNOW.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: DROVE TO HERE, I SAID HEY, I GOTTA GET THIS STUFF ARRANGED. WE'RE GONNA LET YOU GO, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, I'VE GOTTA MOVE YOU OFF HERE, THE LAW'S ALL OVER THE PLACE AND EVERYTHING. DROVE DOWN HERE, PARKED, I, I WALKED HER INTO THE WOODS, GOT, GOT UH, TWO SLEEPING BAGS. I GOT AN AIR, I GOT A MATTRESS FOR HER TO SIT ON, TWO BAGS TO PUT OVER HER. A LENGTH OF CHAIN. TOOK HER DOWN TO THE, THE LOCATION WHERE SHE WAS KILLED. SECURED HER TO A TREE. WALKED BACK TO THE VAN. I'M STAGGERING AROUND BY NOW. YOU KNOW. I AM JUST, I HAVE HAD IT. I CAN'T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT. I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST STAGGERING, YOU KNOW.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: (UI) I'M JUST STAGGERING. MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: WENT, KINDA GOT MYSELF TOGETHER, MADE SOME COFFEE AND EVERYTHING. GOT AN IRON BAR, A JACK HANDLE, WALKED BACK, TOLD HER IT, OKAY . . . AND UH, AT THAT POINT SHE WAS, SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK (UI, LAUGHS) YOU GLAD TO SEE ME AND SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK. I GAVE HER A BOOK TO READ AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THERE. AND I WALKED UP AND MADE AS IF TO UH, UNSECURE THE CHAIN, UH, STRUCK HER WITH THE BAR UH . . .
CB: WHAT, WHAT, WHAT BAR?
GMH: IT, IT WAS A, A JACK HANDLE. UH, A, JUST A STRAIGHT JACK HANDLE. THE SOLID IRON, IRON BAR. UH, STRUCK HER WITH THAT. UH, SHE SAID NO, LET ME GO. PUT HER HANDS UP, UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER AND SHE, YOU'LL SEE SOME DEFENSIVE WOUNDS TO HER HANDS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SHE LOST CONSCIOUSNESS AND UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER TO ENSURE SHE WAS DEAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, THEN UH, I UNSECURED HER UH, REMOVED HER CLOTHING TO, FOR FORENSIC EVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S, WELL ACTUALLY THE, THE BLUE JACKET YOU HAVE UH, THAT'S SOAKED WITH HER BLOOD . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THAT'S MINE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THE, THE PILE PULLOVER, THE FLEECE PULLOVER THAT'S SOAKED WITH BLOOD . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THAT'S MINE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, THE PANTS UH, PILE PANTS THAT SHE WO, SHE HAD A PAIR OF SWEATPANTS ON BUT SHE HAD A PILE OF, A PAIR OF PILE PANTS ON...
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OR OVER THAT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THAT'S MINE. UH, SHE WAS WEARING A LOT OF MY CLOTHES 'CAUSE I KEPT HER DRESSED WARMLY.
CB: UH HUH. RIGHT.
GMH: THAT'S ALL MINE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, SO REMOVED THAT CLOTHE, UH, CLOTHING UH, AND UH, AT THAT TIME REMOVED THE HEAD. AGAIN . . .
CB: UH, LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, YOU HIT HER WITH THE BAR THAT YOU HAD . . .
GMH: YES.
CB: WHICH IS, WHICH IS LIKE A TIRE IRON OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE?
GMH: IT'S, IT BELONGS TO THE JACK WHICH COMES WITH AN ASTRO.
CB: I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. COMES WITH . . .
GMH: IT'S A STRAIGHT, IT'S STRAIGHT . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, ONE END IS A LUG WRENCH . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THING . . .
CB: . . . AND WHERE IS IT AT?
GMH: IT'S, IT'S LAYING ON THE GRASS AT THE GAS STATION IN CUMMING, BUT, WHERE MY VAN WAS PARKED.
CB: IT'S IN THE GRASS . . .
GMH: LAYING ON THE GRASS BY THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . NEAR THE DUMPSTER WHERE I WAS PARKED WHEN I WAS PUTTING IT IN THE DUMPSTER . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . AND MAKING THE PHONE CALL. I JUST TOOK THAT TIRE IRON AND PLACED IT ON THE GRASS.
CB: ON THE GRASS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. CARRY ON ABOUT UH, BASICALLY REMOVING . . .
GMH: OKAY. RE, REMOVED HER HEAD . . .
CB: REMOVED THE HEAD.
GMH: WITH A UH, SERRATED KNIFE, WHICH YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN THE DUMPSTER, I THINK IT'S THERE . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . UH . . . AND UH . . . AND UH . . .
CB: A SE, A SERRATED KNIFE?
GMH: YEAH. LIKE A BUTCHER KNIFE OR A KIT, A KIT, A KITCHEN KNIFE. A LONG . . .
CB: AND, AND THAT WAS IN THE DUMPSTER AS WELL.
GMH: I BELIEVE SO. I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH (UI) THAT . . .
CB: CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT FOR ME? IS IT A FOLDING KNIFE? IS IT . . .
GMH: NO, IT IS A KITCHEN KNIFE JUST LIKE IT WOULD COME IN A SET OF SERRATED KNIVES. UH, ONE SIDED, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE SHARPENED EDGE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IT'S JUST YOUR STANDARD, GENERIC, CHEAP, TWELVE INCH, YOU WOULD CALL IT A BUTCHER KNIFE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I GUESS YOU WOULD.
CB: WAS THAT, WAS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT DIFFICULT TO DO, TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S HEAD OFF? I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE, I MEAN, IS IT, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING . . .
GMH: WELL . . .
CB: . . . FOR MY, I, I . . .
GMH: . . . I, I UNDERSTAND.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND IT UH, DIDN'T SEEM REAL, IT DOESN'T SEEM REAL, LOOKING BACK ON IT.
CB: I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE, I CAN'T IMAGINE A KITCHEN KNIFE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
GMH: THIS IS A, A KNIFE WITH A BLADE THIS LONG . . .
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: THAT'S SERRATED. AND SO IT'S A SAW.
CB: OH, OKAY. I GOTCHA, I GOTCHA.
GMH: IT'S JUST SAWING. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS KEEP SAWING, SAWING . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . SAWING . . .
CB: I GOTCHA.
GMH: . . . SAWING, SAWING. AND THEN GET THROUGH THE JOINT. IT'S JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, THAT'S WHAT IT'S MADE FOR IN THE KITCHEN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TO CUT UP MEAT.
CB: RIGHT. OKAY.
GMH: WHAT YOU WOULD USE TO, IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER THAN YOU WOULD USE TO CUT A CHICKEN UP.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: BUT YOU'D CUT UP, UH, LEG OF LAMB OR ANYTHING ELSE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: JUST A, GOT, IT'S, THE BLADE IS STRAIGHT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT COMES TO A POINT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, AND ONE SIDE IS SHARP AND THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT'S A HANDLE WITH NO HILT ON IT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND IT'S JUST THAT KIND OF STANDARD KNIFE. A KITCHEN . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD GET A SET OF THESE KNIVES WITH ONE BLADE THIS LONG, AND YOU'D HAVE A PARING KNIFE THAT LONG . . .
CB: I, I . . .
GMH: THEN YOU HAVE A BLADE THAT LONG AND IT WAS . . .
CB: I KNOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU . . .
GMH: . . . ONE WITH A BLADE THAT LONG.
CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
GMH: SIMPLE AS CAN BE.
CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU . . . YEAH.
GMH: JUST A CHEAP KNIFE.
CB: YEAH. I'M, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: UH, AND YOU, AND YOU THREW THAT INTO THE DUMPSTER IN CUMMING, I, I BELIEVE YOU SAID? OR . . .
GMH: I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT ENDED UP.
CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. THERE WAS A SHEATH TO A BAYONET IN, IN . . .
GMH: THAT WAS THE BAYONET THAT I LOST CONTROL OF AND THAT, THAT . . .
CB: AND IT SHOULD STILL BE ON THE MOUNTAIN.
GMH: IT SHOULD BE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I WENT IN AND LOOKED FOR IT, BUT I, I, I, APPARENTLY IT WAS COVERED BY LEAVES . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . AND, AND I BRUSHED AROUND THE LEAVES, BUT I COULDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME NOW BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA COME ALONG AT ANY MINUTE. YOU KNOW.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: SO THAT BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OKAY? BUT THAT'S THE BAYONET THAT, I DROPPED 'EM BOTH. I DROPPED BOTH THE BAYONET AND THAT, THE BAT. I WAS NOT FUNCTIONING WELL.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND, DID YOU CONCEAL HER HEAD IN ANYTHING, OR DID YOU UH . . .
GMH: NO. I BAGGED HER HEAD. .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IN A WHITE BAG AND TOOK IT WITH ME.
CB: TRASH BAG?
GMH: WHITE TRASH BAG.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: TOOK THAT AND THE TWO SLEEPING BAGS SHE WAS USING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . AND THE MATTRESS AND THE BOOK SHE WAS READING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: BACK TO THE VAN, DROVE UP A HALF A MILE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO THE NEXT PLACE WE'LL BE GOING.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND TOOK SOME OF HER BLOODY CLOTHES, SOME OF HER CLOTHES . . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, ACTUALLY THE CLOTHES THAT I DISCARDED WERE HER CLOTHES. THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE LOCATION OF THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . .
CB: BLOW, BLOW THE HORN A COUPLE OF TIMES, SHERIFF.
(HORN BLOWS)
GMH: THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED IN THE DUMPSTER WERE MY CLOTHES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THAT I WANTED TO KEEP AND WASH BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE CLOTHES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. I STILL DIDN'T (UI)
CB: THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER THING I, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KINDA PUZZLED ME. BUT I'LL GET, I'LL GET TO THAT. YOU BASICALLY TOOK THE HEAD ON TO THE OTHER, THE SECOND LOCATION.
GMH: RIGHT. FOUND, PUT IT UP AGAINST A, A LOG . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: PULLED THE BAG OFF OF IT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: COVERED IT UP.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: TOOK HER BLOODY CLOTHES . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: WHICH WERE ALSO IN A SEPARATE, WHICH WERE IN A SEPARATE WHITE BAG . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TOOK 'EM TWENTY FEET WEST . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND COVERED THOSE UP.
CB: OKAY. SO THEY'RE TWENTY FEET WEST OF THE . . .
GMH: YEAH, YEAH.
CB: HEAD.
GMH: AND I TOOK THEM OUT OF THE WHITE BAG.
CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK . . .
GMH: AND I THINK I LEFT THE WHITE BAGS ALSO THERE COVERED UP.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPOSE EVERY, EVERYTHING TO THE ELEMENTS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: RATHER THAN KEEP 'EM BAGGED.
CB: RIGHT. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, YOU, YOU SAID YOU TOOK HER CLOTHES OFF, UH, AT THAT POINT . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: DID YOU TAKE EVERYTHING FROM HER? DID YOU TAKE HER UNDERWEAR AND EVERYTHING OR JUST UH . . .
GMH: I TOOK EVERYTHING, HER UNDERWEAR, AND EVERYTHING EXCEPT HER NAVEL RING. HER NAVEL PIERCING RING.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, THAT WAS TO REMOVE ANY, YOU KNOW, CLOTHING THAT SOAKS UP FIBERS . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: LIKE, LIKE A FLASH. I UH, THE BLEACH . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I POURED LIQUID BLEACH ALL OVER HER . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . TO ANY DNA. AND I KNEW, I KNEW BLEACH WOULD NOT DESTROY FIBERS . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: BUT I, THAT ANY DNA SHE MAY HAVE PICKED UP FROM MY CLOTHES, SHE'D BEEN WEARING MY CLOTHES FOR NOW WHAT, THREE DAYS. . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OR SOMETHING AND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I POURED LIQUID BLEACH OVER HER AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT TO, DONE TO PRECLUDE IDENTIFICATION . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, OTHER THAN AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I'D EVEN BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HER. SO UH, AND I, I FELT, I KNEW THE BODY WOULD BE FOUND SOONER OR LATER, THESE BODIES, THE BODY IN HERE SOONER OR LATER IS GONNA COME TO LIGHT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT IS. AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST BODY THAT'S BEEN DISCARDED HERE.
SS: DID YOU TALK TO JOHN?
CB: NO, I CAN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM.
SS: (UI) SHOW HIM WHERE THE . . .
CB: WHERE'S HE AT?
SS: HEAD WAS. (UI)
JC: I'LL FOLLOW YOU.
SS: OKAY.
CB: (UI) HEY.
SS: JOHN.
CB: WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING TO?
SS: THEY GOT THE BODY.
JC: GO WHERE THE HEAD IS. WE FOUND THE BODY.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. TAKE US TO WHERE THE HEAD IS. OKAY?
(NOISE)
GMH: THEN I LEFT, HEADED UH, SOUTH TO THAT GAS STATION WHERE I MADE THE CALL TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY. I'M DOWN TO, I THINK IT WAS EIGHTEEN DOLLARS . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND I'M GETTING LOW ON GLASS, GAS.
CB: THIS WAS IN CUMMING?
GMH: YEAH. THAT GAS STATION. I TOOK HER DOG WITH ME AND I FOUND A LOCATION WHERE I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY.
CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, I KNOW THAT YOU MADE A PHONE CALL FROM MARBLE HILL ALSO. AT ONE POINT.
GMH: YOU MEAN UH, FROM A HUDDLE HOUSE?
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THAT WAS TO MY EMPLOYER JOHN TABER TO GET TO UH, BEG MY OLD JOB BACK.
CB: RIGHT. AND WAS SHE . . .
GMH: I'VE HAD . . .
CB: . . . ALREADY DEAD AT THAT POINT? OR . . .
GMH: NO.
CB: OKAY. SO WHAT DAY WAS THAT ON? WAS THAT THE DAY YOU GUYS WENT HIKING, WAS IT THE DAY AFTER YOU WENT HIKING?
GMH: THAT WAS THE DAY WE WENT HIKING. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OKAY. I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING AND THEN WE'LL . . .
SS: I'M SORRY. THEY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION . . .
CB: TELL, YEAH, I'M SORRY . . .
GMH: NO, WE GOT . . .
SS: WHERE THE BODY IS . . .
GMH: THAT'S THE BODY. AND, AND WE'RE GOING UP TO THE, THE UH, A ROAD ON THE TOP OF A RIDGE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IT MAY BE THE SECOND GATED ROAD, I THINK IT'S THE SECOND GATED ROAD. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. I TOLD HER THAT NIGHT WE WOULD GO, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY TRIED CAMPING, THE CARDS WEREN'T RUNNING. I SAID I'M FINISHED WITH THESE CARDS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I'M GONNA GO GET SOME MONEY FROM A FRIEND, ONCE I GET THAT MONEY IN MY POCKET, SOME RUNNING MONEY, I'M GONNA LET YOU GO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SO WE WENT HIKING THAT DAY. AND THEN WE HEADED OSTENSIBLY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM MY FRIEND.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I STOPPED AT THAT CAR, THAT, THAT PHONE IN A HUDDLE HOUSE OR WAFFLE HOUSE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: CALLED MY, NO, SHE WAS IN THE VAN.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: SHE WAS IN THE VAN, LOOSELY SECURED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: JUST AGAIN AT THE UH . . .
CB: KEEP ON GOING, KEEP GOING (UI) NOW YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T . . .
GMH: OH NO, I'M GONNA TELL YOU. YOU CAN'T MISS IT.
CB: . . . WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT . . .
GMH: NO, JUST GO ON UP THE, THE ROAD'S GONNA BE TO YOUR LEFT AT THE TOP OF A RIDGE AND WHEN YOU START GOING DOWN HILL YOU WILL HAVE GONE TOO FAR. SO . . .WE, WE HAVEN'T CROSSED A LITTLE BRIDGE YET, HAVE WE? SO I THINK, WE CAN, UH, ANYWAY, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
SS: YES, WE DID.
GMH: WE DID? OKAY.
(UI)
GMH: SO . . . NO, SHE WAS ALIVE AND IN THE VAN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. BECAUSE UH, I CALLED MY OLD BOSS UH, GOT (UI) BUT I HAD, NOW I HAD NOTHING, NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. YOU KNOW. I (UI)
CB: WHAT WAS YOUR PLANS? WERE YOU PLANNING ON LEAVING OR GETTING OUT OF TOWN OR . . .
GMH: WELL, UH, I DIDN'T UH, I DIDN'T KNOW. UH, I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, I CALLED HIM TO SEE ABOUT WORKING FOR HIM. I, I, I, OR GET, I WAS, WELL NO, I, I TOLD HIM I WANTED SOME MONEY. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WORK FOR HIM AND TO LEAVE ME SOME MONEY UH, AT HIS OFFICE, UH, WHERE I USED TO LIVE. . THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, THAT'S THAT CALL. THEN I CAME BACK AND TOLD HER THAT I HAD GOT THE MONEY LINED UP BUT I COULDN'T GET IT TONIGHT AND WE'D GET IT TOMORROW. SO THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP SPENDING TWO NIGHTS.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: AND UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
CB: ALRIGHT. AND, SO THE MORNING, THE DAY THAT YOU, THE DAY THAT YOU WERE DISCARDING THE CLOTHING THAT'S THE DAY SHE DIED. IS THAT ACCURATE . . .
GMH: YES, YES.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS?
GMH: MAN, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE A . . . UH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN UH, TWO HOURS BEFORE.
CB: IS IT GONNA BE THIS ROAD HERE?
GMH: UH KEEP ON GOING A LITTLE MORE SHERIFF, UH . . . WAIT . . . NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. UH, NEXT. LET'S GO ON UP TO THE TOP . . . NO, THAT, THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT (LAUGHS) . . . I THOUGHT IT'S A POOR OLD CAMPER OUT HERE (UI) . . .THIS IS GOING UP TO THE, IT'LL BE THE TOP AND THE ROAD THEN WILL GO DOWN HILL TO THE LEFT. AFTER WE UH, AFTER WE PASS THAT ROAD. BUT WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER UH, RISE TO GO OVER. SHERIFF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS AND THEN DOWN AND UP AGAIN. SO JUST GO ON. UP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS RIDGE AND THEN DOWN INTO A HOLLOW AND THEN UP AGAIN.
SS: UH HUH.
GMH: AND BY THE WAY. SHE WAS LAYING IN THE BACK UNSECURED WHEN I WAS HEADED THIS WAY. AND I TURNED AROUND RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE I, I STOPPED HERE. I SAW A PICKUP UP THERE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. BUT I STOPPED HERE, BACKED IN AND TURNED AROUND, TO THE KILL LOCATION. AND THERE WAS A PICKUP THERE AND AS HE DROVE BY AND I WAVED AT HIM. IT WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT.
CB: REALLY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS THAT CLOSE. IT WAS THAT CLOSE. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED EITHER.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: WHICH IS, I TOLD HER JUMP IN THE VAN AND LET'S GO. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED THE WHOLE TRIP AROUND, MAN.
(COUGH)
CB: OKAY. THE UH . . . (PAUSE) . . . UH, I, I GOTTA ASK YOU THIS. WAS THERE ANY UH, SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN YOU TWO?
GMH: NO
CB: AND, AND KEEP IN MIND NOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND OUT, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING YOU NOW IF IT, IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, WAS THERE ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU?
GMH: YES.
CB: THERE WAS?
GMH: YES. ONE TIME. FIRST NIGHT. I TOLD HER, HONEY, UH, IT WASN'T FORCIBLE, BUT OF COURSE IT WAS UNWANTED . . .
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: SO IT WAS RAPE. BUT IT WASN'T FORCIBLE.
CB: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: UH, AND I TOLD HER, HONEY, I TOLD YOU I WAS GONNA LET YOU GO...
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, YOU'VE RUN ME ALL OVER NORTH GEORGIA. MADE ME PUT A HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES ON MY VAN. WE STILL DON'T, YOU LIED TO ME, YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, GIVE ME SOME PUSSY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE DID. I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN . . .
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW.
CB: I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: IT WAS. IT WAS UNWANTED. THIS IS IT UH, UP HERE. UH, HOLD IT. JUST KEEP GOING. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE JUST GOING TO, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE IT. THIS IS GONNA BE IT. SEE, IT'S DOWN HILL AND THEN THERE'S A (UI) TURN LEFT, GO UP, THERE'S A PARKING LOT TO THE RIGHT OF THE UH, GATE UP THERE. BY THE PARKING LOT. PARKING SPACE.
SS: HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE GATE?
GMH: AND YOU'LL GO UH, FROM THE GATE, OH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, PULL OVER HERE AND LEAVE ROOM FOR THESE GUYS . . . AND YOU SEE ALL THESE TREES LINING THE ROAD OR . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OKAY. WELL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GO DOWN, OH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE FORTY, FIFTY FEET, TO THE RIGHT. GO THROUGH THESE TREES. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF, OF TREES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. STEP OVER THESE TREES, GET DOWN MORE INTO WHERE IT'S CLEAR. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER TREE DOWN ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. THIS WAY.
CB: HOW FAR DOWN?
GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET.
(UI)
GMH: WALK THE ROAD. CUT RIGHT. YEAH, 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY THICK TO GET THROUGH. (UI)
JC: THIRTY YARDS?
CB: YOU WANT TO WALK HIM OUT THERE AND GET HIM TO SHOW YOU?
GMH: YOU WANT ME TO WALK OUT THERE?
JC: YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
CB: HE'S NOT CUFFED. HE'S NOT CUFFED.
SS: GOT LEG IRONS ON?
CB: YEAH, HE'S GOT LEG IRONS.
(NOISE, UI)
CB: (UI)
(NOISE)
CB: MR. HILTON.
GMH: HUH?
CB: AS WE WALK I'M GONNA ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE THINGS, OKAY? IF YOU DON'T MIND.
GMH: UM HUM, SURE
(NOISE, DOOR CLOSES)
GMH: I'M GONNA SECURE THESE GLASSES, THROW THESE GLASSES RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
CB: OKAY. I WILL REMEMBER THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE. OKAY?
GMH: OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: WRAP THAT BLANKET AROUND YOU. I KNOW YOU GET KINDA COLD. BUT REMEMBER YOU GOTTA SHUFFLE FEET NOW ON THOSE THINGS. ALRIGHT?
GMH: OKAY.
CB: UH, MR. HILTON, CAN I ASK YOU THIS RIGHT QUICK?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: YOU UH, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ONE SEXUAL ENCOUNTER.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WAS, WAS THAT THE ONLY ONE?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: THERE WASN'T ANYTHING POST-MORTEM, RIGHT?
GMH: NO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OH, NO. AND UH, THAT WAS IT, UH, UH, AND IT WASN'T WORTH IT.
CB: ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW US WHERE WE NEED TO TURN OFF INTO THE WOODS AND WE'LL CALL THAT IT.
(WALKING)
SS: WANT ME TO TURN THEM LIGHTS ON?
JC: YEAH.
GMH: YEAH.
GMH: LET ME UH, LET ME WALK UP HERE . . .
(NOISE, UI)
GMH: MAYBE I CAN GET, PUT YOUR LIGHT AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET UP THROUGH THERE . . .
CB: NO, THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN JUST STAY RIGHT THERE. OKAY, MR. HILTON?
GMH: OKAY.
CB: LET US, LET THEM CHECK FIRST.
GMH: GO ON THROUGH, GET THROUGH UNTIL THE WOODS THIN OUT. AND THEN LOOK KINDA TO YOUR LEFT. YOU'LL SEE A LONG TREE TRUNK LAYING THERE. ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. OR ALIGNED WITH THE ROAD MORE OR LESS. AND THEN LOOK ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF IT TOWARDS THE WEST END. OR YOUR LEFT END.
(NOISE)
CB: HEY, JOHN.
JC: YEAH.
CB: REMEMBER THERE SHOULD BE SOME CLOTHING ABOUT, HOW FAR?
GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET UH, WEST OR . . .
CB: TWENTY FEET TO YOUR LEFT.
GMH: TO YOUR LEFT. AND . . .
CB: DOWN THAT WAY.
GMH: THEY ARE GONNA BE BURIED MORE OR LESS IN KIND OF A DEPRESSION IN THE GROUND, NOT BURIED, BUT COVERED WITH LEAVES . . .
CB: COVERED WITH LEAVES IN KIND OF A HOLE IN THE GROUND.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: ABOUT TWENTY FEET TO THE LEFT OF YOU.
GMH: IT'LL BE HER SWEAT CLOTHES, SWEATSHIRT, AND UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY WILL BE THE BLOODY WHITE BAGS THAT THE UH, ALL THE ITEMS HAD BEEN CONTAINED IN. I'M GONNA STEP OVER HERE AND TINKLE IF I MAY? MAY I?
CB: UH, NO. YOU MAY NOT. STEP RIGHT BACK UP HERE WITH ME AND WE WILL.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: WE ARE TECHNICALLY IN A . . .
GMH: OKAY, OKAY.
CB: A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. WE DON'T WANT YOU DOING IT RIGHT HERE. (LAUGHS)
GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN, UH, CONTAMINATING THE CRIME SCENE?
CB: WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MUCH ISSUE WITH IT NOW, BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL WALK RIGHT UP HERE AND LET YOU HANDLE THAT. OKAY?
GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN TECHNICALLY IN AN UNSECURED ENVIRONMENT. NO. OKAY, OKAY. YOU TELL ME. IS IT OKAY?
CB: HOLD, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. OKAY. WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO THESE GENTLEMEN AND WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT? (NOISE)
UM: (UI)
GMH: YES. BUT THERE ARE TWO BLOODY WHITE BAGS NEARBY ALSO SEPARATELY COVERED UP. THERE'S NOTHING IN THEM, THEY JUST CONTAINED ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE FOUND.
CB: THEY'RE JUST TWO WHITE TRASH BAGS HAVE SOME BLOOD ON THEM THAT USED TO CONTAIN THE CLOTHING.
GMH: AND THE HEAD.
CB: AND THE HEAD.
UM: TWO WHITE BAGS (UI)
GMH: ALTHOUGH I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHICH WAY THEY, THEY, THEY'RE AT. YOU KNOW. THEY WERE JUST . . . I DON'T REMEMBER (UI)
CB: JOHN. I'M GONNA ESCORT HIM BACK UP OUTSIDE THE FENCE AND LET HIM UH . . .
JC: STAND BY JUST A SECOND AND LET ME GET TO YOU.
CB: ALRIGHT.
(NOISE)
CB: I APOLOGIZE. WE ACTUALLY MOVED UPHILL FROM WHERE WE WERE.
GMH: YEAH. WELCOME TO CROSS COUNTRY.
CB: ALRIGHT.
JC: CLAY.
CB: YES SIR.
JC: (UI)
CB: ALRIGHT.
(NOISE)
JC: UH, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN TRANSPORT HIM BACK.
CB: OKAY.
JC: WE FOUND . . .
CB: SHERIFF.
JC: DO YOU NEED TO (UI) I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, SOME KIND OF TOOL, A TIRE TOOL, SOMEWHERE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS?
CB: YES, I KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT. UH . . .
JC: DO Y'ALL THINK HE'S IN, DO THINK YOU NEED TO KEEP HIM HERE ANY LONGER?
CB: NO, AND, AND I WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NEED BE COULD WE COME BACK AND, AND DISCUSS MAYBE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT'S POSSIBLY ABOUT UH, LOCATIONS ON THE TIRE TOOL IF WE DON'T FIND IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. JUST TO SURE UP THIS, THIS (UI).
GMH: I CAN CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU RIGHT THERE. GO TO THE GAS STATION.
CB: IN CUMMING.
GMH: IN CUMMING.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: GO TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: PULL UP.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH, WELL YOU BETTER, WRITE IT, GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, IN OTHER WORDS THERE'S ONE SPACE NEXT TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEN THE SECOND PARKING, SECOND THIRD, SECOND OR THIRD PARKING SPACE NORTH . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OF THE AIR PRESSURE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THEN EAST OF THAT IS A GRASS BORDER OR APRON WHICH GOES AROUND THE STATION.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S A FENCE, OR A IRON, UH, THERE'S A FENCE. . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OF A TYPE THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UH, AND IT WOULD BE, IF A VEHICLE WERE PARKED NOSE IN INTO THAT SPACE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT WOULD BE UH, UH, FIVE FEET FROM THE NOSE OF THAT VEHICLE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S AT THE VERY EDGE OF THE GAS STATION PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A DROP OFF FROM THERE . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: LIKE AN ABUTMENT OR SOMETHING.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT IF IT'S STILL THERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT. JUST GO TO THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE. GO TO THE THIRD SPACE NORTH OF IT . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEN IT, YOU, IF, IF YOU PARK A VEHICLE IN THAT SPACE THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU'VE GONE NORTH. AND THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THE GAS STATION IS BEHIND YOU. THE (UI) THE GAS STATION . . .
(BACKGROUND TALKING, RE MOVING A CAR)
CB: YES.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: OKAY. UH, I THINK . . .
GMH: AND THAT . . .
CB: . . . I GOT THE GIST OF IT.
GMH: OH, YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU . . .
CB: LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, IF, IF WE DIDN'T FIND THE KNIFE IN THAT DUMPSTER WHERE WOULD IT BE?
GMH: I DON'T KNOW.
CB: OKAY. BUT YOU THINK YOU EITHER DISCARDED IT THERE OR THE ONE IN THE CAMP . . .
GMH: THAT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S PRETTY . . .
CB: . . . WHERE YOU WERE PARKED?
GMH: IT'S PRETTY MUCH BE, GOTTA BE THERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OR, BUT . . .
CB: THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO DUMPSTERS THAT YOU DISCARDED ANYTHING IN.
GMH: RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, AND THAT THERE, THAT THERE. YEAH.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH. SO IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD ENOUGH.
GMH: YOU CAN'T . . .
CB: SHERIFF.
SS: ON MY WAY.
CB: ALRIGHT.
(NOISE, DOOR CLOSES)
SS: (UI) GONNA TRY TO COME (UI)
GMH: OH, THAT'S THE BEST WAY.
SS: OH, IS IT?
GMH: OH, YEAH. YEAH. LOOK, LOOK WHERE I PUT HER. YOU, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE BEST WAY RIGHT THERE.
SS: WELL . . . UH . . .
(NOISE)
CB: I THINK HE GOT OUT ANYWAY.
(UI)
CB: WE MAY NEED TO GET THE TRUCK UP HERE OR SOMETHING. UH, MR. HILTON WE'LL LET YOU GO RIGHT UP HERE . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: AND UH, THEN SHERIFF WILL PROBABLY BE TRANSPORTING YOU BACK OR SOMEBODY WILL ANYWAY.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: UH, I ASSUME THAT Y'ALL WILL NOT HAVE ME ON THE RIDE BACK, BUT UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD ME THAT YOU THINK I NEED TO KNOW?
GMH: NO. ABSOLUTELY.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .
GMH: IF THERE'S ANY POINT IN YOUR MIND THAT IS UNCLEAR, ASK.
CB: WELL . . .
GMH: BUT I, YOU'VE GOT IT TIED UP. WE RUSHED A LITTLE AT THE END BUT IT WAS . . .
CB: I'M UH . . .
GMH: . . . (UI) YOU KNOW.
CB: WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M KINDA CURIOUS ABOUT THE CHAINS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE FLOOR OF YOUR VEHICLE.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS INCIDENT? I MEAN, WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT YOU WERE PLANNING ON DOING THIS TIME OR . . .
NS: I THINK HE ANSWERED THAT. HE SAID HE WAS HAULING A GENERATOR.
CB: OH, OKAY.
NS: (UI)
GMH: WELL, I HAD TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT I LIKE TO SECURE. ONE IS THE GENERATOR INSIDE THE VAN AND A HAND TRUCK . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: A NEW SEVEN FOOT HAND TRUCK WHICH . . .
CB: RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY DURING THIS INCIDENT THEY WEREN'T THERE.
GMH: NO THEY WEREN'T, BUT THEY HAVE STAYED . . .
CB: WHEN YOU BROUGHT THEM . . .
GMH: THEY HAVE STAYED IN THE VAN.
CB: RIGHT. SO, SO, THEY WEREN'T ATTACHED TO THE FRAME AT THAT POINT. WAS, WAS THAT THE CASE THAT YOU WANTED TO USE THOSE TO CHAIN HER TO IF YOU BROUGHT HER DOWN?
NS: I GUESS HE'S ASKING, AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALREADY . . .
CB: I THINK HE'S ASKING IF IT'S OKAY . .
GMH: NO. THEY, THEY WERE . . .
UM: IF THEY WERE ALREADY ATTACHED (UI)
GMH: . . . THEY WERE, THEY WERE LEFT THERE ATTACHED SO THE GENERATOR IS NORMALLY STORED BEHIND THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
CB: WELL, WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH.
CB: THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME (UI)
GMH: OH, NO, THE GENERATOR WASN'T THERE BUT THE CHAIN WAS JUST LEFT IN PLACE. AND IT WAS REALLY CARRIED IN ERROR THAN UH, NORMALLY I WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE IT IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE GENERATOR WITH ME.
CB: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: BUT IT WAS JUST, THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR JUNK THAT, JUST LIKE THE TRUNK OF YOUR CAR. YOU END UP WITH YOUR GOLF CLUBS IN THERE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU'RE NOT PLAYING GOLF . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND SO FORTH.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .
GMH: CAN I TINKLE OVER HERE SOMEWHERE?
CB: YEAH. LET'S GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
(UI)
CB: DO, DO WHAT? (UI, NOISE)
GMH: (UI) TRUCK JUST LIKE THAT THAT DROVE RIGHT PAST US UP THERE.
(UI)
CB: YEAH.
GMH: HE LOOKED RIGHT AT ME AND I WAVED AND SHE WAS JUST LAYING THERE.
CB: RIGHT HERE'S A DECENT SPOT.
GMH: OKAY. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
CB: NO, WE KNOW THAT.
GMH: (LAUGHS) LITTLE LATE FOR THAT NOW. NO THAT'S FINE. I DON'T NEED A LIGHT TO PEE. IT'S GONNA TAKE ME A LITTLE BIT.
UM: OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
GMH: I HAVE AN ENLARGED PROSTATE SO I CAN'T HOLD IT AND I CAN'T GO.
(PAUSE)
CB: I MAY HAVE TO BORROW YOUR CHARGER, SHERIFF. OH, WELL, ACTUALLY IT MAY BE MY CHARGER. WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CHARGER?
SS: THAT'S ONE I GOT TWO.
CB: OH, OKAY, OKAY.
SS: I GOT THREE (UI) HERE.
CB: YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SS: WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME SWITCHING OUT (UI)
CB: DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR OTHER, DO YOU WANT YOUR OTHER GUYS TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK AND YOU HANG AROUND, OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT. UH, HE SHOULD BE READY TO GO BACK.
SS: DEATON AND ME. WE MAY HANG AROUND UP THERE. Y'ALL DON'T CARE.
CB: YEAH. NO, NO, NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT UH, I . . . WHO, WHO, WHOEVER YOU CAN GET TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK . . .
SS: (UI) THEY'S FOUR (UI)
CB: IS THEY ROOM FOR UH . . .
GMH: I DROPPED A UH . . .
CB: (UI)
GMH: I UH, I'M GONNA PICK THIS UP I DROPPED, DROPPED THAT RIGHT THERE (UI) Y'ALL THINK IT'S PART OF THE CRIME SCENE OR . . . THEY'LL BE ANALYZING THIS THING. YEAH. OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: MR. HILTON, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU AND I'M GONNA DO IT IN FRONT OF YOUR ATTORNEY. I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK YOU ANYTHING WITHOUT HIM HERE. (NOISE) WAS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU AT ALL, TO, TO DO THIS? AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS . . .
GMH: I, I KNOW.
CB: AS FAR AS TAKE HER LIFE? WAS IT DIFFICULT AT ALL? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT IT . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: . . . OR WAS, YOU JUST NEEDED HER FOR A NECESSITY FOR YOU?
GMH: NO, NO, IT . . .
CB: IS THAT . . .
GMH: BUT, IT WAS LIKE AN, AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS SURREAL . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OF COURSE IT'S SURREALISTIC.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: REMOVING A HEAD IS JUST UNREAL.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UNREAL.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK BACK ON IT AND YOU SAY, THAT WASN'T EVEN REAL.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I WAS JUST IN UH, YOU MIGHT SAY AN ALTERED STATE? I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. IT WAS HARD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS HARD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS HARD. I, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WE HAD UH, SPENT SEVERAL GOOD DAYS TOGETHER ACTUALLY.
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
GMH: ACTUALLY SHE DID NOT HAVE A UNPLEASANT TIME . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: CONSISTENT WITH BEING . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: KIDNAPED. NOT AN UNPLEASANT, SHE COOPERATED, WE, WE DID ALL THE CAMPING ACTIVITIES TOGETHER.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE, EVERY TIME WE WOULD LOAD AND UNLOAD SHE WOULD HELP ME LOAD AND UNLOAD.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: WHEN WE HAD TO SUDDENLY MOVE WHEN THAT UH, TANK TRUCK UH, GOT STUCK AND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . THE GUY SAID I'M CALLING NINE ONE ONE, I CAN'T GET SERVICE, I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GO. COME ON.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: JUST GRAB EVERYTHING. BOY SHE JUMPED RIGHT IN THERE WITH ME, THREW EVERYTHING IN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO WE WAS JUST, AND WE HAD THE DOGS AND, THE DOGS SLEPT THERE IN THE FRONT. HER DOG SLEPT IN MY . . .
CB: AND YOU ACTUALLY TURNED HER DOG LOOSE IN, IN CUMMING . . .
GMH: YEAH, YEAH I, I CHOSE THAT LOCATION BECAUSE UH, WELL NUMBER ONE THERE WAS A PIZ, IT WAS A BUSTLING AREA . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT WAS STILL EARLIER ENOUGH IN THE DAY, PLENTY OF PEOPLE. THERE WAS A PIZZA TO GO PLACE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND BEHIND IT WHERE I TURNED THE DOG LOOSE THE PIZZA DELIVERY BOYS WERE CONGREGATING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THEY HAD A PICNIC TABLE THERE. THEY WERE SMOKING CIGARETTES, AND I FELT AT THE VERY LEAST THE DOG WOULD WALK UP TO THEM AND SMELL THE PIZZA, THERE WAS THAT, IT WAS REALLY THAT KROGER, YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN TO THAT PLACE THERE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH . . .
CB: I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
GMH: IT'S A BUSTLING, BUSTLING CENTER. YOU KNOW.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND I KNEW THAT THE DOG WOULD BE PICKED UP.
CB: YOU KNEW THE DOG (UI)
GMH: AND I, I ALSO, ALSO, ALSO KNEW THE DOG WAS MICROCHIPPED.
CB: HOW'D YOU KNOW THAT?
GMH: SHE TOLD ME.
CB: SHE TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS MICROCHIPPED?
GMH: YEAH. I UH, SHE TOLD ME . . .
CB: DID YOU ASK HER IF IT WAS GPS'D OR . . .OR IF IT WAS UH, JUST SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW WHOSE IT WAS OR . . .
GMH: NO, I ASKED HER HOW SHE, WE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, ABOUT EVERYTHING. HISTORY, UH, AND EVERYTHING.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OKAY. AT ANY RATE I ASKED HER WHERE SHE UH, HOW, SHE TOLD ME THE STORY OF WHERE SHE GOT THE DOG FROM.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE PAID A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS FOR IT FROM A RESCUE PLACE. THE DOG HAD ALL BEEN DONE, SPAYED, AND INNOCULATED, MICROCHIPPED . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND EVERYTHING. I KNEW THE DOG HAD A MICROCHIP.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IF I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT UH, NO ONE WOULD ASSOCIATE THE DOG WITH HER I WOULD HAVE KILLED THE DOG.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BUT THERE'S NO WAY I COULD DO THAT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO I WAS ACTUALLY RISKING MYSELF BY, IN, IN OTHER WORDS I KNEW IF THE DOG WAS PICKED UP BY ANIMAL CONTROL RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE OR SOMEONE PICKED IT UP AND GAVE IT TO ANIMAL CONTROL . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT'D BE SCANNED.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEY WOULD FIND OUT IT WAS HER DOG.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A, ANOTHER LOCATION.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I KNEW IT WAS MICROCHIPPED ALREADY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY AT THAT TIME OF DAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO, IF IT HAD BEEN LATE AT NIGHT IN SOME, AGAIN, WHEN EVERYTHING HAD GOTTEN DESERTED AND ALL THE STORES CLOSED AND EVERYTHING. . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . I UH, WOULDN'T HAVE FELT, DONE, YOU KNOW, FELT RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I KNEW THE DOG UH, BEFORE NIGHTFALL WOULD, WOULD UH, WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE, WOULD, WOULD GO UP TO SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY THOSE PIZZA BOYS. I WAS JUST A HUNDRED YARDS FROM THE PIZZA BOYS OUT BACK AND, AND . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . SO FORTH AND THEY WOULD SEE THE DOG OR SOMEONE WOULD SEE THE DOG AT THE GAS STATION OR THE KROGER. AND SOMEONE CERTAINLY WOULD CALL ANIMAL CONTROL.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND CERTAINLY THE POLICE COME THROUGH THERE REGULARLY AND . . .
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. UH . . . IS THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE?
GMH: I'LL LET MY ATTORNEY ANSWER.
NS: UH, WE'RE NOT . . .
CB: I UNDERSTAND.
NS: (UI) THE AGREEMENT WAS HE WOULD ONLY BE ASKED ABOUT THIS.
CB: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHUT THIS OFF AT APPROXIMATELY SEVEN THIRTY P.M.
(END)
One hour later, authorities released Hilton's name and photo, asking the public's help in finding him. Before Jim Barkley could call the GBI about Hilton having just been in the restaurant, the GBI showed up. Agents took his restaurant's surveillance tape.
But Gary Hilton, with Meredith Emerson, was already long gone."I just wish that we had known then what we know now," Barkley said. "Maybe we could have done something to save her life."So who did Gary Hilton call from the restaurant? Barkley said the GBI agents told him they know who it is -- it's someone who immediately called the GBI about Hilton's call, as soon as the GBI announced that Hilton was wanted for questioning.
Wolfscratch: Mr. Jim Barkley said, "The GBI, showed up to get the security tape." My info says: The GBI responded by Helicopter, with several Squad cars, at aproxoimately 9PM; A FOUR HOUR RESPONSE TIME! Gary M. (Mack) Hilton, called John Tabor, his Xboss, at aproximately 5PM, 01/03/08 from the HH. My info says that Tabor had contacted the GBI, in Sept. 2007 and reported that he was a danger to society. My info, which is verified by employees, that although Tabor, has reported that Hilton, was unusually calm when he called, he was not calm at all. He had just seen his mug shot on the front page of the AJC. Tabor was being blackmailed by Hilton, and had paid him two payments previously, had evacuated his family for safety, and purchased a 9mm Glock, for his protection. It is my opinion that the GBI. allowed Tabor to set up this scheme, or sting, for Hilton to meet Tabor in Atlanta to pick up some money. By allowing Hilton 24 hours to dispose of all evidence, including Meredith, I feel that a simple 911 call by Tabor(which is what my 7 year old granddaughter would have done) would have iniated the rescue of Meredith, and the Capture of this: evil, cannibalistic, demonic, ritual: SERIAL KILLER of Hannibal Lecture; Magnitude, which has been slaughtering our families, friends, and loved ones, while living in our community constantly stalking his prey all over the Eastern US, oblivious to Law Enforcement. The GBI, and John Tabor, in my opinion, gambled with Meredith Hope Emerson's life, and she lost. May she rest in peace! She was my neighbor, for just four days. www.glennindawson.blogspot.com
In my opinion, John Tabor needs to be investigated. In a interview, he said that he knew Hilton for 10 years, Hilton claimed that when he came off his meds,"The Demons Came out of Him"!
Hilton, was the "CREATIVE WRITER", for the MOVIE: "MURDER RUN";By Samuel Rael; (a business associate of Tabor's and Attorney, Dekalb Co., GA.), about bringing young women to the North GA; Mountains, to an abandoned house, releasing them in the woods, and hunting them down; like animals.....
My info also says that Gary Michael Hilton was artrested in Dekalb County, GA in 1982, for THREE COUNTS OF ATTEMPTED MURDER BY ARSON, when he torched his fiances house with her and her parents inside. The arrest arrest records recorded, the COURT RECORDS; VANISHED! Who was the Judge, DA, Arson Investigator, Arresting Officer, The Officer of Dekalb Police; in Charge.
As I am sure the Elite GBI; PR Unit is not going to reveal this info. The Media will have to search for them.
My info says that: The Media and Volunteers were Duped by the GBI; Leadership,due to the fact that the K9 unit dispatched to Blood Mountain, notified LE that Meredith had left the Mountain 30 min after arrival of the K9's...
They didn't want interference in their investigation, or exposure of the incompetence, displayed in this tragic mission, in my opinion.
Wolfscratch. May his many, many, many victims rest in peace!
I talked to a Retired LE Officer today that said, "When Gary Hilton was asked, If you are so intelligent, why did you get arrested?"
HILTON'S REPLY: "THEY HAVEN'T CAUGHT ME SINCE I WAS FOURTEEN YEARS OLD!" He is now 61 years old, now. Do; the Math!.....
Glenn Adams
Some call this spaming, I call it awareness; the public's right to know!
min ago
Mr. King, I salute WXIA 11, for breaking the GBI; interogation of Gary Hilton.
It was reported in the AJC a few weeks ago: "CASE CLOSED!".
This case is far from being "CLOSED"..
IF THE TRUTH IS TO PREVAIL, THE CENSORSHIP RULES SHOULD BE RELAXED.
Under the same rules, this news would have nevermade it on the air. I understand that this is traumatic to the general public. The only way to prevent this from any more of our families, loved ones, and neighbors, is to expose the truth, no matter how painful....
GARY MICHAEL "MACK" HILTON: EVIL, DEMONIC, CANNIBALISTIC, RITUAL: SERIAL KILLER OF; HANNIBAL LECTUR; MAGNITUDE.
Mr. King
What; outlandish remarks? I stick to all my descriptions and claims. God, I wish I was wrong. may his many, many victims rest in peace...
Wolfscratch; Glenn Adams
Gary Hilton's Interviews with Law Enforcement
Below are the transcripts of law enforcement interviews with Gary Michael Hilton, the man accused of murdering Meredith Emerson.
Warning: Some of the transcript contains explicit details about Emerson's death that may be considered disturbing.
FILE #: 306-new TAPE #:
DATE: 01/07/2008 TIME: 4:55 P.M.
TYPED BY: clc
TRANSCRIPT OF GBI INTERVIEW WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH). GBI SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE (SAC) JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS); UNION COUNTY SHERIFF'S INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD)
UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI)
UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: . . . SPECIAL AGENT CLAY BRIDGES, SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE. TODAY'S DATE IS JANUARY 7TH, 2008. TIME IS APPROXIMATELY FOUR FIFTY, UH, FOUR FIFTY FIVE P.M. GONNA BE CONDUCTING AN IN CUSTODY INTERVIEW ALONG WITH GARY MICHAEL HILTON AND HIS ATTORNEY WILL BE PRESENT ALSO.
(NOISE, NON-PERTINENT UNTIL HILTON ARRIVES)
(PARTICIPANTS GREET EACH OTHER)
GMH: CAN WE UNCHAIN? (UI) I MEAN, YOU KNOW . . .
CB: NO, WE'LL JUST, WE'LL JUST STAY LIKE THAT FOR RIGHT NOW, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT. ACTUALLY, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS, I CAN TAKE HIS . . .
(NOISE, UI, TALKING IN BACKGROUND)
JC: . . . IF YOU'LL TELL ME THE AREA . . .
GMH: YEAH, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE.
JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: IT'S DAWSON FOREST (UI)
JC: DAWSON FOREST? O.K.
GMH: (UI)
JC: I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
GMH: OKAY (UI) OH, GOOD. IT'S A NICE PLACE ISN'T IT . . . THERE'S A UH, THIS, THIS UH, IT'S THE CITY OF ATLANTA TRACK, THERE'S A NUMBER OF TRACKS.
JC: THERE IS.
GMH: OKAY. AND THIS CITY, THE ATLANTA TRACK IS BISECTED BY UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
JC: RIGHT. IT'S OFF FIFTY THREE?
GMH: YES IT IS. AND, AND THIS, THIS IS ACTUALLY SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND IT GOES THROUGH, RIGHT, THIS IS SHOAL CREEK, AND IT CROSSES AND IT FORDS THE CREEK ON, ON A, CONCRETE FORD. AND IT CONTINUES ON AND IT COMES OUT ONTO DAWSON FOREST ROAD.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: EAST, WHICH IS THERE. AND IF YOU WERE TO ENTER FROM THIS DIRECTION, WHICH IS WHERE YOU, YOU'D WANT TO COME FROM.
JC: FROM HIGHWAY NINE?
GMH: UH, FROM NINE, FOUR, FOUR HUNDRED, NINE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: EITHER WAY. UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW.
JC: WE'LL GO IN FROM NINE.
GMH: UH, OKAY. YOU'RE GOING IN FROM NINE. OKAY. MAKE A RIGHT ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD. GO TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND GO UP AND THERE'S A . . .
JC: TURN, TURN ON SHOAL CREEK?
GMH: I'M SORRY. TURN NORTH, TURN RIGHT OR NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK. THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD. I'LL START MAKING MARKS ALL OVER (UI) COME IN FROM HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST ROAD. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD ALSO. MAKE, MAKE A RIGHT OR WEST.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH. OKAY? NOW. THIS IS A PAVED ROAD. MAKE A RIGHT ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH BECOMES DIRT. AND THERE IS UH, SEVERAL GATED ROADS UH, OFF OF THE WEST SIDE. THEY'RE NOT ON THE MAP. THEY'RE GATED AND THE GATES ARE CLOSED AND THEY ARE DESIGNATED AS TRAILS.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: AS HIKER TRAILS, BIKE TRAILS, AND EQUESTRIAN TRAILS . . . UH, THEY ARE HEAVILY USED EQUESTRIAN TRAILS CAUSE THERE'S MANY TRACKS, FRESH TRACKS AND FRESH HORSE TRACKS, AND HORSE DROPPINGS AND SO YOU WOULD TAKE UH, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD YOU WOULD TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, WHICH IS NORTH, OR, OR RIGHT, AND I, IF, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST ROAD UH, TO YOUR LEFT, IT IS UH, DESIGNATED UH, AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, AND BIKING TRAIL, A GATED ROAD WITH A GATE ACROSS IT. AND AS FAR AS I REMEMBER IT IS THE FIRST ONE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND A, ANOTHER WAY TO, TO MAKE, ENSURE THAT YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT ROAD, IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THAT ROAD, ON EITHER SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD IS A SIGN THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT.
JC: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: OKAY? SO THAT, THAT WILL BE YOUR, AND I THINK IT'S THE FIRST ONE. I'M ALMOST . . .
JC: DOES IT TURN OFF TO THE LEFT (UI)
GMH: YES, TO THE, TO THE LEFT AND, OR WEST.
JC: HOW FAR DOWN, HOW FAR DOWN THE ROAD?
GMH: OKAY. AND SO YOU WOULD, IT'S A GATED ROAD, AND YOU WOULD GO UH, DOWN THAT ROAD A, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, A WAY TO UH, RECOGNIZE THE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE OFF UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD. THE BODY WILL BE.
JC: O, OKAY.
GMH: OKAY. AND UH, A LANDMARK FOR THAT WILL BE THE TRAIL UH, THE HIKER OR HORSEBACK TRAIL IS DOUBLE BLAZED, IT HAS TWO BLAZES 'CAUSE IT'S TWO TRAILS TOGETHER. ONE IS A, LIKE A LAVENDER, ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS DOWN? OKAY. ONE IS A LAVENDER BLAZE OR GRAY BL, SOME, YOU KNOW . . .
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: . . .A BLAZE, AND ONE IS A WHITE BLAZE. BY BLAZE I MEAN A SQUARE STENCILED ONTO A TREE.
JC: CORRECT.
GMH: OKAY. IT'S DOUBLE BLAZED. AND UH, ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN ON THE, DOWN, YOU KNOW, WEST, UH, IS, I BELIEVE IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE. IF, IF YOU GO PAST THAT DOUBLE BLAZE YOU'LL SEE A, ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT ANOTHER FIFTY YARDS. BUT IT IS THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: THEN YOU WOULD TURN OFF THE ROAD . . .
JC: WHICH WAY?
GMH: SOUTH . . .
JC: SOUTH . . .
GMH: . . . OR LEFT . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: OKAY, AND THE BODY WILL BE UH, APPROXIMATELY FORTY YARDS OR A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: UH, OFF OF THAT, UH, SOUTH OF THAT . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: IT'S COVERED BY LEAVES AND UH, BRUSH. AND A WAY TO TELL IF YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR IS THAT THE, UH, SOUTH OR LEFT SIDE IS NO LONGER RELATIVELY LEVEL. IT BECOMES A, A STEEP EMBANKMENT TO YOUR LEFT. IF, IF THAT, THAT OCCURS, IF TOPOGRAPHY CHANGES IN THAT MANNER . . .
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: THEN YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE. I ACTUALLY WALKED PAST IT ONE TIME MYSELF. AND . . .
JC: YOU SAID THE BODY IS DOWN THERE ON THE LEFT (UI) ROAD (UI)
GMH: ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET OR FORTY YARDS . . .
JC: IS IT, AND UNDER SOME LEAVES AND BRUSH.
GMH: UNDER JUST A PILE OF LEAVES AND BRUSH. BUT NOT BURIED.
JC: OKAY. IS, IS IT WRAPPED IN ANYTHING?
GMH: NO, IT ISN'T.
JC: IS IT, IS IT CLOTHED?
GMH: UH, NO, IT ISN'T.
JC: IS IT INTACT?
GMH: NO, IT ISN'T.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: I'LL TELL YOU . . .
JC: YOU WANT TO TALK SOME MORE ABOUT THAT?
GMH: OKAY. YES. THE HEAD WILL BE MISSING.
JC: WHERE IS THE HEAD?
GMH: THE ONLY REASON BY THE WAY THE HEAD WAS REMOVED WAS FORENSICALLY.
JC: YEAH. RIGHT.
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS IS THE HAIR IS FULL OF FIBERS.
JC: SURE.
GMH: AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON.
JC: WHERE, WHERE WOULD THE HEAD BE?
GMH: OKAY. I'M GONNA TELL YOU. THEN TO LOCATE THAT CONTINUE NORTH ON DAWSON FOREST ROAD . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: I MEAN, ON SHOAL . . I'M SORRY . . .
JC: SO YOU COME BACK OUT OF THAT (UI)
GMH: COME BACK OUT . . .
JC: TO SHOAL CREEK . . .
GMH: TO SHOAL CREEK ROAD. TURN LEFT OR NORTH.
JC: GOT IT.
GMH: GO PAST THE DOUBLE SIGN NO BICYCLES ALLOWED.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE ABOUT THE SECOND GATED ROAD AND IT WOULD BE UH, APPROXIMATELY A HALF A MILE NORTH. AND IT WILL BE ON . . .
JC: LEFT, LEFT, OR EAST OR WEST?
GMH: IT WILL BE OFF, OFF TO THE LEFT OR WEST . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: OKAY. AND UH, IT WILL BE ON A, A RIDGE LINE, UH, THE ROAD IS. THE ROAD IS ON A RIDGE LINE AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER TOPOGRAPHY. IT WILL BE A PRONOUNCED RIDGE THAT FALLS OFF TO EITHER SIDE. AND UH, SO, AND IT'S GOT A GATE ACROSS IT.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND LET'S, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SAY THE ROAD IS THERE, SO YOU WOULD TURN LEFT OR WEST, AND UH, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE HARDER TO FIND. YOU'RE GONNA NEED A DOG FOR THIS, I BELIEVE.
JC: CAN YOU HELP US?
GMH: WELL, I'LL HELP.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: I, I, IT'S, IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR ME TO GO THERE, THOUGH, I MEAN . . .
JC: WELL, WE . . .
GMH: . . . BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND . . .
JC: WHAT I'D LIKE . . .
GMH: . . . IF I'M GONNA HELP YOU, I'M GONNA HELP YOU.
JC: WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO . . .
GMH: YOU KNOW.
JC: . . . IS, IS TRY TO FIND IT WITHOUT YOU. BUT YEAH TAKE YOU DOWN THERE, AND IF WE NEED HIM HE'S THERE TO HELP.
GMH: COULD I HAVE SOME PAPER?
CB: YES. THAT'S WHY I'VE GOT IT.
(UI)
JC: WELL, GO, GO AHEAD AND TELL US . . .
GMH: I'M GONNA DRAW YOU GUYS A MAP (UI) JC: WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU DOWN THERE BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA, IF WE DON'T NEED YOU (UI)
CB: IF WE NEED YOU WE MAY NEED TO BRING YOU IN THERE OR WHATEVER.
GMH: UH, SO NOW WE'RE BACK INTO THE (UI) AND SO . . . AND THIS IS NOT (UI) BUT I JUST (UI) THIS IS SHOAL CREEK ROAD . . .(NOISE) . . . AND OF COURSE NORTH.
GMH: AND UH, THE BODY WOULD BE . . . DOWN HERE . . .
JC: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: . . . THERE . . . OKAY . . . AND UH, THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE OTHER CLOSED GATED ROAD (UI) GATE. OKAY?
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND YOU'LL CONTINUE ON TO HERE, HERE'S YOUR OTHER CLOSED ROAD. AND I THINK IT'S JUST THE SECOND ONE AFTER THAT ONE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: AND THE WAY REALLY TO RECOGNIZE IT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: HERE'S THE GATED OR CLOSED ROAD. AND THIS UH, IS UH, A CREEK OR DRAINAGE NOTCH, THIS IS UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SYMBOLS YOU WANT ME TO USE. OKAY, UH, DRAINAGE. OKAY, DRAINAGE. OKAY. AND THEN UH, THIS IS ALSO, SO THIS IS A RIDGE, MORE OR LESS, OF A, OF A RIDGE LINE THAT THE ROAD IS ON.
JC: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SO THE, THIS IS APPROXIMATELY UH, LET ME GET AN ESTIMATE HERE, FOOTAGE, UH . . . (NOISE) . . . THIRTY YARDS, UH, LIKE THAT, OKAY. AND THERE IS A, THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES CUT DOWN EDGING THE ROAD. OKAY. YOU'LL HAVE TO STEP OVER THOSE. AND THEN THERE'S A, THESE ARE TREE TRUNKS.
JC: UH HUH.
GMH: AND THEN THERE'S A TREE TRUNK RIGHT THERE AND THE HEAD IS ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE FLIP, THE OTHER SIDE UH, JUST COVERED IN LEAVES.
JC: DOES IT HAVE A BAG OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? JUST IN LEAVES? (UI)
GMH: NO, NO, JUST IN LEAVES. AND YOU CAN LOOK, THIS IS DOWN HILL, UH, UH, I COULD DRAW A (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YOU'RE ON A RIDGE. AND YOU CAN LOOK RIGHT DOWN AND SEE SHOAL CREEK ROAD AS IT (UI) GOES, GOES AROUND (UI) INSIDE OF THE ROAD FROM HERE, ACTUALLY.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: THIS DRAINAGE IS JUST UH, A CLEAR CUT AREA (UI) . . .
CB: HOW FAR IS THIS DID YOU SAY? SEVENTY . . .
GMH: ABOUT THIRTY YARDS.
CB: THIRTY YARDS. OKAY.
GMH: AND, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DOWN TREES. THIS IS ALL FRONTED, SO TO SPEAK, BY DOWN TREES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OKAY.
JC: SO IT'S BEHIND . . .
GMH: BUT IT . . .
JC: (UI) TREES . . . A LOG OR (UI)
GMH: IT'S, IT'S (UI) A FULL TREE TRUNK.
JC: IS IT? OKAY.
GMH: YEAH. BUT SEE, THIS, THIS IS A BUNCH OF YOUR BRUSH AND TREES AND IF YOU STEP OVER THIS, IF YOU JUST START CHECKING THE NORTH SIDE . . .
JC: OKAY.
CB: IS THERE ANY?
GMH: UH, YOU'LL LOCATE IT.
CB: IS THERE ANY TRAIL MARKINGS UP HERE?
GMH: I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING REALLY (UI) HAS, THIS ONE HAS, THE, THE DIVIDED ROAD HAS A DESIGNATED UH . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TRAIL SIGN . . . I DON'T REMEMBER THE . . .
JC: YOU SAID ABOUT FIFTY FEET (UI)
CB: FIFTY YARDS.
GMH: NO, ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET. ABOUT FORTY YARDS.
JC: FROM THE TURN?
GMH: FROM UH, SHOAL CREEK ROAD. YEAH.
JC: OKAY. AND DOWN ABOUT A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FEET . . .
GMH: HOLD IT, I, NO, I DID SAY FIFTY, YEAH, OKAY, AND ABOUT FIF, AND THEN ABOUT, ABOUT FORTY . . .
CB: IT'S GONNA BE THE FIRST DOUBLE BLAZED . . .
GMH: YEAH. AND YOU'LL SEE THE DOUBLE BLAZES ARE ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE (UI)
CB: THE SAME SIDE THE BODY WOULD BE ON.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH. IN OTHER WORDS, AND THE DOUBLE BLAZE IS ALMOST DUE NORTH OF THE BODY (UI) AND THEN THE ROAD WOULD CONTINUE ON. YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER DOUBLE BLAZE ABOUT THERE, BUT NOW THIS HAS BECOME A, THIS AREA HERE HAS BECOME A STEEP EMBANKMENT WHILE THIS IS ONLY RELATIVELY SHALLOW DOWNHILL.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: JUST MORE OR LESS LEVEL. NOTHING'S LEVEL UP THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. AND SO, BUT IT'S MORE OR LESS LEVEL DOWNHILL. IF YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND DOUBLE BLAZE AND THIS, THE ROAD WILL BE STEEPLY EMBANKED TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
JC: OKAY.
GMH: OKAY, NOW, IF YOU PUT A DOG ON IT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL JUST COME UP WITH IT LIKE THAT.
CB: OKAY, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS, IS THAT THE ONLY PORTION OF THE BODY THAT'S MISSING?
GMH: THAT IS ALL.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THAT IS ALL.
CB: ALRIGHT.
GMH: OH. AND I SHOULD MENTION, TOO, THAT BY HER HEAD IS UH, CLOTHING. MORE CLOTHING. NOT BESIDE HER HEAD, BUT IT'S UP AGAINST ANOTHER, IT'S WITHIN TWENTY FEET . . .
JC: WHAT KIND OF CLOTHING?
GMH: UH, UH, HER, A SWEATSHIRT OR SOMETHING.
JC: OKAY. THAT KIND OF CLOTHING.
UM: AND THE REASON THE BODY IS (UI)
GMH: IT'S FORENSIC. FOR FORENSICS. UH, THE CLOTHING WOULD . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SEE, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THIS DISAPPEARANCE AT THAT TIME.
JC: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU SEE, I DIDN'T FIND THAT OUT TILL LATER ON IN THE DAY I STOPPED AT A GAS STATION AND I'M ON THE FRONT PAGE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I HAD NO IDEA. SO I THOUGHT I WAS, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD FORENSICALLY ERASE IT . . .
CB: RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: THAT'S . . .
CB: ONE THING, ONE THING THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE IS, IS MAYBE DISCUSS THIS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IT, HOW IT CAME TO BE AND WHATEVER, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT WITH Y'ALL.
(NOISE)
GMH: (UI) . . . I, I, MY ATTORNEY (UI)
JC: (UI) I WAS JUST THINKING (UI) EITHER OR BOTH OF YOU UP THERE, BUT THAT'S YOUR CALL.
NS: NOW COULD WE, LIKE UH . . .
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANT TO BE INTERROGATED (UI) WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF MY ATTORNEY.
JC: OH, THAT . . .
CB: OH, NO, NO, THAT WON'T HAPPEN. THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
GMH: (UI) IN ANY MATTER WITHOUT THE PRESENCE . . .
CB: NO. THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
GMH: I APOLOGIZE TO BOTH OF YOU GUYS . . .
CB: NO NEED TO APOLOGIZE TO US.
JC: I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. IT'S BEEN TRYING FOR YOU. I'M SURE THESE CASES ARE EMOTIONALLY WRENCHING.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: FOR YOU.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: BUT, THAT'S YOUR DAMN JOB. (LAUGHS) SO . . .
(UI)
CB: THAT'S RIGHT.
JC: WELL WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING NOW IS (UI)
(UI)
GMH: JUST TAKE A DOG AND YOU'LL HAVE IT.
(NOISE)
GMH: AND IF THE DOG, UH, IN THE AREA OF THE HEAD, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE AREA OF HER BODY THAT THE DOG WOULD HIT ON. BUT THE DOG MIGHT HIT ON HER CLOTHING NEAR HER HEAD FIRST. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING FIRST . . .
JC: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . THEN THE HEAD IS GOING TO BE EAST OF THE CLOTHING, ABOUT TWENTY YARDS . . .
JC: EAST OF THE CLOTHING.
GMH: OF THE CLOTHING. OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GO WEST DOWN THE ROAD, THE HEAD IS THERE, TWENTY OR SO FEET ON FURTHER WEST IS THE CLOTHING. IF HE HITS ON THE CLOTHING THEN COME BACK EAST ABOUT TWENTY FEET. LOOK. THERE'S, THERE'S A FALLEN TREE . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: ALIGNED . . .
JC: OKAY.
GMH: . . . EAST AND WEST, BASICALLY, THE FALLEN TREE. IT'S A LONG, IT'S A WHOLE INTACT TREE TRUNK . . .
JC: WE JUST GOTTA GET ON THE ROAD . . .
GMH: GET ON THE ROAD. YOU'RE GONNA GET DARK AND COLD. HEY TAKE GLOVES.
JC: HE'S GOING.
CB: HE'S GOING, HE'S GOING WITH, WITH ME AND . . .
JC: WITH THE SHERIFF?
CB: . . . AND, AND, ME AND . . .
JC: Y'ALL (UI)
CB: . . . AND . . .
JC: OKAY.
CB: YES SIR.
GMH: YOU GUYS GOT IT IN YOU TO GO OR . . .
JC: WELL TODD'S GONNA GO . . .
UM: YEAH . . . YEAH.
UM: YEAH, I'M NOT GONNA BE (UI) ARE YOU COMING OR WHAT?
NS: WELL UH, YEAH, I CAN RIDE . . .
GMH: OR YOU GOT A DINNER DATE? OKAY.
NS: NO, NO, NO. I CAN RIDE. I JUST NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM BEFORE WE GO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: HEY, YEAH, IT, I JUST WON'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF (UI)
NS: RIGHT.
(UI)
CB: OKAY. I'M GONNA PUT THOSE BACK ON YOU AND WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR BLANKET BACK AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
GMH: OKAY. THAT'LL BE GOOD . . .
CB: YEAH.
UM: (UI) BE THERE . . .
GMH: 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY, I HAVE MY LITTLE (UI) IT'S . . .
CB: I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: (UI) . . . TAKE, TAKING RITALIN AND THAT'S, IF THIS WILL KEEP (UI)
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY.
(NOISE, UI)
CB: DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM. HE'S KINDA WRECKED. NOT WRECKED WRECKED, BUT I MEAN, IN, IN (UI) UH (UI)
JC: HE'S ON THE WAY.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
(NOISE)
GMH: NO, THANKS, NO.
CB: YOU GOT HIM FOR JUST A SECOND (UI) YOU'RE WITH HIM FOR JUST A SECOND . . .
(NOISE)
CB: STOPPING TAPE APPROXIMATELY FIVE SIXTEEN P.M.
(*END OF 1ST CD/TAPE)
TRANSCRIPT #2
FILE #: 306- TAPE #:
DATE: TIME:
TYPED BY: clc
TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED INTERVIEW OF GARY MICHAEL HILTON (GMH) BY GBI SPECIAL AGENT (SA) CLAY BRIDGES (CB), GBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE JOHN CAGLE (JC), ATTORNEY NEIL SMITH (NS), UNION COUNTY SHERIFF SCOTT STEPHENS (SS), PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE INVESTIGATOR TODD DAWSON (TD), ENOTAH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT DISTRICT ATTORNEY STAN GUNTER (SG).
UNINTELLIGIBLE (UI)
UNKNOWN MALE (UM)
CB: OKAY, I JUST WANTED, I'M, I'M ONLY (UI) IT'S UH, JUST SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING . . .
NS: RIGHT.
CB: THIS INCIDENT.
NS: RIGHT.
CB: HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD. DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO SHOAL CREEK.
SG: AND THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE WOULD BE TO GO TO THE MALL OR GO (UI)
CB: I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I'M SITTING HERE TRYING TO RACK MY BRAIN ON HOW TO GET DOWN THERE TO IT, BUT UH . . .
SG: WELL, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM OVER HERE . . . YOU COULD TAKE THOSE BACK ROADS TO FOUR HUNDRED.
CB: DO YOU HAVE JOHN ON YOUR CELL PHONE?
SG: I DO.
CB: HE, HE (UI)
SG: OH. I'D SAY THE QUICKEST WAY IS TO TAKE THOSE ROADS, BACK ROADS DOWN LONG BRANCH ROAD TO FOUR HUNDRED . . .
CB: RIGHT.
SG: AND PUT YOU DOWN ON HIGHWAY NINE (UI)
(UI) DAWSON FOREST ROAD TO . . .
CB: HIGHWAY NINE, DAWSON FOREST, SHOAL CREEK.
SG: SO . . .
(UI, NOISE)
SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER?
CB: HUH?
SS: THEY GOING TOGETHER?
CB: YEAH.
(NOISE)
CB: THEY'LL FOLLOW US.
SS: FOLLOW US?
CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SS: IS THAT OKAY?
CB: YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SS: OKAY.
(DOOR CLOSES, START VEHICLE, TRAVELING)
GMH: YOU NEED ANYTHING TO EAT?
NS: UH, I HAD A GOOD LUNCH AND I HAD UH, A COUPLE OF (UI)
GMH: OKAY.
NS: I'M ALRIGHT.
UM: (UI)
(UI)
GMH: (UI) LOW BLOOD SUGAR. I'VE GOT TO KEEP YOU ALERT NOW.
CB: SHERIFF, IS IT, IS IT POSSIBLE UH, TO TAKE YOUR POLICE RADIO DOWN JUST A NOTCH, OR OFF, OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO? I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO HIM (UI) ON THE WAY DOWN THERE.
SS: TURN 'ER OFF.
CB: ALRIGHT. MR. HILTON, UH, BASICALLY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU ASPECTS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY? (UI) YOU KNOW WHERE HIGHWAY NINE IS, DAWSON FOREST, AND ALL THAT STUFF? (UI) UH, TELL ME WHAT'S THE QUICKEST WAY TO GET THERE. I MEAN, I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR AT IT AS CAGLE WAS.
GMH: WELL, WE WANT TO GET TO GEORGIA FOUR HUNDRED AND DAWSON FOREST ROAD, IT'S UH . . .
CB: UH, TAKE A LEFT, GO DOWN TO UH, WHAT IS THAT . . .
(UI) FOUR HUNDRED. YOU KNOW WHICH WAY TO FOUR HUNDRED FROM HERE, DON'T YOU SHERIFF?
SS: YEAH, I DO.
CB: HUH?
SS: IF YOU WANT TO TAKE FOUR HUNDRED THEN (UI)
GMH: (UI) WITH A CIGARETTE (UI)
UM: (UI)
GMH: CUT LOOSE WITH A CIGARETTE SHERIFF, IF YOU GOT ANY
(UI)
CB: WHAT WE MIGHT DO IS WHEN WE GET DOWN THIS WAY WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU OUT OF THE VEHICLE AND LET YOU SMOKE ONE IF THAT'S OKAY.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEY WANTS YOU TO SMOKE IN BETWEEN US, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT A SMOKER MYSELF . . .
GMH: YEAH, FORGET IT.
. . . I, I DON'T HAVE ANY (UI)
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. WELL WE, WE, WE'LL CERTAINLY TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT, WITH THAT. BUT BASICALLY UH, DID YOU KNOW MEREDITH EMERSON BEFORE . . .
GMH: NO.
CB: . . . THE OTHER DAY? (PAUSE) WHEN DID YOU UH, COME TO THE, HERBERT REECE TRAIL UP THERE? WHAT DAY DID YOU ARRIVE UP THERE?
GMH: PROBABLY ABOUT UH, TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE.
CB: TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE?
GMH: UH HUH. OR IT WAS (UI) YOU KNOW. I CAN'T TELL YOU THE EXACT DATE . . .
CB: SO IT WAS PROBABLY DECEMBER TWENTY-EIGHTH . . .
GMH: I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DATE . . .
CB: SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE . . .
GMH: (UI) THE UH, THIS THING OCCURRED.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT.
GMH: I DON'T KNOW THE DATE OR, OH, IT WAS THE FIRST. NOW I KNOW. I, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS NEW YEAR'S OR (UI) . . . OKAY. IT WAS TWO OR THREE DAYS.
CB: OKAY. TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE.
GMH: UH HUH.
CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU CAMP SPECIFICALLY AT THAT LOCATION, OR . ..
GMH: UH, YEAH, I DID STAY IN MY VEHICLE THERE. OF COURSE THERE'S NO CAMPING ALLOWED IN THE PARKING LOT THERE. UH, HOWEVER, BY BEING DISCREET . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OFF LOADING A LITTLE OUT OF THE VAN I WAS ABLE TO STAY IN THE VAN IN THE PARKING LOT AND UH, IN THE PARKING LOT.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND AT WHAT TIME, OR WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME AWARE OF HER? WHEN DID YOU FIRST SEE HER?
GMH: UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN. AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE HERBERT UH, REESE CONNECTOR TRAIL AND THE A.T. (APPALACHIAN TRAIL) AT THAT INTERSECTION.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THAT, UH, HOW DID YOU START UP A CONVERSATION WITH HER (UI)
GMH: UH, DOGS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE DOGS UH, DOGS ARE GONNA MEET AND I, ANYTIME I ENCOUNTER SOMEONE WITH A, A LOOSE DOG SPECIFICALLY, WHICH BOTH OF OURS WERE, A LARGER DOG, I IMMEDIATELY DETERMINE THE SEX OF THE DOG BECAUSE I HAVE A MALE AND I, I DON'T ALLOW MY DOG TO MEET ADULT MALES . . .
CB: SO YOU ASKED, YOU ASKED HER WHAT SEX HER DOG WAS?
GMH: OR, YEAH, THAT KIND OF THING. AND SHE STOPPED AT THAT LOCATION TO EAT AND UH, EAT SOME TRAIL MIX AND TO GIVE HER, GIVE HER DOG WATER.
CB: OKAY, OKAY, AND WHAT HAPPENED AFTER YOU SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT THE DOG?
GMH: THEN UH, WE BOTH STARTED UP.
CB: STARTED UP?
GMH: (UI) A.T., YEAH . . .
CB: TOWARDS THE SUMMIT?
GMH: A.T. . . .
CB: UP THAT WAY?
GMH: A.T. WESTBOUND. THE A.T. IS YEAH, WESTBOUND, UP HILL. IT WAS WESTBOUND UP HILL TOWARDS THE SUMMIT.
CB: OKAY. AND DID YOU HIKE TOGETHER?
GMH: FOR A DISTANCE AND UH, THEN SHE UH, I WAS, I'M SICK WITH MY (UI) AND I, I DID NOT EVEN REALLY ATTEMPT TO STAY UP WITH HER REALLY.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO SHE WENT ON AHEAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I, THEN I TOLD HER UH, YOU KNOW, WE CHIT CHATTED ABOUT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHATEVER (UI) YOU KNOW (UI) DURING THE TIME WE WERE TOGETHER.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT SOMETHING OR THE OTHER AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW. 'CAUSE YOU, ANYTIME YOU WALK UP, THAT'S THE MOST HEAVILY USED STATE HIKING TRAIL IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA BY THE WAY IT'S FULL OF PEOPLE, IT'S FULL OF DOGS. SO YOU TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. AS, AS YOU WELL KNOW I WAS SEEN WITH HER.CB: RIGHT.
GMH: (UI) SO WE TALKED AND THEN UH, SHE WAS MOVING ON AHEAD. SHE WAS CARRYING NOTHING UH, TO SPEAK OF, EXCEPT A FANNY PACK. NOT ENOUGH TO BE HIKING UP THERE, BUT NO ONE IS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: NO ONE IS ON, ON THAT TRAIL IS, IS EQUIPPED TO BE UP THERE. ON THE MOUNTAIN. ESPECIALLY IN THAT KIND OF WEATHER. NOBODY IS. EXCEPT ME.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I CARRY ABOUT TWENTY POUNDS PHYSICALLY BECAUSE, FOR THAT KIND OF HIKE. (UI) DAYLIGHT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: (UI) SO. SHE OUT DISTANCED ME AND I SAID I'LL LET YOU GO ON AHEAD (UI)
CB: DID YOU UH . . . DID YOU FORM AN OPINION AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU FORM AN IDEA AT THAT POINT THAT YOU WANTED TO ABDUCT HER AT THAT POINT?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THIS WAS DRIVEN REALLY BY NOTHING BUT THE WELL, THE DESIRE TO OBTAIN HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER.
CB: THAT WAS THE SOLE PURPOSE YOU WANTED HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER?
GMH: YEAH, AND YEAH, AND UH, RATHER THAN PICK A GUY WHO WOULD, OR A COUPLE, UH, WITH A GUY WHO, WHO MIGHT REALLY FIGHT, YOU KNOW . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BECAUSE IF YOU WANT A CARD AND PIN NUMBER AND THE GUY FIGHTS YOU AND YOU GOTTA KILL HIM, WELL WHERE ARE YOU AT?
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO I FELT IT WOULD BE, I KNEW IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ESTABLISH CONTROL OVER A, A, A FEMALE, ANY FEMALE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . THAN IT WOULD A MALE. NOT THAT I COULDN'T WHOOP A MALE, BUT ONCE YOU WHIP 'EM, UH, IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT BE LEFT HOLDING IT IN THE BAG. SO TO SPEAK.
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. ALRIGHT UH . . .(PAUSE, NOISE) . . . OKAY, WHEN, WHEN DID YOU COME BACK IN CONTACT WITH HER AFTER SHE LEFT YOU ON A.T.?
GMH: ON HER RETURN TRIP DOWN. I WAS STILL MORE OR LESS ON THE WAY UP.
CB: OKAY. WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: WALKED UP, WALKED ALONG WITH HER.
CB: OKAY. DID YOU GUYS TALK?
GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
CB: WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT?
GMH: WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY I WALKED ALONG WITH HER. WE WERE JUST IN LOOSE CONTACT ON THE TRAIL. SHE WAS AHEAD OF ME A GOOD BIT OF COURSE IT'S A SINGLE TRACK TRAIL ANYWAY . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU CAN'T WALK ABREAST ANYWAY.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND SO, SO, YOU KNOW. I WOULD BE IN PROXIMITY TO HER SOMETIMES AND SOMETIMES SHE WOULD BE AHEAD OF ME. AGAIN, IT WAS, WE TALKED OF NOTHING . . . I, I, I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU I UH (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW, NOTHING OF, YOU KNOW, JUST, I DON'T KNOW, UH . . . I, I, I TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DAY AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AVOIDING, EVADING, I, I, I, YOU KNOW . . .
CB: NO, HER SPECIFICALLY, YOU, YOU, YOU HAD DECIDED TO ABDUCT HER WHEN YOU MET HER ON THE TRAIL (UI)
GMH: WELL, I SHOULD SAY POTENTIALLY.
CB: SHE WAS A, SHE WAS A GOOD POTENTIAL PERSON TO GET
GMH: POTENTIALLY.
CB: . . . HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER?
GMH: YEAH. YEAH. IF NOTHING ELSE BETTER CAME ALONG.
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT. OKAY.
GMH: IF ANYTHING BETTER CAME ALONG, UH POTENTIALLY…CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . HOW DID YOU UH, OR, OR BASICALLY Y'ALL TURNED BACK DOWN THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL . . .
GMH: HERBERT REESE TRAIL.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THE ACT OCCURRED, THE DEMAND OCCURRED UH, AT THE POINT WHERE THE UH, WATER BOTTLES AND BATON WERE FOUND AND LEASH AND DOG TREATS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE THE DEMAND OCCURRED.
CB: OKAY. AND BY DEM, BY DEMAND, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING, WHAT, WHAT . . .
GMH: GIVE ME YOUR CREDIT CARDS AND PIN NUMBER.
CB: OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: UH . . .ALRIGHT. AND, AND WHEN YOU DID THAT, WHEN YOU SAID THAT, DID YOU PRODUCE THE BATON . . .
GMH: NO.
CB: . . . OR WHAT, WHAT DID YOU PRODUCE?
GMH: A KNIFE, A BAYONET. THE BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE. I, I LOST CONTROL AND THOUGHT SHE FOUGHT. AND UH, AS I READ IN THE PAPER SHE'S A MARTIAL ARTIST.
CB: HOW DID, HOW DID . . .
GMH: I READ IN THE PAPER SHE PRACTICED MARTIAL ARTS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, AND SHE FOUGHT, AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE BLADE AND SLIGHTLY, VERY SLIGHTLY CUT HER HAND ON THE WEBBING BETWEEN HER THUMB AND FINGER . . . I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT TILL LATER ON AND I SAID WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CUT AT. SHE SAID WHEN I GRABBED THE KNIFE. AND UH, BUT SHE GRABBED THE KNIFE AND FOUGHT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEN I PRODUCED THE BATON. AND SHE FOUGHT THAT AND I LOST CONTROL OF THE BATON. AND I'M GOOD, TOO. THIS GIRL, WHO WAS, I THINK IT WAS YOU PROBABLY, OR ONE OF THE GBI'S SAID THAT LITTLE HUNDRED AND TWENTY POUND GIRL (UI) WHIP YOUR ASS, SO SHE ABOUT DID. SO I PRODUCED THE BATON, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAYONET, UH, I PRODUCED THE BATON, GRABBED THE BAT, I LOST CONTROL OF THE BAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: WE STEPPED OFF THE TRAIL, WHICH IS CUT DEEPLY INTO THE SLOPE, UH, AND WE STEPPED OFF DOWN THE SLOPE AND TUMBLED DOWN THE SLOPE. SO IT WAS ALL DOWN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND AT THAT TIME I DROPPED BOTH UH, THE BAT AND THE KNIFE.
CB: OKAY. NOW YOU REGAINED CONTROL OF THE KNIFE OR WHEN SHE GRABBED IT, OR . . .
GMH: DIDN'T I SAY LOST CONTROL OF THE KNIFE? ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HANDS ON IT (UI)
CB: OKAY. SO YOU WENT FOR THE BATON AND (UI)
GMH: YEAH. ONCE, ONCE YOUR OPPONENT GETS THEIR HAND ON YOUR WEAPON YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU, YOU MAY REGAIN IT, BUT . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . YOU'VE LOST CONTROL OF IT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOUR TASK IS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BATON, IS, IS NOT TO LET YOUR OPPONENT GET HOLD OF IT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I DROPPED BOTH OF 'EM WHEN WE STUMBLED DOWN. THE TRAIL SWITCHED BACK AT THAT POINT SO WE TUMBLED DOWN HILL AND WE LANDED ON THE TRAIL DOWN HILL WHERE IT HAD SWITCHED BACK. AND (UI)
CB: ALRIGHT. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS HAND, I PROBABLY HAVE MULTIPLE FRACTURES IN MY RIGHT HAND.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I WAS NOT IN PAIN AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM ARE MISPLACED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER AND I STILL COULDN'T GET CONTROL OF HER. SHE WOULD UH, FEIGN OR PRETEND THAT I WAS IN CONTROL AND THEN START FIGHTING AGAIN. SO I HAD TO, I HAD TO HIT HER A NUMBER OF TIMES. UH . . .
CB: DID YOU HIT HER EVERY TIME WITH YOUR RIGHT HAND, OR . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: STRAIGHT IN, STRAIGHT IN PUNCHES.
CB: THE FACE, OR . . .
GMH: YEAH. OR, OR THE HEAD, OR THE HEAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AS TO WHAT EXTENT SHE WAS INJURED, UH, THERE HER TWO EYES WERE SOMEWHAT BLACKENED. UH, SHE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. I, I CHECKED WITH HER A NUMBER OF TIMES AND SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN UH, AFTERWARDS SHE WAS NOT IN ANY PAIN OTHER THAN A HEADACHE. UH, I OFFERED HER, AND GAVE HER UH, ASPIRIN. THAT'S WAS AFTERWARDS. SO I HAD TO HAND FIGHT HER. AND UH, I, …
CB: ALRIGHT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
(NOISE)
CB: OKAY. ONCE YOU HIT HER IN THE HEAD AND THE, AND THE FACE, HOW, HOW MANY TIMES WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT HAPPENED?
GMH: REALLY HARD TO SAY. SHE WOULDN'T STOP, SHE WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T STOP FIGHTING, THEN SHE WOULD STOP, AND SHE'D START FIGHTING AGAIN. AND YELLING. UH, AT THE SAME TIME. UH, SO I, I NEEDED TO BOTH CONTROL HER AND SILENCE HER.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT CONTROL?
(COUGH)
GMH: WELL, UH . . .
CB: OR HOW (UI)
GMH: . . . I, I ONLY MOMENTARILY . . .
CB: (UI)
GMH: OKAY. WELL, I GOT HER TO STOP FIGHTING AND STOP YELLING. I SAID ALL I WANT IS YOUR CREDIT CARD AND PIN NUMBER MOVE OFF THE TRAIL. AND THERE WAS A CONTOUR LINE TRAIL THAT WENT OFF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. IN OTHER WORDS A CLOSED TRAIL.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THAT, THAT WAS CONTOURED AROUND OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL. AND I SAID MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. AND SHE STARTED MOVING AND THEN SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND WE TUMBLED OFF THAT TRAIL, DOWNHILL. BE ABLE TO FIND THE MARKS OF THAT WHERE WE TUMBLED OFF. IT'S NOT ON, ON THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL BUT IT IS A CLOSED TRAIL AND IT'S AT THAT SWITCH BACK WHERE WE FELL, THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL SWITCHES BACK . . .
CB: RIGHT. I'M FAMILIAR.
GMH: . . . AND UH, AND THIS IS THE, WELL, AND YOU KNOW WHERE THE BAT WAS FOUND. I, I, I (UI) SO . . .
CB: YEAH.
GMH: IT JUST CONTOURS AROUND OUT OF SIGHT.
CB: BY BAT YOU MEAN BATON.
GMH: BATON. RIGHT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, SHE STARTED FIGHTING AGAIN. WE BOTH TUMBLED OFF THE TRAIL AND I HAD TO STRIKE HER SEVERAL MORE TIMES . . .
CB: OKAY. (PAUSE) OKAY.
GMH: SO I GOT CONTROL OF HER AGAIN. QUIETED HER DOWN. GOT CONTROL OF HER, KEPT HER MOVING DOWN THAT CLOSED TRAIL, AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN SO TO SPEAK. WE'RE MOVING IN A MORE OR LESS NORTHWESTERN DIRECTION. AROUND THE CORNER OF THE MOUNTAIN OUT OF SIGHT OF THE HERBERT REESE TRAIL, AND AT THAT POINT I PRODUCED A UH, A UH, IT'S LIKE A UH, DUCK TIE. OH, IT'S LIKE UH, HANDCUFFS THAT POLICE USE . . .
CB: ZIP TIE?
GMH: ZIP TIE, YEAH.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: EXCEPT THESE ARE JUST COMMERCIAL ZIP TIES, EIGHTEEN INCH ZIP TIES.
CB: YOU REMEMBER WHAT COLOR THEY WERE?
GMH: YEAH, BLACK. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT (UI) OH, YOU NEED TO GET (UI) THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS . . . I, I, I UH . . .
CB: DID YOU HAVE A RUBBER BAND AROUND 'EM?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WE DID FIND ONE.
GMH: YEAH, I HAD A . . . OH, YOU DID? SO I ZIP TIED HER TO A TREE AND I UH, KNEW THAT I HAD TO GO AND CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. 'CAUSE I, I WAS AWARE THAT I HAD DROPPED ALL THAT STUFF, HER STUFF . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO I HAD TO GO BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE. I TOLD HER TO BE QUIET AND STAY . . .
CB: OKAY..
GMH: AND WENT BACK TO CLEAN THE CRIME SCENE BUT IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND.
CB: AND BY THAT TIME IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FOUND?
GMH: SEE I HAD SAW THE THREE, OUT THERE WITH THREE HIKERS THAT HAD FOUND THE THINGS. THEY WERE NO LONGER THERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEY WERE HEADED DOWN THE SLOPE, THEY WERE LOOK . . .
CB: WERE YOU CROUCHING BEHIND A ROCK AT THAT POINT? LOOKING AT THEM?
GMH: UH, I (UI) BEGAN LOOKING AT THEM AND THEN I LAID DOWN FLAT IN THE TRAIL ABOVE THEM.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: BECAUSE THERE IS A TRAIL THAT (UI) INTO A SLOPE AND SOMEONE BELOW . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . IF YOU LAID IN THE FLAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE (UI) . . .
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. YEAH.
GMH: OR INSULATED . . .SO TO SPEAK. UH, AND UH, I LAID DOWN IN THE TRAIL. AND THE STUFF WAS GONE.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT?
GMH: WENT BACK TO HER AND UH, CUT HER LOOSE. AND UH, SHE WAS NOT TIED AT ALL EXCEPT I, I PUT A LOOP AROUND HER NECK.
CB: UH, WHAT KIND OF LOOP?
GMH: UH, JUST A NYLON CORD, UH, THREE HUNDRED POUND TEST, JUST, IT WASN'T EVEN TIED. IT WAS LIKE A, A LOOP SLIP KNOT IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU TIE A LITTLE (UI)
CB: NOT TIED. A SLIP KNOT. RIGHT?
GMH: YEAH. AND UH, I TOLD HER THAT WE WERE MOVING DOWN HILL TO THE PARKING LOT. AND I WENT TO THE PARK, WE WENT TO THE PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT BY CROSS COUNTRY.
CB: I GOT YOU. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. AT THIS POINT WAS HER HANDS FREE?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. DIDN'T HAVE THOSE ZIP TIED?
GMH: NO.
CB: JUST HAD THE LOOP, NOOSE, NOOSE AROUND HER NECK?
GMH: YES, AND I TOLD HER I HAD A PISTOL, WHICH I DIDN'T HAVE A FIREARM.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: (UI) FIREARM. AND UH, AND I (UI) HER . . . BY, BY NOW SHE, I, NOW, NOW, BY THAT TIME, FROM THAT TIME ON . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE WAS COMPLIANT. TOTALLY COMPLIANT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER BEHAVIOR, OF HER UH, CONDITION AND UH, OF HER COMFORT FROM THEN ON ALSO. (PAUSE) MY INTENT WAS NOT TORTURE.
CB: OKAY, WELL . . .
GMH: YOU KNOW, I . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
CB: YEAH, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. UH . . . LET ME UH . . .
GMH: I UNDERSTOOD THE SITUATION.
CB: LET ME UH, STOP YOU FOR JUST A MINUTE. BECAUSE ME WRITING AND LOOKING DOWN AND GOING DOWN THAT MOUNTAIN, I, I'M GOING TO GET DIZZY.
GMH: I THINK HE CAN DRIVE O.K.
CB: (LAUGHS) (UI)
GMH: WE CAN TAKE A BREAK IF YOU WANT.
SS: YOU WANT ME TO SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT?
CB: NO, NO, KEEP GOING. KEEP GOING. LET'S JUST TAKE A LITTLE BREAK TILL WE GET ON STRAIGHTER GROUND . . . ARE YOU WARM ENOUGH?
GMH: YES, THANK YOU.
CB: ARE YOU GUYS GETTING WARM, OR . . .
(UI, NOISE)
(PAUSE)
GMH: WHAT ARE THESE MARKERS FOR? ARE THEY FOR SPEED DETERMINATION OUT HERE ON THE UH, ROAD?
CB: UH . . .
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS, THESE CALIBRATIONS ON THE ROAD. I'M SEEING THEM NOW, ALL OVER THE PLACE. ARE THEY FOR UH, DETERMINING SPEED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT?
CB: I DON'T KNOW.
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THEY PUT A STOP WATCH ON IT AND, I DON'T, I'M SEEING 'EM ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THAT'S THE ONLY . . .
TD: THOSE LITTLE WHITE ONES?
GMH: YEAH, THEY'RE LIKE UH, RULER CALIBRATIONS.
TD: NO, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE, WHEN YOU APPROACH ON A TURN. . .
GMH: OH . . .
TD: THEY SIGNIFY TWENTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR . . .
GMH: OH, I SEE.
TD: IT, IT'LL ILLUMINATE AT NIGHT.
GMH: I, I SEE. SEE, THAT'S HE'S AN INVESTIGATOR. (LAUGHS)
CB: ALRIGHT. SO, SHE WAS COMPLIANT AND, AND YOU MADE IT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT.
GMH: PROXIMITY OF THE PARKING LOT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: PROXIMITY. MATTER OF FACT (UI) BECAUSE YOU CAN CAMP LEGALLY TWO HUNDRED FEET OUTSIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT CAMPING IS LEGAL. SO I, I KNEW, IT'S A LEVEL SPOT THAT I KNEW WAS SLIGHTLY OVER TWO HUNDRED FEET.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND, AND WHAT DID YOU UH, WHAT DID YOU DO AT THAT POINT? SORTA . . .
GMH: THEN I SECURED HER TO A TREE.
CB: SECURED HER TO ANOTHER TREE?
GMH: YEAH. THIS WOULD HAVE EITHER BEEN WITH ANOTHER TWIST TIE OR JUST WITH A NYLON TWINE. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST UH, YOU KNOW, QUAD, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED UH, AROUND HER NECK AND QUADRUPLE (UI) KNOTTED AROUND THE TREE. UH, SHE WAS LOOSE IN OTHER WORDS. SO THAT IT COULD NOT BE READILY UNTIED. IN OTHER WORDS YOU'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE SQUARE KNOTS. YOU JUST CAN'T REACH UP AND UNTIE 'EM.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU GOTTA . . .
CB: ALRIGHT. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO? WHAT (UI)
GMH: WELL I TOLD HER I, I, I TOLD HER UH, WELL, I WAS GOING TO HAVE TO GET HER CARDS AND PIN NUMBER OUT OF THE CAR. WHICH WAS IN HER PURSE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UNDER THE SEAT. AND I TOLD HER . . .
CB: (UI) LET ME, LET ME, LET ME BACK UP. DID SHE TELL YOU WHERE HER PURSE AND PIN, UH, CARDS WERE?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. HOW DID SHE DO THAT? I MEAN, DID YOU ASK HER . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: . . . .ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING (UI)
GMH: YEAH. I TOLD HER FROM THE BEGINNING (UI)
CB: SO WHAT DID SHE SAY? UH, AT WHAT POINT DID SHE TELL YOU OKAY, YOU CAN HAVE IT? ONCE SHE WAS COMPLIANT?
GMH: YEAH. ONCE I GOT HER BACK AROUND THERE, YEAH, ONCE SHE BECAME COMPLIANT.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND SHE TOLD YOU WHERE HER CARDS WERE AT THAT POINT OR . . .
GMH: YEAH. SHE TOLD ME INCORRECTLY, BUT IT WAS JUST UNDER THE WRONG SEAT . . . SHE SAID UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY UNDER THE PASSENGER SEAT.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. UH . . . AND DID YOU TELL HER YOU WERE GONNA GO DOWN AND COLLECT THOSE (UI) AND WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: I TOLD HER WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT (UI) I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE. I (UI) I, I FELT THAT UH, IT WOULD BE DETERMINED BY THE UH, PEOPLE THAT FOUND THE EQUIPMENT THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT, IF THEY HAD HEARD HER YELLING.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND VOICES CARRY WHAT SOUNDS CARRY FOREVER UP THERE. IN THE WINTER TIME AND COLD AIR THEY CARRY FOREVER. SO I FELT THAT THERE WAS A VERY GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT UH, THE LAW WOULD BE THERE BY THE TIME WE GOT THERE, 'CAUSE IT TOOK US PROBABLY TWENTY MINUTES TO GO CROSS COUNTRY AND ALL . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: HAD TO TAKE THE SECUREST, SECURIST OF ROUTES UH, YOU KNOW, (UI) CROSS COUNTRY (UI) WORK OUR WAY DOWN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SO IT TOOK, YOU KNOW, SO I EXPECTED THE LAW TO BE THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: (UI)
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BY THEN UH, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD.
CB: OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND (UI) . . . (ANSWERS CELL PHONE, NON-PERTINENT) OKAY. UH . . .
GMH: SO BY, SO BY THEN WE WERE BOTH GETTING COLD. IT'S LATE IN THE DAY, IT'S UH, FOR WINTER TIME.
CB: HOW, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU WAITED TO SEE IF THE LAW WAS COMING?
GMH: TIL UH . . . WHAT TIME IS SUNSET NOW?
CB: FIVE THIRTY.
GMH: (UI) I THINK IT'S FIVE NOW, ABOUT LIKE (UI)
CB: WELL, ACTUAL SUNSET IS PROBABLY AROUND . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: FIVE FIFTEEN, FIVE THIRTY.
GMH: NO, NO, IT DOESN'T GET ANY, ANY, ANY UH, ANY SOONER THAN FIVE TWENTY FIVE (UI) ANYWAY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROXIMATELY RIGHT BEFORE SUNSET. UH, STARTING TO ENTER DUSK. OKAY.
CB: ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. SO IT'S . . .
GMH: WHAT TIME IS IT?
CB: IT'S FIVE FIFTY. (UI) ABOUT THIS TIME OF DAY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OH, SO WE'RE, YEAH. SO AS, AS YOU KNOW UH, IF YOU HAVE A CLEAR SKY, AND HIGH PRESSURE IN PLACE . . . SOON AS THE SUN GOES DOWN THE HEAT RADIATES RIGHT OUT AND THE TEMPERATURE DROPS LIKE A ROCK.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. IT'S, IT'S, SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD NOW.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO, I UH, HAD MY BACKPACK ON AND MY HIKING STUFF. AS I SAY, I'M THE ONLY PERSON ON THAT MOUNTAIN EQUIPPED TO BE HIKING UP THERE. EVERYBODY ELSE IS JUST TRUSTING THEIR LIFE TO THEIR FOOT WORK.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I'VE SEEN A GUY BREAK HIS LEG UP THERE AND I KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO GET A PERSON OFF THAT MOUNTAIN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT TAKES AT LEAST FOUR HOURS, EVEN IF THE CALL GOES OUT ABOUT THE TIME THEY HIT THE GROUND. IT TAKES FOUR HOURS TO GET 'EM DOWN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I KNOW. 'CAUSE I'VE SAW IT HAPPEN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND UH, SO I WAS SO, WE'RE BOTH GETTING COLD. SO I TOOK MY PACK OFF AND GAVE HER A UH, A FLEECE PULLOVER, A RED FLEECE PULLOVER WHICH YOU PROBABLY FOUND. IT'S A COLUMBIA BRAND AND UH, THE MATERIAL IS CALLED OMNI TECH IT'S A COLUMBIA (UI) AND IT'S RED. AND IT'S LONG. (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I GAVE THAT TO HER. AND THEN I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR MYSELF BUT I, I HAD ON A, A YELLOW (UI) JACKET (UI) BUT SHE, I HAVE TWO OF THAT DAY. SO YOU'LL ALSO FIND IN MY STUFF A (UI) YELLOW JACKET (UI) HOODLESS, HOODLESS GORTEX JACKETS AND I PUT ON A PAIR OF UH, GORTEX PANTS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I HAD NOTHING FOR MY CHEST (UI) AND I ALSO PULLED OUT A UH (UI) THAT I USED AS A EMERGENCY SHELTER, UH (UI) AND I PULLED OUT A (UI) THAT I USED AS AN EMERGENCY SHELTER AND WRAPPED THAT AROUND HER ALSO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEN I WENT DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT, LEFT HER TIED TO THAT TREE (UI)
CB: AT THAT POINT YOU LEFT HER AGAIN?
GMH: LEFT HER AGAIN
CB: AND THIS WAS APPROXIMATELY GETTING DARK?
GMH: YEAH (UI)
CB: GETTING DARK? OR AFTER DARK? AND WHERE DID YOU GO?
GMH: OH, I WENT DOWN AND UH, OPENED HER CAR, OPENED HER VAN . . . OH, AND I MOVED MY VAN NEXT TO HER CAR.
CB: DID SHE TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT HER VEHICLE WAS?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I GOT MY VAN AND MOVED IT NEXT TO HER CAR.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, I LOOKED FOR THE PURSE UNDER THE DRIVER'S SEAT, IT WASN'T THERE. THEN I WALKED UP, UNSECURED HER, WALKED HER DOWN, I HAD MY VAN OPEN … THE SIDE DOOR. AND UH, IT WAS NEXT TO HER CAR. SO I WALKED HER UP NEXT TO HER CAR. AGAIN, HER DOG WAS WITH HER. HER DOG WAS WITH HER.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO I WALKED HER UP UH, NEXT TO HER CAR . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OPENED THE SIDE DOOR OF MY VAN AND PUT HER IN MY VAN. AND, AND, THEN TOOK A UH, A CHAIN . . .PUT HER IN MY VAN AND LAID HER DOWN, THERE IS A SLIDING SIDE DOOR ON THE LEFT. OPENED THAT SLIDING DOOR, I HAD A CARGO BAGS THERE. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN ON THE CARGO BAGS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, I HAD TWO LENGTHS OF CHAIN PADLOCKED TO THE SEAT MOUNTING, THE FRONT SEAT MOUNTING, ONE CHAIN PADLOCKED, ANOTHER (UI) SEAT (UI)
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: (UI) THE SEAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE CAR. THE SHORTEST ONE WAS FOUR OR FIVE FEET LONG. THE OTHER WAS ABOUT NINE FEET LONG. IT WAS LINK CHAIN.
CB: YOU HAD IT AFFIXED TO YOUR FRAME?
GMH: YEAH. AFFIXED TO THE SEAT. UH, IT UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHERE YOUR SEAT ATTACHES TO THE CAR. IT'S QUITE SECURE IN CASE YOU GET HIT. YOU KNOW IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU REACH UNDER THE SEAT . . .
CB: WHAT WAS . . .
GMH: THE OTHER . . .
CB: . . . WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHAIN ITSELF? I MEAN, YOU HAD IT ALREADY ATTACHED TO YOUR (UI)
GMH: YEAH. IT WAS ALREADY ATTACHED. ONE WAS ATTACHED THERE AND ONE WAS ATTACHED HERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YEAH, THEY WERE ATTACHED BY BEING PADLOCKED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IN OTHER WORDS THE CHAINS, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS BROUGHT UNDER THE SEAT, SECURED, AND PADLOCKED.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND THE OTHER END WAS LOOSE. AND DITTO WITH THAT.
CB: AND WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT?
GMH: TO SECURE HER . . . OH, NO, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO UH, NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE THAT TO, IF I WAS CARRYING EXPENSIVE EQUIP, LIKE A GENERATOR OR SOMETHING IN THE VAN, I WOULD CHAIN THE GENERATOR IN THE VAN IN CASE SOMEONE SAW THE GENERATOR TO BREAK IN, SOMEONE WILL BREAK IN TO STEAL A 3 ½ KW GENERATOR.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . IF THEY SEE IT SITTING IN A VAN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THEY'LL JUST BREAK IN YOUR VAN JUST TO GET THAT.
CB: DID YOU HAVE TO UNLOCK THE CHAIN TO PUT IT ON HER OR . . .
GMH: NO, I, NO, THAT END, I HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: HAD SEVERAL PADLOCKS. SO I HAD ANOTHER, I HAD TWO OTHER PADLOCKS. SO I HAD A LOT OF PADLOCKS. A NUMBER OF PADLOCKS. AND UH, SO, BOTH OF THOSE ENDS WERE, BOTH OF THOSE CHAINS WERE PADLOCKED BY ONE END TO THE SEAT MOUNT. ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT, IF A PERSON WAS LAYING THIS WAY, FEET THERE, HEAD THERE, ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN AT THE FEET AND ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE VICINITY OF THE HEAD.
CB: OKAY, SO YOU CHAINED ONE CHAIN TO HER
GMH: SO UH . . .
CB: HOW DID YOU CHAIN HER?
GMH: IN ABOUT, THE SHORTEST CHAIN WAS ABOUT UH, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, SIX FEET LONG. THE LONGEST ONE WAS TWELVE FEET, I BELIEVE. SO I JUST TOOK SIMPLY ONE END AND THEN UH, IT WASN'T TIGHTLY. I JUST TOLD HER TO LAY DOWN . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, ONE END OF THE CHAIN WAS PADLOCKED ALREADY TO THE SEAT. SO I TOOK THE OTHER AND, I DIDN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END (UI) YOU KNOW, BUT (UI) I KNOW, FOUR, FIVE, SIX (UI) OTHER. PUT IT AROUND HER SO IT WAS TIGHT ENOUGH SO SHE COULDN'T GET IT OVER HER HEAD . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND PADLOCKED THAT. I DIDN'T SECURE HER FEET OR HER HANDS.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WHAT DID SHE SAY TO YOU? DID SHE SAY ANYTHING AT THAT POINT?
GMH: SHE SAID UH, THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VAN. NOT, OR IN THE, I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H. AND THEN I DETERMINED FROM WHERE HER, HER PURSE WAS AND IT WAS UNDER THE PASSENGER NOT UNDER THE DRIVER.
CB: DID YOU HAVE TO FORCE HER INTO THE VAN OR . . . DID SHE COOPERATE?
GMH: NO, SHE PROTESTED BUT . . . NO, NO I MEAN, SHE WAS COMPLIANT. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HIT HER, NO PHYSICAL FORCE OF ANY KIND AFTER THAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AFTER THAT UH, ON THE MOUNTAIN.
CB: OH, OKAY. SO SHE PROTESTED AND SAID . . .
GMH: THEY TOLD ME NOT TO GET IN THE VEHICLE. I SAID GET IN THE VAN B***H.
CB: AND SHE WENT IN? O.K. BUT SHE DIDN'T GET PHYSICAL?
GMH: NEVER AGAIN. NEVER . . .NOTHING.
CB: NO? OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .SO YOU PUT A PIECE OF CHAIN AROUND HER NECK . . .
GMH: THAT CHAIN THAT I TOLD YOU ABOUT.
CB: DRIVER'S SIDE?
GMH: YEAH, THE DRIVER'S SIDE (UI) IT DIDN'T HAVE HER CINCHED DOWN TIGHT. IT JUST . . .
CB: THAT DON'T BOTHER YOU SHERIFF? OKAY.
SS: NO
GMH: NO, NO, SHE, SHE WAS NOT . . . AS A MATTER OF FACT UH, YOU KNOW, SHE COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, GRABBED SOMETHING, SMACKED ME UP THE SIDE OF THE HEAD WHILE I WAS DRIVING. YOU KNOW. I SAID I, I (UI, NOISE) . . . SO YEAH, SHE COULD HAVE REACHED AROUND AND GOT A, STRANGLE HOLD OR ANYTHING ELSE WHILE I WAS DRIVING IT WAS JUST TO KEEP FROM JUMPING UP AND JUMPING OUT. AND I ALSO PUT THE CHILD PROOF LATCH ON THE SLIDING DOOR SO IT COULD NOT BE OPENED FROM THE INSIDE.
CB: THE, THE CHAIN THAT'S ON THE PASSENGER SEAT, WHAT DID YOU DO, PUT IT AROUND HER LEG
GMH: NO, NO, I JUST.
CB: JUST THE ONE ON HER NECK. OKAY. OKAY. AT THAT POINT YOU WENT AND GOT HER PURSE.
GMH: WHICH WAS NEXT TO...
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT. O.K. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: THEN UH, BY THEN, UH, OF COURSE HER DOG WAS A LITTLE LEERY OF ME. BY THEN. OF COURSE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: A, A LITTLE SKIDDISH OF ME.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: TO SAY THE LEAST, AND UH, SO I GOT HER DOG TO JUMP IN HER CAR I TOLD HER AND UH, I UH, AND I, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER DOG, OF COURSE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, I SAID I PUT IT IN YOUR CAR SO IT WILL BE OKAY. PUT HER DOG IN HER CAR.
CB: IN WHAT CAR.
GMH: IN HER CAR.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: GOT THAT AND THEN LEFT AND HEADED 129 NORTH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: TOWARDS BLAIRSVILLE
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND GOT SEVERAL MILES AS WE WERE DRIVING (UI) SEVERAL MILES AWAY SHE STILL VOICING CONCERN ABOUT HER DOG. SO, PLUS, I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT, I WANTED HER TO BE CALM AND, YOU KNOW (UI) I, I KNEW SHE WAS ANXIOUS ABOUT HER DOG. AND SHE WAS WONDERING ABOUT HER DOG, IF HER DOG WAS GOING TO BE OKAY. SO I SAID WELL. YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO GET YOUR DOG? SHE SAID YES. SO I TURNED AROUND. WENT BACK. AND GOT HER DOGCB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUICK QUESTION. DID SHE EVER GIVE YOU HER PIN NUMBER WHILE SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN, I MEAN, WHILE YOU WERE ASKING FOR IT ON THE MOUNTAIN?
GMH: YEAH, YEAH. AFTER I GOT CONTROL OF HER AROUND THE SIDE SHE GAVE ME A PIN NUMBER.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS INCORRECT.
CB: OKAY. AND WELL I'M ASKING . . .
GMH: SHE NEVER GAVE ME A CORRECT NUMBER.
CB: OKAY. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . .
GMH: (UI)
CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, HOW (UI)
GMH: (UI)
CB: LET ME ASK YOU THIS . . .
GMH: I'M SORRY IF MY BREATH IS BAD. I BEEN DRINKING COFFEE.
CB: NO, THAT'S FINE. YOU UH, YOU HAD A PIN NUMBER?
GMH: UH HUH.
CB: AND YOU HAD HER CARDS?
GMH: UH HUH.
CB: BUT YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE SHE HAD GIVEN YOU THE CORRECT PIN NUMBER OR YOU TOOK HER JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS THE RIGHT PIN NUMBER.
GMH: CORRECT.
CB: OKAY. WOULD, I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU HAD PLANNED TO DO ANYWAY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY OKAY. NEIL, EVERYTHING OKAY WITH YOU SO FAR?
NS: (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I'M GONNA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. THERE WAS NEVER ANY PLAN TO LET HER GO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO I WOULD BE IDENTIFIED I KNEW THAT IF I LET HER GO (UI) IDENTIFY YOURSELF. I KNEW THAT SHE COULDN'T, COULDN'T BE LET GO.
CB: OKAY. SO YOU . . .
GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS DOOMED.
CB: BY, BY SAYING, BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME BY SAYING THAT, YOU'RE BASICALLY TELLING ME THAT WHEN YOU FIRST MET HER AT THE A.T. AND REESE TRAIL . . .
GMH: NO, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT.
CB: OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: ALRIGHT. UH . . . BUT ONCE YOU ABDUCTED HER THERE WAS NO CHANCE SHE WAS GONNA, SHE WAS GONNA GET OUT. CORRECT?
GMH: I, I, I CAN'T, I, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT.
CB: IS THAT ON ADVICE OF COUNSEL OR . . .
NS: (UI) WELL YOU ALREADY TOLD HIM I THINK
CB: RIGHT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S FINE. UH, SO WHAT, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO AFTER YOU CAME BACK AND GOT THE DOG?
GMH: UH, BACK THE SAME DIRECTION.
CB: OKAY. NORTH ON ONE TWENTY NINE. OKAY... AND WHERE'D YOU GO TO?
GMH: BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: WHAT'D YOU DO IN BLAIRSVILLE?
GMH: WENT TO THE APPALACHIAN BANK. THE UH, APPALACHIAN MOUNTAIN BANK. IN UH, BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: ATTEMPTED THE CARD. AND IT WAS THE WRONG CARD.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . . AND THEY DIDN'T WORK?
GMH: DIDN'T WORK. I PARKED ACROSS THE STREET.
CB: HOW MANY CARDS DID YOU USE?
GMH: UH, I HAD, I HAD A UH, I HAD THREE, BUT I'M REALLY NOT SURE. 'CAUSE SHE HAD ME RUN 'EM SO MANY TIMES THAT UH, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT SURE. I MEAN I RUN THEM IN BLAIRSVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO GAINESVILLE AND THEN I WENT TO CANTON . . .
CB: WELL LET'S, LET'S . . .
GMH: . . . AND TRIED MULTIPLE TIMES.
CB: ALRIGHT. LET'S DO IT, LET'S DO IT STEP BY STEP, THOUGH. THIS TIME YOU, YOU HAD THREE CARDS. YOU ATTEMPTED 'EM IN THE APPALACHIAN BANK.
GMH: I WON'T SAY I ATTEMPTED ALL OF 'EM.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I, I WOULDN'T (UI)
CB: BUT YOU WERE IN POSSESSION OF 'EM.
GMH: YEAH. I'M IN POSSESSION OF THREE OF 'EM AND I PROBABLY TRIED A WACHOVIA DEBIT CARD, UH, WELL I KNOW I TRIED THAT FIRST, BUT IF I TRIED ANY OF THE OTHERS I, I'M NOT SURE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I'M NOT SURE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I, I CAN ONLY TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT I TRIED THE WACHOVIA.
CB: AND YOU SAID YOU PARKED WHERE?
GMH: TO THE, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW MY DIRECTIONS BUT IT WOULD BE UH, IF YOU'RE AT THE ATM, UH, IT'S THE ATM IS, IT'S A DRIVE-IN. AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ATM, I'M ACROSS THE STREET IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS. AND UH, LOOKING AT THE ATM FROM MY PARKED POSITION UH, TO THE LEFT AND BEYOND IS A WAFFLE HOUSE OR A HUDDLE HOUSE THERE.
CB: OKAY. DID YOU ATTEMPT TO CONCEAL YOUR FACE IN ANY WAY WHILE YOU . . .
GMH: YES, I DID CONCEAL MY FACE.
CB: HOW DID YOU CONCEAL YOUR FACE?
GMH: HELD A UH, UH, TOWEL OVER MY UH, FACE.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. AND OBVIOUSLY TO NO AVAIL AT THAT LOCATION SO YOU LEFT AND . . .
GMH: WELL, NO, IT WAS A LITTLE MORE DRAWN OUT THAN THAT.
CB: OKAY. TELL ME ABOUT ALL THAT.
GMH: CARD WOULDN'T WORK, IT WAS EITHER UH, INVALID OR UNAUTHORIZED. SO I CAME BACK, WENT BACK TO THE VAN. I SAID HONEY I'VE GOT (UI) AND UH, SHE'S DANCING AROUND WITH TWO MORE PIN NUMBERS. WELL I THINK I DID THIS OR I JUST CHANGED IT OVER AND I'M NOT SURE AND THIS AND THAT AND I CHANGED IT AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. GO TRY IT AGAIN. IT'LL WORK.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THE FIRST NUMBER SHE GIVE ME. ANOTHER TWO NUMBERS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SHE GIVE ME A NUMBER. AND UH, TRIED IT AGAIN. MIGHT HAVE TRIED THE UH, UH, VISA CREDIT CARD TOO. I MAY HAVE. I MAY HAVE AND I MAY NOT HAVE. (UI) TRIED ANOTHER UH, NUMBER AND CAME BACK HON, NOT WORKING. YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST GIVE IT UP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT (UI) SHE CONVINCES ME TO I THINK TRY THE THIRD AND MAYBE EVEN A FOURTH TIME. (UI) THE NUMBER (UI)
CB: OKAY AND IT DIDN'T WORK?
GMH: NONE OF IT WORKED.
CB: OKAY. THEN WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: SO SHE'S STILL TELLING ME IT'S, IT'LL, IT'S GONNA WORK. IT'S GONNA WORK. MUST BE A WRONG BANK OR A, MAYBE A WACHOVIA. I'VE ONLY USED IT AT THIS AND THAT. JUST A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF. SHE'S ALL OVER THE PLACE (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, SO I DETERMINED TO DRIVE SOMEWHERE AT, AT ANOTHER BANK. AT A WACHOVIA. SHE SAID SHE USED THAT OTHER (UI) AND UH . . . (UI). .
CB: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
CB: UH, SO YOU LEFT AND WENT TO GAINESVILLE TO ATTEMPT IT AT.
GMH: YEAH, SINCE I NEEDED A, A MET, A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA BECAUSE I'M WALKING UP TO ATM'S, WALKING LATER AT NIGHT WITH MY FACE COVERED . . .
CB: UMM.
GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU GOTTA BE KINDA CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT ATM YOU USE. IF ANYONE SEES YOU, OR ON A COLD NIGHT, LATE AT NIGHT, ON FOOT, AT A DRIVE-IN ATM, COVERING YOUR FACE, YOU KNOW, SOME POLICE OFFICER JUST PASSING BY . . .
CB: UMM.
GMH: YOU KNOW. SO I NEEDED A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA IN WHICH TO GET A, A BETTER LOCATION AND HAVE A SELECTION OF LOCATIONS. SO I DETERMINED THAT GAINESVILLE WAS THE PLACE.
CB: YOU SAID A LARGER METROPOLITAN AREA (UI)
GMH: THAN BLAIRSVILLE. THAN BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: I MEAN, WOULD IT HAVE BEEN BETTER TO HAVE BEEN IN THE DAYLIGHT AT, AT THAT TIME, OR . . .
GMH: NO, IT HAS, THERE'S A WINDOW, THERE, YOU SEE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THE WINDOW IS BETWEEN DARK AND TOO, TOO LATE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT BECOMES INAPPROPRIATE IF IT'S . . .
CB: RIGHT. BUT IN THE DAYTIME WOULD HAVE BEEN OKAY?
GMH: NO, NO, NO (UI)
CB: DEFINITELY NOT DAYTIME.
GMH: NO. NO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU WANT A TIME BETWEEN DARK AND TOO LATE, WHEN THE STREETS CLEAR OUT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: ON A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THE STREETS ARE GONNA CLEAR AND THEN ANY POLICE OFFICER PASSING BY, POLICE OFFICERS ARE INQUISITIVE AND CURIOUS BY NATURE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO HE WOULD HAVE BEEN CURIOUS AS TO WHY, YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL THE STREETS ARE EMPTY, WHY IS THIS GUY WALKING AROUND AT AN ATM HOLDING SOMETHING OVER HIS FACE?
CB: OKAY. JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND IF YOU WILL.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: I'M JUST GONNA CHECK THIS VOICE MESSAGE.
(PAUSE)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO GAINESVILLE WAS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE, BUT IT WAS, IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE AREA. METROPOLITAN AREA. SO, STILL ACTIVITY BY THE TIME I GOT THERE. WHICH IS NOT THAT LATE BUT SUCH A BITTERLY COLD NIGHT, YOU KNOW. IT'S EFFECTIVELY LATE, VERY EARLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST CLEAR OFF. IT'S COLD. WENT DOWN THERE AND GOT A WACHOVIA . . .
CB: WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS IT NEEDS TO BE DARK BUT THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE PEOPLE AROUND AND DOING THINGS . . .
GMH: RIGHT.
CB: SO THAT YOU DON'T JUST SORTA STAND OUT THAT YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON ON THE STREET.
GMH: EXACTLY. ANY, ANY POLICE OFFICER IS CURIOUS AND INQUISITIVE. INQUISITIVE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IF HE'S ANY GOOD AT ALL HE'S CURIOUS AND ANYTIME HE SEES A PERSON, ANYTIME HE SEES ANYTHING THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . TO ANY SITUATION HE ASKS HIMSELF WHY.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: AND I UNDERSTAND (UI) HEY, ARE YOU A POLICE OFFICER? OH YEAH, RIGHT (UI)
CB: (LAUGHS)
GMH: I'M JUST KIDDING, A LITTLE LEVITY.
CB: UM. OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE, SO I FOUND THE ONE OFF OF UH, DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT I GUESS . . . UH, ONE OFF DOWNTOWN GAINESVILLE, I GUESS THAT IS THE MAIN DRAG IN GAINESVILLE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S HIGHWAY SIXTY. THERE'S A WACHOVIA BANK. IT'S NEAR TO A, SOME COLLEGE CAMPUS, UH, THAT'S UH . . .
CB: IS IT A WACHOVIA BANK?
GMH: YEAH. AND IT'S UH, HIGHWAY SIXTY, ABOUT DOWNTOWN OR IN THE CENTRAL CITY OF GAINESVILLE . . . IT WOULD BE TO THE NORTH SIDE UH, ON THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF, OF THAT STREET, WHICH I THINK IS SIXTY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. EACH TIME I'D COME BACK AND UH, TELL HER IT WASN'T WORKING AND SHE WOULD CONVINCE ME TO GO BACK AND TRY AGAIN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AGAIN, UH, SHE WAS ONLY SECURED BY A LOOSE CHAIN . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SHE, SHE WAS NOT, HER HANDS WEREN'T SECURE, BUT WE WERE IN A DARK PARKING LOT. I MEAN, JUST THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PARKED IN A PARKING LOT OF A CLOSED BUSINESS WOULD . . .
CB: THROW UP A FLAG . . .
GMH: TO A POLICE OFFICER.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IT SHOULD.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: HE'S DRIVING, HE KNOWS HIS BEAT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: HE KNOWS EVERYTHING ON THAT BEAT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OKAY. AND IF HE'S DRIVING BY A BUILDING THAT'S CLOSED, AND THE PARKING LOT'S EMPTY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A VAN IN THAT PARKING LOT, HE'S GONNA WONDER WHY.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: HE'LL PROBABLY CHECK IT OUT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I COULD BE A BURGLAR.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BUT, HEY. SO I WAS. I WAS PARKED THERE A HALF, I DON'T KNOW, A HUNDRED YARDS AWAY IN A CLOSED BUSINESS IN THE PARKING LOT. (UI) AND SHE WAS ALWAYS SECURED LOOSELY BY THE CHAIN SO THAT . . .
CB: WHEN YOU SAY LOOSELY, COULD SHE HAVE SLIPPED IT OVER HER HEAD?
GMH: NO, I MEAN, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY IS SHE WAS . . .
CB: WASN'T CHOKING.
GMH: NO, NO, I, JUST SECURE ENOUGH THAT SHE COULDN'T SLIP, WHAT I MEAN LOOSELY, SHE HAD FREEDOM OF, OF MOVEMENT AROUND IN, IN THE VAN.
CB: OH, AND HER DOG WAS WITH HER SO SHE, YOU THINK SHE FELT COMFORTABLE (UI)
GMH: YEAH, YEAH.
CB: (UI)
GMH: NO, NO . . .
CB: OR NOT MAKE ANY NOISE (UI)
GMH: SHE WASN'T GOING NOWHERE AND I TOLD HER IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE IT WAS CURTAINS
CB: OKAY, OKAY. AND, AND WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DID, HOW DID YOU PUT THAT TO HER, IF SHE MADE ANY NOISE, WHAT DID YOU SAY.
GMH: YOU GO MESSING AROUND I'LL SHOOT YOUR ASS.
CB: OKAY. UH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE KEPT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU THAT IT WOULD WORK. THAT . . .
GMH: OH, SHE DID CONVINCE ME.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SHE RAN ME BACK, I'D COME, I'D GO (LAUGHS) LIKE AN IDOT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I MEAN, REALLY, YOU KNOW SOME, ETERNAL OPTIMIST.
CB: UHH.
GMH: I'D HAVE TO GO OUT OF THE VAN, WALK FOR A HUNDRED YARDS OR WHEREVER TO RUN IT, YOU KNOW, COME BACK. SHE'D GIVE ME SOME OTHER STORY . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW, OR ANOTHER CARD . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . YOU KNOW. I'VE GOT THREE OF THEM TO WORK WITH.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: (LAUGHS) I DON'T KNOW WHY THE REASON FOR ALL OF THIS WAS (LAUGHS ) . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: YOU KNOW, I TOLD HER LATER, I SAID HELL, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ASK YOU WHY. IT'S JUST THAT I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF YOU BEEN, RUNNING, DOING THIS FOR.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: AND SO I'D RUN IT, AND COME BACK, RUN, AND HON YOU KNOW AND TRY THIS AND THIS NUMBER AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND UH, I DID, BUT DIDN'T WORK.
CB: OKAY. SO . . .
GMH: COME BACK. HON. (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: WELL THEY SENT OUT (UI, LAUGHS) PROBABLY FOUR TIMES OR SO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: MAYBE FIVE. SHE SENT ME WALKING BACK TO THAT THING, HOLDING A DAMN TOWEL IN FRONT OF ME. . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BY NOW IT'S GETTING LATE. THE STREETS ARE FREAKING EMPTY AND AS, AS FAR AS PEDESTRIANS GO. BUT THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TRAFFIC.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: NOW THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF MOTOR TRAFFIC BUT THE STREETS ARE EMPTY AND HUH, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES SHE SENT ME BACK TO THAT THING, MAN.
CB: UMM. ALRIGHT, UH, YOU UH . . . YOU BASICALLY . . . YOU BASICALLY UH, TRIED IT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AND IT DIDN'T WORK. NOW HOW INJURED WAS SHE, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? I MEAN, WAS SHE . . .
GMH: OH, I KEPT INQUIRING ABOUT IT, UH, NOT AT ALL
CB: COULD YOU, COULD YOU VISUALLY SEE THAT SHE WAS . . .
GMH: SHE HAD . . .
CB: WAS SHE BLEEDING?
GMH: NO, NO, SHE . . . NO, NEVER BLEEDING. SHE HAD JUST SLIGHTLY BLACKENED EYES . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SLIGHT BRUISE ON HER NOSE. SHE MAY HAVE A FRACTURED NOSE. UH, BUT, VISUALLY AND, AND FROM WHAT SHE TOLD ME, SHE JUST HAD A HEADACHE. YEAH. SO I, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. OH, AND I ASKED HER WHAT SHE WANTED . . .
CB: WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU GIVE HER THE ASPIRIN?
GMH: I GAVE HER ASPIRIN SEVERAL TIMES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE FIRST TIME WAS . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I ASKED HER CONSTANTLY IF SHE WAS IN PAIN, UH, IF SHE HAD LOST CONSCIOUSNESS. I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD DOUBLE VISION I ASKED HER IF SHE HAD RINGING IN HER EARS AND I ASKED WHAT SHE WANTED AS FAR AS A PAINKILLER GOES. AND WHEN SHE ASKED FOR ASPIRIN, WHENEVER THAT WAS, I GAVE HER ASPIRIN. AND I CONTINUED ANYTIME SHE WANTED TO GIVE HER ASPIRIN.
CB: UH, OKAY, SO WHEN YOU LEFT THE BANK ATTEMPTS DOWN, DOWN IN GAINESVILLE, WHICH WAY DID YOU GO?
GMH: BACK TO DAHLONEGA. NOW IT'S TOO LATE AND I, I'VE HAD IT. I, I'M LIKE (UI), WITH THE M.S. SOME DAYS I CAN'T GET OUT OF BED AND SOME DAYS I'M GOOD FOR A FEW HOURS. (UI) . . . WHEN I GET TO THIS POINT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ANYTHING (UI)
CB: WHAT, WHICH, WHICH DIRECTION DID YOU GO TO GO TO DAHLONEGA?
GMH: HIGHWAY SIXTY, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY AND FOUR HUNDRED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YEAH. HIGHWAY SIXTY TO THE HEAD OF FOUR HUNDRED.
CB: OKAY THEN WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT UP THERE?
GMH: OH NO, NO. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHEN I WENT, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, HIGHWAY SIXTY TO FOUR HUNDRED AND THEN SIXTY GOES RIGHT ON IN TO DAHLONEGA. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
CB: WHERE DID YOU STAY IN DAHLONEGA?
GMH: OKAY. THEN I ATTEMPTED TO GO UH, NORTH, UH, ONE TWENTY NINE AGAIN, BUT WE WERE NOW HAVING SNOW, COMING AT THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AS I GOT HIGHER ELEVATIONS I WAS GONNA FIND A PLACE TO CAMP BUT I WAS SHOT BY THEN. I COULDN'T THINK STRAIGHT.
CB: OKAY. SO YOU ACTUALLY CAME SIXTY UP TO DAHLONEGA AND THEN YOU CUT BACK ACROSS TO ONE TWENTY NINE, OR . . .
GMH: NO, ONE TWENTY NINE GOES INTO DAHLONEGA.
CB: NO . . .
GMH: IT'S A BYPASS AROUND DAHLONEGA
CB: ARE YOU, THINKING ABOUT . . .
GMH: ONE TWENTY NINE GOES OVER NEAL'S GAP. AM I NOT RIGHT? AM I CORRECT?
CB: (UI)
GMH: WE CAME ONE TWENTY NINE.
CB: OKAY. ONE TWENTY NINE (UI)
SS: (UI)
GMH: AND ACTUALLY FOR SOME REASON AND I'M NOT SURE WHY I, I WENT INTO DOWNTOWN DAHLONEGA AND UH, I DIDN'T GO THE BYPASS. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO (UI) AND I JUST GOT ON IT, PERHAPS, AND UH, I'M NOT MENTALLY FUNCTIONING BY THEN. AS I AM NOW. I'M START, I'M STARTING TO FLAG OUT RIGHT NOW. SO (UI) AND UH, I STARTED . . .
CB: I, I MAY BE, I MAY BE TOTALLY LOST, BUT I WAS THINKING ONE TWENTY NINE RAN FROM GAINESVILLE TO BLAIRSVILLE. IS THAT . . .
GMH: IT DOES.
CB: OKAY. AND WHERE, AT WHAT PART, PART OF ONE TWENTY NINE . . .
GMH: I JUST COULDN'T . . .
CB: GOES AROUND DAHLONEGA? WHERE, WHERE WE (UI)
GMH: (UI) NO, NO.
TD: IS THAT SIXTY?
GMH: YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIXTY PROBABLY.
TD: YEAH, BUT ONE TWENTY NINE IS (UI)
GMH: INTO TOWN, YEAH, OH YEAH . . .
TD: RIGHT?
GMH: OH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. IT'S NOT ONE TWENTY NINE AT THAT POINT.
CB: ONE, ONE TWENTY . . .
GMH: IT'S NOT, IT COMES IN, IT'S SIXTY, IT COMES, OR WHATEVER . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT COMES INTO IT AT TURNER'S CORNER IS WHERE IT COMES, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT.
CB: THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY WE BASICALLY JUST CAME.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. UH, SOME WAY OR THE OTHER I ENDED UP GOING THROUGH DAHLONEGA. I'M NOT SURE WHY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I COULDN'T EVEN REMEMBER STRAIGHT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YEAH. AND I STARTED NORTH TO UH, WITH THE OBJECT OF GETTING A CAMPSITE SOMEWHERE. AND THE SNOW WAS COMING IN AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS. AND IT WAS ACCUMULATING RAPIDLY. AND THERE WAS PROBABLY TWO INCHES ON THE GROUND, ON THE ROAD, VERY QUICKLY, AND I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND CONTROL. AND THEN UH, I CAME AROUND A CURVE AND A CAR HAD SORT OF SLID OFF THE ROAD AND THERE WAS A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY THERE CAR WITH IT'S BLUE LIGHTS. AND I WAS STRUGGLING UP HILL. AND I KNEW IT WAS JUST GONNA GET WORSE (UI) IN A HIGHER ELEVATION AND I KNEW HE, HE WAS, THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY WAS ENGAGED UH, WITH, WITH THAT CAR, BUT I KNEW THAT MORE THAN LIKELY HE WAS ROAD, GONNA ROADBLOCK THAT ROAD AND TELL EVERYONE HEADED UP HILL NOT TO GO.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TO, TO ADVISE THEM NOT TO GO. OKAY. SO I KNEW THAT IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THAT HE WAS GONNA COME AFTER, UH, OR HAVE SOMEONE GET ME AND SAY HEY, YOU'RE NUTS. DON'T GO UP THERE. AND HE WAS RIGHT. I WOULDN'T HAVE ATTEMPTED IT. I WAS LOSING TRACTION AND SLIDING. NOW WE HAD ABOUT TWO INCHES OF ICE AND SNOW . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO, IT WAS NOT SO MUCH GOING UP HILL THAT YOU MAY JUST LOSE TRACTION AND NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE. BUT GOING DOWN HILL YOU PUT ON YOUR BRAKES AND JUST KEEP SLIDING AND YOU WRECK OUT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UP HILL, YOU JUST CONTINUE NO FURTHER. DOWN HILL YOU'LL WRECK.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UH, WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF ON (UI)
CB: OKAY. AND WHEN, WHERE DID YOU WIND UP?
GMH: SO THE SHERIFF'S CAR WAS THERE AND I KNEW IF I DIDN'T TURN AROUND THERE OR WHERE HE COULD SEE ME, THAT HE WAS GONNA COME GET ME OR SEND SOMEONE AFTER ME.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO DAWSON, DAWSONVILLE.
SS: NO, WE'RE, WE'RE . . .
GMH: OH, THIS, OH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, YEAH, OKAY.
SS: YEAH.
GMH: NOW THIS IS THE INTERSECTION WE CAME THROUGH. YEAH. OUT OF GAINESVILLE. WE CAME THROUGH, THAT WAY, TO DAHLONEGA.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE HELL I HAD IN MIND. AT THIS POINT, I WAS LOOKING FOR A CAMPSITE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I TURNED AROUND, SOON AS I PASSED THE SHERIFF'S CAR I JUST TURNED AROUND AND TURNED OUT, YOU KNOW, PULLED OFF THE ROAD, AND GLAD I GOT TRACTION. IT WAS IN SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD BUT YOU COULDN'T TELL THAT AT FIRST BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A SNOW PIT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT IT SURE SOMEONE, OR TURNED INTO SOMEONE'S FRONT YARD.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND TURNED AROUND AND WENT BACK DOWN JUST RIGHT PAST THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SHE SAW THE BLUE LIGHTS AND EVERYTHING BUT, AND WAS ONLY LOOSELY SECURED AS FAR AS (UI) AND WENT DOWN HILL, WENT DOWN TO HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO UH, DAHLONEGA HIGHWAY FIFTY TWO WEST . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND WENT TO A FOREST SERVICE ROAD UH, NIMBLEWILL CHURCH CREEK ROAD, IT'S ABOUT PROBABLY SIX, SEVEN MILES WEST OF DAHLONEGA. I COULD POINT IT ON A MAP. AND UH, WENT UP THERE, WENT TEN MILES UP THERE 'CAUSE IT'S FIVE MILES THROUGH PRIVATE PROPERTY (UI) SO I WENT TEN MILES UP THAT AND UH, THEY'S A CAMPSITE, A NUMBER OF CAMPSITES. ON THAT ROAD CAMPING IS ONLY ALLOWED IN DESIGNATED SITES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: WHICH IS (UI) AND THAT (UI)
CB: OKAY. SO YOU CAMPED THERE FOR THE NIGHT?
GMH: CAMPED THERE. I GAVE HER THE BEST BAG, THE BEST, I GAVE HER THE MATTRESS THAT DIDN'T LEAK. I GOT A PLUS FIVE DEGREE BAG, I HAD A (UI) DEGREE, BUT, YOU KNOW, EACH DOG GOT A BAG. EACH DOG GOT A TWENTY DEGREE BAG.
CB: WHERE DID UH, WHERE DID YOU CAMP? IN THE VAN OR OUTSIDE?
GMH: YEAH, YEAH, I JUST, SHE HELPED ME OFF LOAD THE VAN. I JUST UNCHAINED, SHE WAS FREE AT, SHE WAS ONLY, ONLY SECURED WHILE WE WERE MOVING. SHE WAS NOT TIED UP. AND WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP I WOULD TIE A LONG LENGTH OF NYLON CORD AROUND HER ANKLES, QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AND THEN QUADRUPLE KNOTTED AT AN ANCHOR POINT IN THE VAN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT WOULD BE FIVE FEET LONG. THAT WAS SIMPLY TO KEEP HER FROM JUMPING UP AND TAKING OFF WHILE I WAS ASLEEP.
CB: (ANSWERS PHONE; DISCUSS DIRECTIONS) AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK, AFTER YOU TURN ONTO SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST, FIRST GATED ROAD TO YOUR LEFT, IS THAT CORRECT?
GMH: YEAH. NO, OFF DAWSON FOREST ROAD, UH, TURN UH, NORTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, FIRST GATED UH, ROAD TO YOUR LEFT. IT'LL BE DESIGNATED AS A UH, EQUESTRIAN, HIKER, BIKER TRAIL, AND JUST NORTH OF THAT ROAD TO THE LEFT WILL BE A SIGN ON EACH SIDE OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES ALLOWED BEYOND THIS POINT.
CB: FIRST ROAD TO THE LEFT ON SHOAL CREEK, UH, DESIGNATED AS UH . . .
GMH: IT'S GATED.
CB: IT'S GATED, IT'S DESIGNATED AS EQUESTRIAN, HIKER . . .
GMH: BICYCLE TRAIL . . .
CB: UH, BICYCLE TRAIL . . .
GMH: AND ON . . .
CB: . . . IF YOU GO TOO FAR PAST IT IT'LL SAY NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT.
GMH: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
CB: ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
GMH: NORTHBOUND.
CB: THERE'S TWO SIDES . . . IS IT BEFORE YOU GET TO A LITTLE BRIDGE?
GMH: IT'S, THERE IS A BRIDGE BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER (UI) I, I . . .
CB: HE DOESN'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER. SAID THERE'S A BRIDGE (UI) CORRECT. CORRECT. AND IF YOU STAY ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND YOU SEE SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD THAT SAYS NO BICYCLES BEYOND THIS POINT YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR.
GMH: THE ROAD IS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT.
CB: IT'S IMMEDIATELY, IT'S IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THAT. (UI) ABOUT FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD, SOUTHBOUND FROM THERE, IT'LL BE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
GMH: NO, THAT'S WESTBOUND.
CB: OR WESTBOUND.
GMH: AND AT A, AT A POINT DUE SOUTH OF UH, DOUBLE BLAZES ON THE LEFT OR SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
CB: RIGHT. FIFTY, FIFTY YARDS DOWN THAT ROAD THERE'LL BE DOUBLE BLAZED UH, TRAIL MARKINGS . . .
GMH: ON A TREE.
CB: ON A TREE AND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND . . .
GMH: DUE SOUTH. FORTY YARDS.
CB: AND IT'LL BE SOUTH OF THAT. BE ON THE LEFT, ABOUT FORTY YARDS.
GMH: PILE OF BRUSH.
CB: PILE OF BRUSH.
GMH: IT'S A GENTLE, IT'S A GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE.
CB: GRADUAL DOWN HILL SLOPE . . .
GMH: IF, IF IT'S A STEEP EMBANKMENT THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR.
CB: ALRIGHT. YES.
GMH: SO. SHE WAS ONLY SECURED WHEN WE WERE IN MOTION AND SOMETIMES NOT EVEN THEN.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. WHEN, WHEN YOU GOT OUT YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD UH, NYLON . . .
GMH: SHE ONLY . . . NO, NO. THAT'S JUST WHEN I WENT TO SLEEP.
CB: OH, OKAY.
GMH: I'D SAY HONEY I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO TIE YOU LOOSELY UH, I JUST, NOT TO, NOT TO RESTRAIN HER BUT JUST TO KEEP HER FROM READILY JUMPING UP AND RUNNING OFF. IN OTHER WORDS JUST TAKE A HUNDRED POUND TEST NYLON LINE . . .
CB: UMM.
GMH: AND PUT IT AROUND ONE LENGTH OR ONE THICKNESS AROUND HER ANKLE AND THEN PUT ABOUT, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST, AND THEN PUT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT SQUARE KNOTS IN IT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND KNOT IT TIGHT. NOT HER, TIGHT ON HER. SO IN OTHER WORDS TO GET IT LOOSE YOU HAVE TO WORK AT IT A WHILE. IT WAS JUST SO SHE COULD, IT WOULD WAKE ME UP UH, IF SHE WAS LEAVING.
CB: AND YOU HAD THE OTHER END TIED WHERE?
GMH: TO A SEAT BELT ANCHOR.
CB: OKAY.,
GMH: THAT'S ALL. SHE WASN'T DOWN OR ANYTHING.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS JUST LOOSE AND, AND . . .
(UI)
GMH: OKAY. AND SO I, I HAVE UH, SO EACH DOG HAD A TWENTY DEGREE BAG. .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE GOT A FIFTEEN, OR SHE GOT A FIVE DEGREE BAG, AND I GOT A FIFTEEN DEGREE BAG, AND I GAVE HER THE AIR MATTRESS THAT DOESN'T LEAK AND I TOOK THE ONE THAT DOES LEAK (LAUGHS). AND UH, TO KEEP WARM. AND ALSO I RAN THE UH, VAN, IT WAS PRETTY COLD. IT WAS UH, PRETTY COLD THAT NIGHT. UH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN FIFTEEN (UI) FIFTEEN OUTSIDE. BUT SHE HELPED ME UNLOAD THE VAN. I INQUIRED ABOUT FOOD. NEITHER ONE OF US ATE ANYTHING. WE FEED THE DOG, I FED THE DOGS AND SO FORTH THEN SHE STILL CONVINCED ME THAT THE THING WAS GOING TO WORK.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I DETERMINED THE NEXT DAY THAT I WOULD GO TO CANTON.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND ONE REASON I HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION IS THAT I HAD A PERSON I KNEW THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, UH, PLAN B WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM HER AND SHE WAS IN THAT DIRECTION. I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY. I DON'T, I HAVE, I HAVE UH, I HAVE FORTY FIVE DOLLARS ON ME, AND AS SOON AS I HAD GOTTEN HER IN THE VAN UH, SHORTLY AFTER I ABDUCTED HER I STOPPED AND GOT GAS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AT THE GAS STATION ON ONE TWENTY NINE, NORTH OF BLOOD MOUNTAIN, ON THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS, UH, NO, I STOPPED AT BOOGER HOLLOW GAS STATION ON THE RIGHT BUT IT WAS NO GOOD. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE PULLS UP AT THE OTHER ISLAND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS YELL OUT AND THEY WOULD BE AWARE OF IT. SO I DIDN'T LIKE THE SITUATION. SO I CONTINUED ON TO THE NEXT GAS STATION ON THE LEFT OR WEST SIDE OF ONE TWENTY NINE, GOING TOWARDS BLAIR, BLAIRSVILLE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND SPEND THIRTY DOLLARS OF MY LAST FORTY FIVE DOLLARS IN GAS. SO . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO, I HAD NO GAS, NO MONEY. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ONE REASON I HEADED TO CANTON SO I COULD GO ON TO CARTERSVILLE IF NECESSARY AND TRY TO GET SOME MONEY.
CB: WHO IS THIS PERSON THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FROM AT UH . . .
GMH: THE PERSON I WAS CALLING FROM THE GAS STATION WHERE, IN UH, CUMMING, WHERE THE CLOTHES WERE FOUND. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CALL I WAS MAKING. SHE REFUSED ME.
CB: WHAT'S HER NAME?
GMH: SHAWN STEWART. I BELIEVE YOU WERE PROBABLY STANDING THERE AS I CALLED.
CB: OKAY. UH, DID YOU MAKE CONTACT WITH HER FROM CANTON?
GMH: YEAH. NO, NOT CANTON. UH, OH NO, NOT CANTON. I DIDN'T CALL HER UNTIL . . .
CB: YOU DIDN'T ATTEMPT UNTIL CUMMING.
GMH: RIGHT. UNTIL SEVERAL HOURS BEFORE I WAS ARRESTED
CB: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: BECAUSE I, I DIDN'T ATTEMPT IT UNTIL I STOPPED AT THAT GAS STATION. LET HER DOG OUT THERE. I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY, IT WAS FOR SEVERAL REASONS AND I . . .
CB: WELL THAT'S, THAT'S . . .
GMH: THAT'S (UI)
CB: YEAH, LET'S GET, LET'S GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. UH (UI)
GMH: SHERIFF IS ANYONE, COULD SOMEONE SPRING FOR ME A CUP OF COFFEE AT A DRIVE-IN SO I CAN KEEP GOING ON THIS THING HERE? I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT, CAN YOU DO IT? THERE'S MCDONALD'S.
CB: WELL LET'S JUST KEEP GOING FOR RIGHT NOW AND THEN . . .
GMH: OKAY.
CB: WE'LL GET YOU A CUP HERE IN A SECOND. OKAY?
(NOISE)
GMH: WE'RE GOING TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD AND MAKING A RIGHT (UI)
TD: YEAH, IT'S THE ONE UP AT THE OUTLETS.
UM: OKAY.
CB: YEAH, EXACTLY. AND WE'LL COME BACK DOWN AND GET YOU SOMETHING HERE IN JUST A SECOND. UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLOSE IN CASE THEY NEED US TO . . .
GMH: OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH, YOU GOT PEOPLE DOWN THERE.
CB: (UI)
GMH: RIGHT. I'M SORRY. YEAH. WE'LL GET, I KNOW, YOU, THEY, YOU, I UNDERSTAND AND WE'LL DO IT. WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
CB: OKAY. UH, AFTER, AFTER YOU GOT TO CANTON, WHAT DID YOU DO?
GMH: WELL, WE GOT UP THE NEXT MORNING AND I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON BECAUSE AGAIN I HAD A LIMITED RANGE NOW . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . SO I DETERMINED I'D GO TO CANTON TO TRY THE CARD AGAIN. (LAUGHS)
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: YEAH. SHE'S MAKING A BELIEVER OUT OF ME.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OH YEAH, YEAH. BUT SHE, I KNEW, BUT HEY, WHAT ELSE YOU GONNA DO?
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I KNEW SHE WAS LYING. I KNEW SHE HAD BEEN LYING. I KNEW SHE WASN'T GIVING ME THE STRAIGHT STORY. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT HEY . . .SO . . .
CB: (ANSWERS PHONE) HELLO. HEY. OKAY. OKAY IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE, IT'S GONNA BE A DOUBLE BLAZE.
GMH: DOUBLE BLAZE. ONE IS WHITE AND ONE'S KIND OF A, A DIFFERENT OTHER COLOR.
CB: OKAY. THE FIRST, THE FIRST UH, BLAZE IS ON A TELEPHONE POLE. THAT'S NOT GONNA BE IT, IS IT?
GMH: NO. IT'S ON A TREE.
CB: IT'S ON A TREE.
GMH: THEY'VE NOT GONE FAR ENOUGH THEN. BECAUSE A PHONE POLE WOULD BE BY THE ROAD.
CB: LIGHT BLUE ABOVE RED?
GMH: UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I, I THOUGHT THEY WERE TOGETHER. OR UH, SIDE BY SIDE. SIDE BY SIDE.
CB: OKAY. THERE'S A FENCE ON OUT THE ROAD?
GMH: ANOTHER WAY, THEY MAY BE ON THE WRONG DAMN ROAD THEN. UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE FIRST ROAD, BUT . . .IT MAY NOT BE THE FIRST . . .
CB: WE'RE AT DAWSONVILLE . . .
GMH: TELL 'EM . . .
CB: (UI) BIG INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE.
GMH: TELL 'EM WE'RE ABOUT . . .
CB: (UI)
GMH: WE'RE THIRTEEN MILES FROM THEM. IT'S TEN MILES FROM HERE TO UH, DAWSON FOREST . . .
CB: ALRIGHT, THEN. I'LL ASK. ALRIGHT. WILL DO. SEE YA. JUST TAKE US THERE. SHERIFF.
GMH: SO THE NEXT DAY I DETERMINED I WOULD GO TO CANTON. TRY IT AGAIN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND THEN PLANNED TO, TO GO ON PERHAPS TO CARTERSVILLE AND TRY TO (UI) SOME MONEY FROM SHAWN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, SHAWN AND I ARE NOT CLOSE FRIENDS. UH, WE, I'VE KNOWN HER FOR TWENTY FIVE YEARS BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY ESTRANGED, KNOWN HER HER WHOLE LIFE BUT (UI)
CB: WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, ONE THING (UI) AND I'M, I'M GONNA START PICKING UP THE PACE A LITTLE BIT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, HERE SHORTLY AND HE'S GONNA WANT (UI) BUT UH, WHAT UH, BANK DID YOU GO TO?
GMH: I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT BUT IT'S ON UH, MARIETTA HIGHWAY SOUTH OF CANTON.
CB: REGIONS BANK?
GMH: YEAH, I THINK IT IS REGIONS BANK. IT'S NEAR THE MOOSE FACILITY AND I PARKED AROUND ON MOOSE LODGE ROAD. UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MOOSE LODGE ROAD, MOOSE HOME ROAD (UI) IT'S (UI)
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: WE SAT OVER THERE (UI) REGIONS BANK. SHE SENT ME TO THAT ONE TWICE OR THREE TIMES. (LAUGHS)
CB: AND, AND, AND, OKAY . . . COULDN'T, COULDN'T GET MONEY THERE.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: AND WHAT HAPPENED THEN?
GMH: WENT TO DAWSON FOREST, UH, WHERE WE'RE UH, GOING NOW, BUT UH, NORTH ON SHOAL, ON UH, IN CAMP, ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD, JUST NORTH OF SHOAL CREEK. IN OTHER WORDS, UH, SEVERAL MILES UP THE ROAD FROM WHERE WE, UP SHOAL CREEK FROM WHERE WE'RE GOING NOW.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND CAMPED THERE, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE I, I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE STAYED TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING THE NEXT DAY. YEAH. WE WENT HIKING, YEAH. WE WENT HIKING. YEAH, WE SPENT TWO DAYS, TWO NIGHTS THERE. AND WE WERE AT, WE'RE ELEVEN DEGREES OUTSIDE AIR TEMPERATURE THERE. SO I HAD STOVES GOING, I HAD, YOU KNOW, STOVE USED AS A HEATER,…
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND I HAD THE, THE VAN GOING. UH, FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, TO KEEP WARM, AND WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE BECAUSE WE WENT HIKING ONE DAY, THE NEXT DAY. WE TOOK BOTH DOGS AND WENT HIKING ALONG, ALONG SHOAL CREEK.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE HAD A GOOD TIME.
CB: OKAY. HOW, HOW . . .
GMH: WE . . .
CB: HOW DID YOU KEEP HER FROM RUNNING OFF WHILE YOU WERE HIKING?
GMH: NO, NO, SHE'S, SHE'S, I, SHE'S NOT HAVING A BAD TIME . . .
CB: OH, I KNOW . . .
GMH: EVEN THOUGH SHE'S BEEN KIDNAPED . . . SHE'S NOT HAVING . . .
CB: I'M NOT, YEAH, I'M NOT SAYING SHE WAS HAVING A BAD TIME. WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING . . .
GMH: THERE'S NOWHERE FOR, OH, I TOLD HER I'D SHOOT HER ASS DOWN, I SAID WELL LISTEN HONEY. REMEMBER TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING ON ME AND THROUGH THE WOODS . . .
CB: UH HUH. DID YOU HAVE A WEAPON WITH YOU?
GMH: UH UH. NO, NO. I TOLD HER I HAD A GUN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OH, I SHOWED HER A BB GUN.
CB: OH, YOU SHOWED HER THE BB GUN.
GMH: SHOW, SHOWED HER ONE OF THOSE UH, DAISY XR15 BB GUNS THAT LOOKS LIKE A COLT COMBAT COMMANDER. SO . . . I HAD THREE OF THEM.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I HAD SHOWED HER THE GUN, BUT ONLY SHE SAID, NO, DON'T SHOW ME THE GUN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE A GUN. SO ONE TIME AND THAT WAS IT. NO I TOLD HER REMEMBER TWO THINGS. ONE IS YOU BUST OUT THROUGH THE WOODS THE PURSUER HAS THE ADVANTAGE (UI) IF YOU BUST OUT RUNNING DOWN THE ROAD OR ANYWHERE ELSE I'LL SHOOT YOU DOWN. AND I'M A GOOD SHOT LEFT OR RIGHT HANDED. (UI) AND UH, YEAH, THAT WAS IT. UH, SHE WAS NOT HAVING A BAD TIME AT ALL AND ENJOYING HERSELF ON THE HIKE. I COULD TELL THAT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: COMMENTING HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS WE HIKED FOR SEVERAL HOURS
CB: OKAY.
GMH: ALONG SHOAL CREEK. PART OF IT WAS ON AN EQUESTRIAN TRAIL AND PART OF IT WAS CROSS COUNTRY.
CB: WHAT IF YOU HAD SEEN, CAME UPON SOMEBODY? HAD, DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WHAT WAS YOU GONNA DO? HAD YOU TOLD HER NOT TO SAY ANYTHING?
GMH: YEAH. I SAID IF WE COME UPON SOMEONE DON'T DO ANYTHING OR I'M GONNA SHOOT, START SHOOTING EVERYBODY. UNLESS IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT. I TOLD HER . . .I WON'T SHOOT IT OUT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT 'CAUSE I WON'T WIN. BUT I SAID IF IT'S ANYONE ELSE, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: NO, SHE NEVER MADE ANY ATTEMPT.
CB: DID YOU, DID YOU COME UPON ANYBODY ON THE TRAIL?
GMH: NO. HELL, IT WAS ELEVEN, NO, I DIDN'T (UI)
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, WE HIKED UH, FOR SEVERAL HOURS THAT DAY. WITH THE DOGS. THE DOGS WERE LOOSE, SHE WAS LOOSE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME. AND COMMENTING ON HOW BEAUTIFUL IT WAS. AGAIN, SHE WASN'T HAVING A GOOD TIME
CB: YEAH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
GMH: UH, SHE WASN'T IN UH, MENTAL DISTRESS OTHER THAN ANY KIND OF (UI)
CB: SO THIS WAS . . .
GMH: I, I, I WAS SOLICITOUS OF HER, OF HER, OF HER COMFORT AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE.
CB: THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE THIRD. THE SECOND WAS THE DAY YOU WERE IN CANTON. AND . . .
GMH: THEN THE THIRD . . .
CB: YOU WENT HIKING FOR SEVERAL HOURS
GMH: AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHY THAT I DIDN'T TRY TO RUN THE CARDS OR DO THE END RESULT.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: I'M NOT NOT REALLY SURE.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .
GMH: AND THEN THE NEXT DAY UH, WE GOT UP AND I TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME. I'LL MOVE THIS ALONG AS YOU SAY. THE NEXT DAY WE GOT UP, TOLD HER SHE WAS GOING HOME I TOLD HER THAT I HAD HER CELL PHONE AND I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. WHICH YOU HAVE THAT BAG FULL OF STUFF. UH, I UH, SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HER CELL PHONE. SHE . . .
CB: SHERIFF WHAT KIND OF PHONE CHARGER DO YOU HAVE?
SS: YOU HAVE VERIZON?
CB: YEAH. IS IT A MOTOROLA?
SS: (UI)
CB: OKAY. NEVER MIND. THAT'S ALRIGHT.
SS: YOU NEED TO USE MY PHONE.
CB: NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
(UI)
TD: IS THIS, IS THIS HIGHWAY NINE RIGHT HERE . . .
GMH: UH, WE'RE GONNA GO STRAIGHT ACROSS.
TD: STRAIGHT ACROSS. RIGHT.
GMH: NOW WE'RE GONNA . . .
SS: GOING TO THE (UI)
GMH: WE WILL BE IN ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED YARDS.
SS: OKAY.
GMH: SEE A FIRE STATION AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ON YOUR RIGHT.
SS: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE. WE'RE GETTING WITHIN A MILE OR SO TO SHOAL CREEK.
TD: WHICH WAY FROM HERE?
GMH: STRAIGHT ON.
TD: RIGHT.
GMH: AND WE'RE ABOUT A MILE FROM SHOAL CREEK.
CB: OKAY. YOU TOLD HER YOU, SHE WAS GOING HOME THE NEXT DAY AND YOU HAD HER STUFF BAGGED UP . . .
GMH: GOING HOME AND UH, I SAID I'M GIVING YOU ALL YOUR STUFF BACK. I HAD ALL HER STUFF BAGGED UP TOGETHER. I MADE A POINT OF SHOWING HER AS WE, SHE HELP, SHE ALWAYS HELPED ME LOAD AND UNLOAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE MY HAND WAS MESSED UP.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO, SHE WAS . . . SO . . .
CB: THAT'S NOT MEDIA IS IT?
UM: NO.
CB: WELL HOW IN THE HELL DID THEY . . .
GMH: OH, MAN. JESUS CHRIST. (UI)
SS: YOU WANT MY BOYS TO TAKE CARE OF IT?
CB: YEAH.
(BEEP)
SS: WHAT CAN WE TELL'EM, TELL 'EM TO GET OUT OF HERE?
CB: TELL 'EM THEY NEED TO LEAVE.
(UI, NOISE)
GMH: THAT'S THEIR JOB.
(UI)
CB: JOHN YOU GOT MEDIA TRUCKS OUT HERE JUST LETTING, YOU KNOW, I GOT UNION COUNTY EVACUATING THEM, UH, SHADOW CAR WE HAD. BUT UH, CALL ME BACK. WE'RE COMING INTO YOU.
GMH: OKAY. UH, AND, SO, SHE WOULD ALWAYS HELP ME UNPACK AND PACK AND SITUATE AND . . .
CB: YOU TELL ME IF WE SEE 'EM NOW 'CAUSE I'M GONNA CUT THIS LIGHT OFF AGAIN.
GMH: AND, SO IN OTHER WORDS, CONSISTENT WITH BEING KIDNAPED, SHE WAS HAVING A GOOD TIME (LAUGHS) . . .
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . .I WOULDN'T SAY SHE'S ENJOYING IT, BUT SHE WAS . . .
CB: WELL . . .
GMH: . . . HEY, SHE WAS INTO IT. IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE.
CB: WHAT I'M ASKING UH . . .
GMH: SHE WAS AT EASE. AT EASE. TOTALLY AT EASE. (UI)
CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, DID YOU GUYS LEAVE THE SITE YOU WERE CAMPING AT AT THAT POINT OR DID YOU KILL HER BEFORE THAT?
GMH: NO, NO. OKAY. NO WE, PACKING UP AND TELLING HER, I'M TAKING HER, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . I WAS, I'M GONNA RELEASE HER AND SHOW HER HOW I MADE, SHOW HER I WAS PUTTING ALL HER STUFF TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING. PUT HER STUFF TOGETHER. SHE SAID TO ME ABOUT HER CELL PHONE SHE'S GOT ALL HER CONTACTS IN THERE. PUT HER CELL PHONE IN THERE. YEAH, SURE, I HAD JUST TAKEN OUT THE BATTERY. AND UH, AND EVERYTHING. AND I COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD BECAUSE A, WE WERE CAMPED RIGHT AT THE FORD OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD AND SHOAL CREEK.
CB: CALL THEM AND TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND STAY OFF.
SS: DO WHAT NOW?
CB: TELL, TELL THEM TO PULL AROUND BEHIND US AND (UI) KEEP THESE GUYS OFF OF US. (NOISE) IF THEY TRY TO COME BACK BY HERE Y'ALL STOP 'EM FOR ME. OKAY? ALRIGHT.
GMH: AND UH, WE JUST COULDN'T GO SOUTH ON SHOAL CREEK ROAD. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE I WAS GONNA GO ANYWAY. BUT, SO A BIG TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, A LAWN CARE TANK TRUCK WHO WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER OUT OF THE SHOAL CREEK AND EVERYTHING GOT HIMSELF STUCK CROSSWAYS OF THE ROAD. WE WENT NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD TO HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE RIGHT OR EAST ON (UI)
CB: HOLD ON, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. OKAY?
(NOISE)
GMH: OKAY. SHOAL CREEK ROAD.
SS: HEY, HOW YOU DOING?
UF: GOOD. HOW ARE YOU?
SS: DOING GOOD.
UF: THEY'RE ALL DOWN THERE.
SS: DOWN TO THE RIGHT?
UF: TO THE RIGHT.
SS: (UI) I'VE GOT A, I'VE GOT A SUBURBAN TRYING TO KEEP SOME HEAT OFF OF IT BACK THERE . . .
UF: THANK YOU.
SS: . . . IF ANYBODY (UI) THANK YOU, MA'AM.
UF: YEAH.
CB: OKAY. SO . . .
GMH: OKAY. SO (UI) GOT THE ROAD BLOCKED ANYWAY AND HE SAID HE WAS CALLING NINE ONE ONE, THE DRIVER, HE HAD GOT HIMSELF, HE WAS DOWN THERE UNLAWFULLY DRAWING WATER, WASHING EQUIPMENT OFF, PESTICIDES, THAT KIND OF THING, FERTILIZER
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OUT OF THE FORD, JUST 'CAUSE THE ROAD WAS A CONCRETE ROAD. ANYWAY, WE HEADED NORTH OUT OF SHOAL CREEK ROAD, HIGHWAY FIFTY THREE, RIGHT, EAST ON FIFTY THREE, TO UH, HIGHWAY NINE, RIGHT, SOUTH ON HIGHWAY NINE TO DAWSON FOREST ROAD HERE. HERE NORTH, UH, UP TO THAT POINT, TOOK HER INTO THE FOREST, TOLD HER I WAS GETTING HER STUFF TOGETHER, I HAD TO GET THE TRUCK, 'CAUSE I, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING IN WHEN THAT GUY . . .
CB: ALRIGHT, SLOW DOWN. SLOW DOWN.
GMH: (UI)
CB: YOU CAME, YOU CAME HERE . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: AND YOU, YOU GOT HER OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE VEHICLE.
GMH: YEAH, BECAUSE I TOLD HER LISTEN, THE GUY'S STUCK DOWN THERE, SHE WAS LOOSE THE WHOLE, SHE WAS EVEN LOOSE DRIVING DOWN HERE, MAN. OKAY?
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH . . .
CB: DID SHE RIDE UP . . .
GMH: I'M KEEPING A HEADS UP . . .
CB: DID SHE RIDE UP FRONT?
GMH: NO, NO, JUST LAID DOWN IN THE BACK AND RELAXED, YOU KNOW.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: I, I ALWAYS, SHE WAS ALWAYS AT EASE AFTER THAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND . . . SO UH, TO HERE, NORTH UP THERE, WE HAD JUST THROWN EVERYTHING AND I SAID HEY, HEY HON, UH, STRAIGHT ON.
CB: IS THIS IT?
GMH: NO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT GOOFED UP. THIS IS NOT IT. IT'S, I TOLD YOU THE FIRST ROAD, KEEP ON GOING. THAT'S WHY THEY MET, I WASN'T COUNTING THAT ROAD. WE, WE GOT TO GO ON. THAT'S WHY THEY COULDN'T FIND IT.
CB: ALRIGHT, HOLD ON.
GMH: TELL 'EM . . .
CB: HOLD ON. HOLD ON. HOLD ON. (PAUSE) LET'S WAIT ON THEM. ALRIGHT?
SS: I NEED TO TINKLE ANYWAY. (UI)
GMH: UH, SO DO I. WELL, WE, I'LL WAIT TILL WE GET OUT THERE OR WHATEVER.
(DOOR CLOSES)
(PAUSE, NOISE)
CB: ALRIGHT. SO . . .
GMH: OH, AT ANY RATE, YEAH . . .
CB: CAME TO, CAME TO THIS LOCATION.
GMH: BUT JUST REAL QUICK BACK UP. WHEN THAT THING GOT STUCK I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW. THE, THAT GUY'S STUCK, THE LAW'S COMING, HE'S CALLED, MAN, WE JUMPED . . . SHE HELPED ME. I MEAN, SHE JUMPED RIGHT INTO. WE JUST GRABBED EVERYTHING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO, WE JUST HAD PILES OF STUFF IN THE VAN, JUST EVERYTHING WE HAD THROWN IN THE VAN AND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . PILED UP. SHE JUMPED IN AND WE TOOK OFF. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED MAN. YOU KNOW.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: DROVE TO HERE, I SAID HEY, I GOTTA GET THIS STUFF ARRANGED. WE'RE GONNA LET YOU GO, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, I'VE GOTTA MOVE YOU OFF HERE, THE LAW'S ALL OVER THE PLACE AND EVERYTHING. DROVE DOWN HERE, PARKED, I, I WALKED HER INTO THE WOODS, GOT, GOT UH, TWO SLEEPING BAGS. I GOT AN AIR, I GOT A MATTRESS FOR HER TO SIT ON, TWO BAGS TO PUT OVER HER. A LENGTH OF CHAIN. TOOK HER DOWN TO THE, THE LOCATION WHERE SHE WAS KILLED. SECURED HER TO A TREE. WALKED BACK TO THE VAN. I'M STAGGERING AROUND BY NOW. YOU KNOW. I AM JUST, I HAVE HAD IT. I CAN'T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT. I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST STAGGERING, YOU KNOW.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: (UI) I'M JUST STAGGERING. MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: WENT, KINDA GOT MYSELF TOGETHER, MADE SOME COFFEE AND EVERYTHING. GOT AN IRON BAR, A JACK HANDLE, WALKED BACK, TOLD HER IT, OKAY . . . AND UH, AT THAT POINT SHE WAS, SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK (UI, LAUGHS) YOU GLAD TO SEE ME AND SHE SAID I WAS AFRAID YOU WEREN'T COMING BACK. I GAVE HER A BOOK TO READ AND UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THERE. AND I WALKED UP AND MADE AS IF TO UH, UNSECURE THE CHAIN, UH, STRUCK HER WITH THE BAR UH . . .
CB: WHAT, WHAT, WHAT BAR?
GMH: IT, IT WAS A, A JACK HANDLE. UH, A, JUST A STRAIGHT JACK HANDLE. THE SOLID IRON, IRON BAR. UH, STRUCK HER WITH THAT. UH, SHE SAID NO, LET ME GO. PUT HER HANDS UP, UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER AND SHE, YOU'LL SEE SOME DEFENSIVE WOUNDS TO HER HANDS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SHE LOST CONSCIOUSNESS AND UH, I KEPT STRIKING HER TO ENSURE SHE WAS DEAD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, THEN UH, I UNSECURED HER UH, REMOVED HER CLOTHING TO, FOR FORENSIC EVIDENCE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S, WELL ACTUALLY THE, THE BLUE JACKET YOU HAVE UH, THAT'S SOAKED WITH HER BLOOD . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THAT'S MINE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THE, THE PILE PULLOVER, THE FLEECE PULLOVER THAT'S SOAKED WITH BLOOD . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THAT'S MINE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, THE PANTS UH, PILE PANTS THAT SHE WO, SHE HAD A PAIR OF SWEATPANTS ON BUT SHE HAD A PILE OF, A PAIR OF PILE PANTS ON...
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OR OVER THAT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THAT'S MINE. UH, SHE WAS WEARING A LOT OF MY CLOTHES 'CAUSE I KEPT HER DRESSED WARMLY.
CB: UH HUH. RIGHT.
GMH: THAT'S ALL MINE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, SO REMOVED THAT CLOTHE, UH, CLOTHING UH, AND UH, AT THAT TIME REMOVED THE HEAD. AGAIN . . .
CB: UH, LET ME ASK YOU, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, YOU HIT HER WITH THE BAR THAT YOU HAD . . .
GMH: YES.
CB: WHICH IS, WHICH IS LIKE A TIRE IRON OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE?
GMH: IT'S, IT BELONGS TO THE JACK WHICH COMES WITH AN ASTRO.
CB: I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. COMES WITH . . .
GMH: IT'S A STRAIGHT, IT'S STRAIGHT . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, ONE END IS A LUG WRENCH . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THING . . .
CB: . . . AND WHERE IS IT AT?
GMH: IT'S, IT'S LAYING ON THE GRASS AT THE GAS STATION IN CUMMING, BUT, WHERE MY VAN WAS PARKED.
CB: IT'S IN THE GRASS . . .
GMH: LAYING ON THE GRASS BY THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . NEAR THE DUMPSTER WHERE I WAS PARKED WHEN I WAS PUTTING IT IN THE DUMPSTER . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . AND MAKING THE PHONE CALL. I JUST TOOK THAT TIRE IRON AND PLACED IT ON THE GRASS.
CB: ON THE GRASS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. CARRY ON ABOUT UH, BASICALLY REMOVING . . .
GMH: OKAY. RE, REMOVED HER HEAD . . .
CB: REMOVED THE HEAD.
GMH: WITH A UH, SERRATED KNIFE, WHICH YOU PROBABLY HAVE IN THE DUMPSTER, I THINK IT'S THERE . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . UH . . . AND UH . . . AND UH . . .
CB: A SE, A SERRATED KNIFE?
GMH: YEAH. LIKE A BUTCHER KNIFE OR A KIT, A KIT, A KITCHEN KNIFE. A LONG . . .
CB: AND, AND THAT WAS IN THE DUMPSTER AS WELL.
GMH: I BELIEVE SO. I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH (UI) THAT . . .
CB: CAN YOU, CAN YOU, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT FOR ME? IS IT A FOLDING KNIFE? IS IT . . .
GMH: NO, IT IS A KITCHEN KNIFE JUST LIKE IT WOULD COME IN A SET OF SERRATED KNIVES. UH, ONE SIDED, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE SHARPENED EDGE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IT'S JUST YOUR STANDARD, GENERIC, CHEAP, TWELVE INCH, YOU WOULD CALL IT A BUTCHER KNIFE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: I GUESS YOU WOULD.
CB: WAS THAT, WAS THAT, I MEAN, IS THAT DIFFICULT TO DO, TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S HEAD OFF? I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT DONE, I MEAN, IS IT, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT ASKING . . .
GMH: WELL . . .
CB: . . . FOR MY, I, I . . .
GMH: . . . I, I UNDERSTAND.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND IT UH, DIDN'T SEEM REAL, IT DOESN'T SEEM REAL, LOOKING BACK ON IT.
CB: I CAN'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE, I CAN'T IMAGINE A KITCHEN KNIFE BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
GMH: THIS IS A, A KNIFE WITH A BLADE THIS LONG . . .
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: THAT'S SERRATED. AND SO IT'S A SAW.
CB: OH, OKAY. I GOTCHA, I GOTCHA.
GMH: IT'S JUST SAWING. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS KEEP SAWING, SAWING . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: . . . SAWING . . .
CB: I GOTCHA.
GMH: . . . SAWING, SAWING. AND THEN GET THROUGH THE JOINT. IT'S JUST LIKE YOU WOULD, THAT'S WHAT IT'S MADE FOR IN THE KITCHEN.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TO CUT UP MEAT.
CB: RIGHT. OKAY.
GMH: WHAT YOU WOULD USE TO, IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER THAN YOU WOULD USE TO CUT A CHICKEN UP.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: BUT YOU'D CUT UP, UH, LEG OF LAMB OR ANYTHING ELSE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: JUST A, GOT, IT'S, THE BLADE IS STRAIGHT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT COMES TO A POINT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, AND ONE SIDE IS SHARP AND THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT'S A HANDLE WITH NO HILT ON IT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND IT'S JUST THAT KIND OF STANDARD KNIFE. A KITCHEN . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD GET A SET OF THESE KNIVES WITH ONE BLADE THIS LONG, AND YOU'D HAVE A PARING KNIFE THAT LONG . . .
CB: I, I . . .
GMH: THEN YOU HAVE A BLADE THAT LONG AND IT WAS . . .
CB: I KNOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU . . .
GMH: . . . ONE WITH A BLADE THAT LONG.
CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
GMH: SIMPLE AS CAN BE.
CB: I KNOW WHAT YOU . . . YEAH.
GMH: JUST A CHEAP KNIFE.
CB: YEAH. I'M, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: UH, AND YOU, AND YOU THREW THAT INTO THE DUMPSTER IN CUMMING, I, I BELIEVE YOU SAID? OR . . .
GMH: I, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT ENDED UP.
CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. THERE WAS A SHEATH TO A BAYONET IN, IN . . .
GMH: THAT WAS THE BAYONET THAT I LOST CONTROL OF AND THAT, THAT . . .
CB: AND IT SHOULD STILL BE ON THE MOUNTAIN.
GMH: IT SHOULD BE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I WENT IN AND LOOKED FOR IT, BUT I, I, I, APPARENTLY IT WAS COVERED BY LEAVES . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . AND, AND I BRUSHED AROUND THE LEAVES, BUT I COULDN'T SPEND MUCH TIME NOW BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE IS GONNA COME ALONG AT ANY MINUTE. YOU KNOW.
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: SO THAT BAYONET IS PROBABLY STILL UP THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OKAY? BUT THAT'S THE BAYONET THAT, I DROPPED 'EM BOTH. I DROPPED BOTH THE BAYONET AND THAT, THE BAT. I WAS NOT FUNCTIONING WELL.
CB: OKAY. UH, AND, DID YOU CONCEAL HER HEAD IN ANYTHING, OR DID YOU UH . . .
GMH: NO. I BAGGED HER HEAD. .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IN A WHITE BAG AND TOOK IT WITH ME.
CB: TRASH BAG?
GMH: WHITE TRASH BAG.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: TOOK THAT AND THE TWO SLEEPING BAGS SHE WAS USING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . AND THE MATTRESS AND THE BOOK SHE WAS READING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: BACK TO THE VAN, DROVE UP A HALF A MILE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO THE NEXT PLACE WE'LL BE GOING.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND TOOK SOME OF HER BLOODY CLOTHES, SOME OF HER CLOTHES . . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH, ACTUALLY THE CLOTHES THAT I DISCARDED WERE HER CLOTHES. THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE LOCATION OF THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . .
CB: BLOW, BLOW THE HORN A COUPLE OF TIMES, SHERIFF.
(HORN BLOWS)
GMH: THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED AT THE HEAD WERE HER CLOTHES . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND THE BLOODY CLOTHES I DISCARDED IN THE DUMPSTER WERE MY CLOTHES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THAT I WANTED TO KEEP AND WASH BECAUSE THEY ARE NICE CLOTHES.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. I STILL DIDN'T (UI)
CB: THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER THING I, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT KINDA PUZZLED ME. BUT I'LL GET, I'LL GET TO THAT. YOU BASICALLY TOOK THE HEAD ON TO THE OTHER, THE SECOND LOCATION.
GMH: RIGHT. FOUND, PUT IT UP AGAINST A, A LOG . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: PULLED THE BAG OFF OF IT . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: COVERED IT UP.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: TOOK HER BLOODY CLOTHES . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: WHICH WERE ALSO IN A SEPARATE, WHICH WERE IN A SEPARATE WHITE BAG . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: TOOK 'EM TWENTY FEET WEST . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND COVERED THOSE UP.
CB: OKAY. SO THEY'RE TWENTY FEET WEST OF THE . . .
GMH: YEAH, YEAH.
CB: HEAD.
GMH: AND I TOOK THEM OUT OF THE WHITE BAG.
CB: OKAY. LET ME ASK . . .
GMH: AND I THINK I LEFT THE WHITE BAGS ALSO THERE COVERED UP.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPOSE EVERY, EVERYTHING TO THE ELEMENTS.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: RATHER THAN KEEP 'EM BAGGED.
CB: RIGHT. WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, YOU, YOU SAID YOU TOOK HER CLOTHES OFF, UH, AT THAT POINT . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: DID YOU TAKE EVERYTHING FROM HER? DID YOU TAKE HER UNDERWEAR AND EVERYTHING OR JUST UH . . .
GMH: I TOOK EVERYTHING, HER UNDERWEAR, AND EVERYTHING EXCEPT HER NAVEL RING. HER NAVEL PIERCING RING.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: UH, THAT WAS TO REMOVE ANY, YOU KNOW, CLOTHING THAT SOAKS UP FIBERS . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: LIKE, LIKE A FLASH. I UH, THE BLEACH . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I POURED LIQUID BLEACH ALL OVER HER . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . TO ANY DNA. AND I KNEW, I KNEW BLEACH WOULD NOT DESTROY FIBERS . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: BUT I, THAT ANY DNA SHE MAY HAVE PICKED UP FROM MY CLOTHES, SHE'D BEEN WEARING MY CLOTHES FOR NOW WHAT, THREE DAYS. . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OR SOMETHING AND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I POURED LIQUID BLEACH OVER HER AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT TO, DONE TO PRECLUDE IDENTIFICATION . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OR FOR ANY OTHER REASON . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, OTHER THAN AT THAT TIME I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I'D EVEN BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH HER. SO UH, AND I, I FELT, I KNEW THE BODY WOULD BE FOUND SOONER OR LATER, THESE BODIES, THE BODY IN HERE SOONER OR LATER IS GONNA COME TO LIGHT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT IS. AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST BODY THAT'S BEEN DISCARDED HERE.
SS: DID YOU TALK TO JOHN?
CB: NO, I CAN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM.
SS: (UI) SHOW HIM WHERE THE . . .
CB: WHERE'S HE AT?
SS: HEAD WAS. (UI)
JC: I'LL FOLLOW YOU.
SS: OKAY.
CB: (UI) HEY.
SS: JOHN.
CB: WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING TO?
SS: THEY GOT THE BODY.
JC: GO WHERE THE HEAD IS. WE FOUND THE BODY.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. TAKE US TO WHERE THE HEAD IS. OKAY?
(NOISE)
GMH: THEN I LEFT, HEADED UH, SOUTH TO THAT GAS STATION WHERE I MADE THE CALL TO TRY TO GET SOME MONEY. I'M DOWN TO, I THINK IT WAS EIGHTEEN DOLLARS . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND I'M GETTING LOW ON GLASS, GAS.
CB: THIS WAS IN CUMMING?
GMH: YEAH. THAT GAS STATION. I TOOK HER DOG WITH ME AND I FOUND A LOCATION WHERE I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY.
CB: WELL LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, I KNOW THAT YOU MADE A PHONE CALL FROM MARBLE HILL ALSO. AT ONE POINT.
GMH: YOU MEAN UH, FROM A HUDDLE HOUSE?
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THAT WAS TO MY EMPLOYER JOHN TABER TO GET TO UH, BEG MY OLD JOB BACK.
CB: RIGHT. AND WAS SHE . . .
GMH: I'VE HAD . . .
CB: . . . ALREADY DEAD AT THAT POINT? OR . . .
GMH: NO.
CB: OKAY. SO WHAT DAY WAS THAT ON? WAS THAT THE DAY YOU GUYS WENT HIKING, WAS IT THE DAY AFTER YOU WENT HIKING?
GMH: THAT WAS THE DAY WE WENT HIKING. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS THERE.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OKAY. I SAID WE'LL GO HIKING AND THEN WE'LL . . .
SS: I'M SORRY. THEY WANT TO ASK A QUESTION . . .
CB: TELL, YEAH, I'M SORRY . . .
GMH: NO, WE GOT . . .
SS: WHERE THE BODY IS . . .
GMH: THAT'S THE BODY. AND, AND WE'RE GOING UP TO THE, THE UH, A ROAD ON THE TOP OF A RIDGE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: IT MAY BE THE SECOND GATED ROAD, I THINK IT'S THE SECOND GATED ROAD. THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. I TOLD HER THAT NIGHT WE WOULD GO, BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY TRIED CAMPING, THE CARDS WEREN'T RUNNING. I SAID I'M FINISHED WITH THESE CARDS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I'M GONNA GO GET SOME MONEY FROM A FRIEND, ONCE I GET THAT MONEY IN MY POCKET, SOME RUNNING MONEY, I'M GONNA LET YOU GO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SO WE WENT HIKING THAT DAY. AND THEN WE HEADED OSTENSIBLY TO GET SOME MONEY FROM MY FRIEND.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I STOPPED AT THAT CAR, THAT, THAT PHONE IN A HUDDLE HOUSE OR WAFFLE HOUSE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: CALLED MY, NO, SHE WAS IN THE VAN.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: SHE WAS IN THE VAN, LOOSELY SECURED.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: JUST AGAIN AT THE UH . . .
CB: KEEP ON GOING, KEEP GOING (UI) NOW YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T . . .
GMH: OH NO, I'M GONNA TELL YOU. YOU CAN'T MISS IT.
CB: . . . WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT . . .
GMH: NO, JUST GO ON UP THE, THE ROAD'S GONNA BE TO YOUR LEFT AT THE TOP OF A RIDGE AND WHEN YOU START GOING DOWN HILL YOU WILL HAVE GONE TOO FAR. SO . . .WE, WE HAVEN'T CROSSED A LITTLE BRIDGE YET, HAVE WE? SO I THINK, WE CAN, UH, ANYWAY, I'LL LET YOU KNOW.
SS: YES, WE DID.
GMH: WE DID? OKAY.
(UI)
GMH: SO . . . NO, SHE WAS ALIVE AND IN THE VAN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE SPENT TWO NIGHTS. BECAUSE UH, I CALLED MY OLD BOSS UH, GOT (UI) BUT I HAD, NOW I HAD NOTHING, NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. YOU KNOW. I (UI)
CB: WHAT WAS YOUR PLANS? WERE YOU PLANNING ON LEAVING OR GETTING OUT OF TOWN OR . . .
GMH: WELL, UH, I DIDN'T UH, I DIDN'T KNOW. UH, I WAS GONNA, YOU KNOW, BUT ANYWAY, I CALLED HIM TO SEE ABOUT WORKING FOR HIM. I, I, I, OR GET, I WAS, WELL NO, I, I TOLD HIM I WANTED SOME MONEY. THAT'S RIGHT. AND I WANTED TO GO BACK TO WORK FOR HIM AND TO LEAVE ME SOME MONEY UH, AT HIS OFFICE, UH, WHERE I USED TO LIVE. . THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND UH, THAT'S THAT CALL. THEN I CAME BACK AND TOLD HER THAT I HAD GOT THE MONEY LINED UP BUT I COULDN'T GET IT TONIGHT AND WE'D GET IT TOMORROW. SO THAT'S WHY WE ENDED UP SPENDING TWO NIGHTS.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: AND UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
CB: ALRIGHT. AND, SO THE MORNING, THE DAY THAT YOU, THE DAY THAT YOU WERE DISCARDING THE CLOTHING THAT'S THE DAY SHE DIED. IS THAT ACCURATE . . .
GMH: YES, YES.
CB: OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND ABOUT WHAT TIME WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS?
GMH: MAN, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE A . . . UH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN UH, TWO HOURS BEFORE.
CB: IS IT GONNA BE THIS ROAD HERE?
GMH: UH KEEP ON GOING A LITTLE MORE SHERIFF, UH . . . WAIT . . . NOPE, NOPE, NOPE, NOPE. UH, NEXT. LET'S GO ON UP TO THE TOP . . . NO, THAT, THAT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT (LAUGHS) . . . I THOUGHT IT'S A POOR OLD CAMPER OUT HERE (UI) . . .THIS IS GOING UP TO THE, IT'LL BE THE TOP AND THE ROAD THEN WILL GO DOWN HILL TO THE LEFT. AFTER WE UH, AFTER WE PASS THAT ROAD. BUT WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER UH, RISE TO GO OVER. SHERIFF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS AND THEN DOWN AND UP AGAIN. SO JUST GO ON. UP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO OVER THE TOP OF THIS RIDGE AND THEN DOWN INTO A HOLLOW AND THEN UP AGAIN.
SS: UH HUH.
GMH: AND BY THE WAY. SHE WAS LAYING IN THE BACK UNSECURED WHEN I WAS HEADED THIS WAY. AND I TURNED AROUND RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT HERE I, I STOPPED HERE. I SAW A PICKUP UP THERE, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. BUT I STOPPED HERE, BACKED IN AND TURNED AROUND, TO THE KILL LOCATION. AND THERE WAS A PICKUP THERE AND AS HE DROVE BY AND I WAVED AT HIM. IT WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT.
CB: REALLY?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS THAT CLOSE. IT WAS THAT CLOSE. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED EITHER.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: WHICH IS, I TOLD HER JUMP IN THE VAN AND LET'S GO. SHE WASN'T EVEN SECURED THE WHOLE TRIP AROUND, MAN.
(COUGH)
CB: OKAY. THE UH . . . (PAUSE) . . . UH, I, I GOTTA ASK YOU THIS. WAS THERE ANY UH, SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN YOU TWO?
GMH: NO
CB: AND, AND KEEP IN MIND NOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIND OUT, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING YOU NOW IF IT, IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, WAS THERE ANY SEXUAL ACTIVITY BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU?
GMH: YES.
CB: THERE WAS?
GMH: YES. ONE TIME. FIRST NIGHT. I TOLD HER, HONEY, UH, IT WASN'T FORCIBLE, BUT OF COURSE IT WAS UNWANTED . . .
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: SO IT WAS RAPE. BUT IT WASN'T FORCIBLE.
CB: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: UH, AND I TOLD HER, HONEY, I TOLD YOU I WAS GONNA LET YOU GO...
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, YOU'VE RUN ME ALL OVER NORTH GEORGIA. MADE ME PUT A HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILES ON MY VAN. WE STILL DON'T, YOU LIED TO ME, YOU'VE RUN ME AROUND, GIVE ME SOME PUSSY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND SHE DID. I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN . . .
CB: RIGHT, RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW.
CB: I UNDERSTAND.
GMH: IT WAS. IT WAS UNWANTED. THIS IS IT UH, UP HERE. UH, HOLD IT. JUST KEEP GOING. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE JUST GOING TO, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS GONNA BE IT. THIS IS GONNA BE IT. SEE, IT'S DOWN HILL AND THEN THERE'S A (UI) TURN LEFT, GO UP, THERE'S A PARKING LOT TO THE RIGHT OF THE UH, GATE UP THERE. BY THE PARKING LOT. PARKING SPACE.
SS: HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE GATE?
GMH: AND YOU'LL GO UH, FROM THE GATE, OH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, PULL OVER HERE AND LEAVE ROOM FOR THESE GUYS . . . AND YOU SEE ALL THESE TREES LINING THE ROAD OR . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OKAY. WELL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GO DOWN, OH, I GUESS IT WOULD BE FORTY, FIFTY FEET, TO THE RIGHT. GO THROUGH THESE TREES. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUNCH OF, OF TREES ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. STEP OVER THESE TREES, GET DOWN MORE INTO WHERE IT'S CLEAR. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER TREE DOWN ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. THIS WAY.
CB: HOW FAR DOWN?
GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET.
(UI)
GMH: WALK THE ROAD. CUT RIGHT. YEAH, 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY THICK TO GET THROUGH. (UI)
JC: THIRTY YARDS?
CB: YOU WANT TO WALK HIM OUT THERE AND GET HIM TO SHOW YOU?
GMH: YOU WANT ME TO WALK OUT THERE?
JC: YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
CB: HE'S NOT CUFFED. HE'S NOT CUFFED.
SS: GOT LEG IRONS ON?
CB: YEAH, HE'S GOT LEG IRONS.
(NOISE, UI)
CB: (UI)
(NOISE)
CB: MR. HILTON.
GMH: HUH?
CB: AS WE WALK I'M GONNA ASK YOU A COUPLE MORE THINGS, OKAY? IF YOU DON'T MIND.
GMH: UM HUM, SURE
(NOISE, DOOR CLOSES)
GMH: I'M GONNA SECURE THESE GLASSES, THROW THESE GLASSES RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
CB: OKAY. I WILL REMEMBER THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE. OKAY?
GMH: OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: WRAP THAT BLANKET AROUND YOU. I KNOW YOU GET KINDA COLD. BUT REMEMBER YOU GOTTA SHUFFLE FEET NOW ON THOSE THINGS. ALRIGHT?
GMH: OKAY.
CB: UH, MR. HILTON, CAN I ASK YOU THIS RIGHT QUICK?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: YOU UH, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ONE SEXUAL ENCOUNTER.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WAS, WAS THAT THE ONLY ONE?
GMH: YEAH.
CB: THERE WASN'T ANYTHING POST-MORTEM, RIGHT?
GMH: NO.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OH, NO. AND UH, THAT WAS IT, UH, UH, AND IT WASN'T WORTH IT.
CB: ALRIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW US WHERE WE NEED TO TURN OFF INTO THE WOODS AND WE'LL CALL THAT IT.
(WALKING)
SS: WANT ME TO TURN THEM LIGHTS ON?
JC: YEAH.
GMH: YEAH.
GMH: LET ME UH, LET ME WALK UP HERE . . .
(NOISE, UI)
GMH: MAYBE I CAN GET, PUT YOUR LIGHT AND I'LL SEE IF I CAN GET UP THROUGH THERE . . .
CB: NO, THAT'S OKAY. YOU CAN JUST STAY RIGHT THERE. OKAY, MR. HILTON?
GMH: OKAY.
CB: LET US, LET THEM CHECK FIRST.
GMH: GO ON THROUGH, GET THROUGH UNTIL THE WOODS THIN OUT. AND THEN LOOK KINDA TO YOUR LEFT. YOU'LL SEE A LONG TREE TRUNK LAYING THERE. ALIGNED EAST AND WEST. OR ALIGNED WITH THE ROAD MORE OR LESS. AND THEN LOOK ALONG THE BACK SIDE OF IT TOWARDS THE WEST END. OR YOUR LEFT END.
(NOISE)
CB: HEY, JOHN.
JC: YEAH.
CB: REMEMBER THERE SHOULD BE SOME CLOTHING ABOUT, HOW FAR?
GMH: ABOUT TWENTY FEET UH, WEST OR . . .
CB: TWENTY FEET TO YOUR LEFT.
GMH: TO YOUR LEFT. AND . . .
CB: DOWN THAT WAY.
GMH: THEY ARE GONNA BE BURIED MORE OR LESS IN KIND OF A DEPRESSION IN THE GROUND, NOT BURIED, BUT COVERED WITH LEAVES . . .
CB: COVERED WITH LEAVES IN KIND OF A HOLE IN THE GROUND.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: ABOUT TWENTY FEET TO THE LEFT OF YOU.
GMH: IT'LL BE HER SWEAT CLOTHES, SWEATSHIRT, AND UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY WILL BE THE BLOODY WHITE BAGS THAT THE UH, ALL THE ITEMS HAD BEEN CONTAINED IN. I'M GONNA STEP OVER HERE AND TINKLE IF I MAY? MAY I?
CB: UH, NO. YOU MAY NOT. STEP RIGHT BACK UP HERE WITH ME AND WE WILL.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: WE ARE TECHNICALLY IN A . . .
GMH: OKAY, OKAY.
CB: A SECURE ENVIRONMENT. WE DON'T WANT YOU DOING IT RIGHT HERE. (LAUGHS)
GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN, UH, CONTAMINATING THE CRIME SCENE?
CB: WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MUCH ISSUE WITH IT NOW, BUT, WE'LL, WE'LL WALK RIGHT UP HERE AND LET YOU HANDLE THAT. OKAY?
GMH: OKAY. YOU MEAN TECHNICALLY IN AN UNSECURED ENVIRONMENT. NO. OKAY, OKAY. YOU TELL ME. IS IT OKAY?
CB: HOLD, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND. OKAY. WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA TALK TO THESE GENTLEMEN AND WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE WE NEED TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT? (NOISE)
UM: (UI)
GMH: YES. BUT THERE ARE TWO BLOODY WHITE BAGS NEARBY ALSO SEPARATELY COVERED UP. THERE'S NOTHING IN THEM, THEY JUST CONTAINED ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU'VE FOUND.
CB: THEY'RE JUST TWO WHITE TRASH BAGS HAVE SOME BLOOD ON THEM THAT USED TO CONTAIN THE CLOTHING.
GMH: AND THE HEAD.
CB: AND THE HEAD.
UM: TWO WHITE BAGS (UI)
GMH: ALTHOUGH I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHICH WAY THEY, THEY, THEY'RE AT. YOU KNOW. THEY WERE JUST . . . I DON'T REMEMBER (UI)
CB: JOHN. I'M GONNA ESCORT HIM BACK UP OUTSIDE THE FENCE AND LET HIM UH . . .
JC: STAND BY JUST A SECOND AND LET ME GET TO YOU.
CB: ALRIGHT.
(NOISE)
CB: I APOLOGIZE. WE ACTUALLY MOVED UPHILL FROM WHERE WE WERE.
GMH: YEAH. WELCOME TO CROSS COUNTRY.
CB: ALRIGHT.
JC: CLAY.
CB: YES SIR.
JC: (UI)
CB: ALRIGHT.
(NOISE)
JC: UH, I THINK WE CAN, I THINK WE CAN TRANSPORT HIM BACK.
CB: OKAY.
JC: WE FOUND . . .
CB: SHERIFF.
JC: DO YOU NEED TO (UI) I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, SOME KIND OF TOOL, A TIRE TOOL, SOMEWHERE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT IS?
CB: YES, I KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT. UH . . .
JC: DO Y'ALL THINK HE'S IN, DO THINK YOU NEED TO KEEP HIM HERE ANY LONGER?
CB: NO, AND, AND I WOULD ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF NEED BE COULD WE COME BACK AND, AND DISCUSS MAYBE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT'S POSSIBLY ABOUT UH, LOCATIONS ON THE TIRE TOOL IF WE DON'T FIND IT, THINGS LIKE THAT. JUST TO SURE UP THIS, THIS (UI).
GMH: I CAN CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU RIGHT THERE. GO TO THE GAS STATION.
CB: IN CUMMING.
GMH: IN CUMMING.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: GO TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: PULL UP.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH, WELL YOU BETTER, WRITE IT, GO TO THE SECOND PARKING SPACE NORTH . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, IN OTHER WORDS THERE'S ONE SPACE NEXT TO THE TIRE, THE AIR PRESSURE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEN THE SECOND PARKING, SECOND THIRD, SECOND OR THIRD PARKING SPACE NORTH . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OF THE AIR PRESSURE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: THEN EAST OF THAT IS A GRASS BORDER OR APRON WHICH GOES AROUND THE STATION.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S A FENCE, OR A IRON, UH, THERE'S A FENCE. . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: OF A TYPE THERE.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UH, AND IT WOULD BE, IF A VEHICLE WERE PARKED NOSE IN INTO THAT SPACE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT WOULD BE UH, UH, FIVE FEET FROM THE NOSE OF THAT VEHICLE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S AT THE VERY EDGE OF THE GAS STATION PROPERTY AND I BELIEVE THAT'S A DROP OFF FROM THERE . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: LIKE AN ABUTMENT OR SOMETHING.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT IF IT'S STILL THERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: YOU CAN'T MISS IT. JUST GO TO THE TIRE PRESSURE PLACE. GO TO THE THIRD SPACE NORTH OF IT . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEN IT, YOU, IF, IF YOU PARK A VEHICLE IN THAT SPACE THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU KNOW. YOU'VE GONE NORTH. AND THE NOSE WOULD BE POINTED EAST.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: THE GAS STATION IS BEHIND YOU. THE (UI) THE GAS STATION . . .
(BACKGROUND TALKING, RE MOVING A CAR)
CB: YES.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: OKAY. UH, I THINK . . .
GMH: AND THAT . . .
CB: . . . I GOT THE GIST OF IT.
GMH: OH, YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU . . .
CB: LET ME, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. UH, IF, IF WE DIDN'T FIND THE KNIFE IN THAT DUMPSTER WHERE WOULD IT BE?
GMH: I DON'T KNOW.
CB: OKAY. BUT YOU THINK YOU EITHER DISCARDED IT THERE OR THE ONE IN THE CAMP . . .
GMH: THAT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S PRETTY . . .
CB: . . . WHERE YOU WERE PARKED?
GMH: IT'S PRETTY MUCH BE, GOTTA BE THERE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OR, BUT . . .
CB: THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO DUMPSTERS THAT YOU DISCARDED ANYTHING IN.
GMH: RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, AND THAT THERE, THAT THERE. YEAH.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH. SO IT SHOULD BE IN THERE.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. GOOD ENOUGH.
GMH: YOU CAN'T . . .
CB: SHERIFF.
SS: ON MY WAY.
CB: ALRIGHT.
(NOISE, DOOR CLOSES)
SS: (UI) GONNA TRY TO COME (UI)
GMH: OH, THAT'S THE BEST WAY.
SS: OH, IS IT?
GMH: OH, YEAH. YEAH. LOOK, LOOK WHERE I PUT HER. YOU, YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE BEST WAY RIGHT THERE.
SS: WELL . . . UH . . .
(NOISE)
CB: I THINK HE GOT OUT ANYWAY.
(UI)
CB: WE MAY NEED TO GET THE TRUCK UP HERE OR SOMETHING. UH, MR. HILTON WE'LL LET YOU GO RIGHT UP HERE . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: AND UH, THEN SHERIFF WILL PROBABLY BE TRANSPORTING YOU BACK OR SOMEBODY WILL ANYWAY.
GMH: OKAY.
CB: UH, I ASSUME THAT Y'ALL WILL NOT HAVE ME ON THE RIDE BACK, BUT UH, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T TOLD ME THAT YOU THINK I NEED TO KNOW?
GMH: NO. ABSOLUTELY.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .
GMH: IF THERE'S ANY POINT IN YOUR MIND THAT IS UNCLEAR, ASK.
CB: WELL . . .
GMH: BUT I, YOU'VE GOT IT TIED UP. WE RUSHED A LITTLE AT THE END BUT IT WAS . . .
CB: I'M UH . . .
GMH: . . . (UI) YOU KNOW.
CB: WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M KINDA CURIOUS ABOUT THE CHAINS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE FLOOR OF YOUR VEHICLE.
GMH: YEAH.
CB: WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS INCIDENT? I MEAN, WAS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT YOU WERE PLANNING ON DOING THIS TIME OR . . .
NS: I THINK HE ANSWERED THAT. HE SAID HE WAS HAULING A GENERATOR.
CB: OH, OKAY.
NS: (UI)
GMH: WELL, I HAD TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT I LIKE TO SECURE. ONE IS THE GENERATOR INSIDE THE VAN AND A HAND TRUCK . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: A NEW SEVEN FOOT HAND TRUCK WHICH . . .
CB: RIGHT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, OBVIOUSLY DURING THIS INCIDENT THEY WEREN'T THERE.
GMH: NO THEY WEREN'T, BUT THEY HAVE STAYED . . .
CB: WHEN YOU BROUGHT THEM . . .
GMH: THEY HAVE STAYED IN THE VAN.
CB: RIGHT. SO, SO, THEY WEREN'T ATTACHED TO THE FRAME AT THAT POINT. WAS, WAS THAT THE CASE THAT YOU WANTED TO USE THOSE TO CHAIN HER TO IF YOU BROUGHT HER DOWN?
NS: I GUESS HE'S ASKING, AT THE POINT IN TIME THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE ALREADY . . .
CB: I THINK HE'S ASKING IF IT'S OKAY . .
GMH: NO. THEY, THEY WERE . . .
UM: IF THEY WERE ALREADY ATTACHED (UI)
GMH: . . . THEY WERE, THEY WERE LEFT THERE ATTACHED SO THE GENERATOR IS NORMALLY STORED BEHIND THE DRIVER'S SEAT.
CB: WELL, WELL THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
GMH: YEAH, YEAH.
CB: THEY OBVIOUSLY WEREN'T ATTACHED THIS TIME (UI)
GMH: OH, NO, THE GENERATOR WASN'T THERE BUT THE CHAIN WAS JUST LEFT IN PLACE. AND IT WAS REALLY CARRIED IN ERROR THAN UH, NORMALLY I WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE IT IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE GENERATOR WITH ME.
CB: OKAY. OKAY.
GMH: BUT IT WAS JUST, THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR JUNK THAT, JUST LIKE THE TRUNK OF YOUR CAR. YOU END UP WITH YOUR GOLF CLUBS IN THERE . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: YOU'RE NOT PLAYING GOLF . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND SO FORTH.
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH . . .
GMH: CAN I TINKLE OVER HERE SOMEWHERE?
CB: YEAH. LET'S GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
(UI)
CB: DO, DO WHAT? (UI, NOISE)
GMH: (UI) TRUCK JUST LIKE THAT THAT DROVE RIGHT PAST US UP THERE.
(UI)
CB: YEAH.
GMH: HE LOOKED RIGHT AT ME AND I WAVED AND SHE WAS JUST LAYING THERE.
CB: RIGHT HERE'S A DECENT SPOT.
GMH: OKAY. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
CB: NO, WE KNOW THAT.
GMH: (LAUGHS) LITTLE LATE FOR THAT NOW. NO THAT'S FINE. I DON'T NEED A LIGHT TO PEE. IT'S GONNA TAKE ME A LITTLE BIT.
UM: OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
GMH: I HAVE AN ENLARGED PROSTATE SO I CAN'T HOLD IT AND I CAN'T GO.
(PAUSE)
CB: I MAY HAVE TO BORROW YOUR CHARGER, SHERIFF. OH, WELL, ACTUALLY IT MAY BE MY CHARGER. WHERE'D YOU GET THAT CHARGER?
SS: THAT'S ONE I GOT TWO.
CB: OH, OKAY, OKAY.
SS: I GOT THREE (UI) HERE.
CB: YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
SS: WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME SWITCHING OUT (UI)
CB: DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE YOUR OTHER, DO YOU WANT YOUR OTHER GUYS TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK AND YOU HANG AROUND, OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT. UH, HE SHOULD BE READY TO GO BACK.
SS: DEATON AND ME. WE MAY HANG AROUND UP THERE. Y'ALL DON'T CARE.
CB: YEAH. NO, NO, NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT UH, I . . . WHO, WHO, WHOEVER YOU CAN GET TO TRANSPORT HIM BACK . . .
SS: (UI) THEY'S FOUR (UI)
CB: IS THEY ROOM FOR UH . . .
GMH: I DROPPED A UH . . .
CB: (UI)
GMH: I UH, I'M GONNA PICK THIS UP I DROPPED, DROPPED THAT RIGHT THERE (UI) Y'ALL THINK IT'S PART OF THE CRIME SCENE OR . . . THEY'LL BE ANALYZING THIS THING. YEAH. OKAY.
(NOISE)
CB: MR. HILTON, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU AND I'M GONNA DO IT IN FRONT OF YOUR ATTORNEY. I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK YOU ANYTHING WITHOUT HIM HERE. (NOISE) WAS THIS DIFFICULT FOR YOU AT ALL, TO, TO DO THIS? AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS . . .
GMH: I, I KNOW.
CB: AS FAR AS TAKE HER LIFE? WAS IT DIFFICULT AT ALL? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE FEELINGS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT IT . . .
GMH: YEAH.
CB: . . . OR WAS, YOU JUST NEEDED HER FOR A NECESSITY FOR YOU?
GMH: NO, NO, IT . . .
CB: IS THAT . . .
GMH: BUT, IT WAS LIKE AN, AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS SURREAL . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: OF COURSE IT'S SURREALISTIC.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: REMOVING A HEAD IS JUST UNREAL.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: UNREAL.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK BACK ON IT AND YOU SAY, THAT WASN'T EVEN REAL.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. I WAS JUST IN UH, YOU MIGHT SAY AN ALTERED STATE? I, I JUST DON'T KNOW. IT WAS HARD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS HARD.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: IT WAS HARD. I, YOU GOTTA REMEMBER WE HAD UH, SPENT SEVERAL GOOD DAYS TOGETHER ACTUALLY.
CB: RIGHT. RIGHT.
GMH: ACTUALLY SHE DID NOT HAVE A UNPLEASANT TIME . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: CONSISTENT WITH BEING . . .
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: KIDNAPED. NOT AN UNPLEASANT, SHE COOPERATED, WE, WE DID ALL THE CAMPING ACTIVITIES TOGETHER.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE, EVERY TIME WE WOULD LOAD AND UNLOAD SHE WOULD HELP ME LOAD AND UNLOAD.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: WHEN WE HAD TO SUDDENLY MOVE WHEN THAT UH, TANK TRUCK UH, GOT STUCK AND . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: . . . THE GUY SAID I'M CALLING NINE ONE ONE, I CAN'T GET SERVICE, I SAID HEY, HON, WE GOTTA GO. COME ON.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: JUST GRAB EVERYTHING. BOY SHE JUMPED RIGHT IN THERE WITH ME, THREW EVERYTHING IN.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SO WE WAS JUST, AND WE HAD THE DOGS AND, THE DOGS SLEPT THERE IN THE FRONT. HER DOG SLEPT IN MY . . .
CB: AND YOU ACTUALLY TURNED HER DOG LOOSE IN, IN CUMMING . . .
GMH: YEAH, YEAH I, I CHOSE THAT LOCATION BECAUSE UH, WELL NUMBER ONE THERE WAS A PIZ, IT WAS A BUSTLING AREA . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT WAS STILL EARLIER ENOUGH IN THE DAY, PLENTY OF PEOPLE. THERE WAS A PIZZA TO GO PLACE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND BEHIND IT WHERE I TURNED THE DOG LOOSE THE PIZZA DELIVERY BOYS WERE CONGREGATING . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: THEY HAD A PICNIC TABLE THERE. THEY WERE SMOKING CIGARETTES, AND I FELT AT THE VERY LEAST THE DOG WOULD WALK UP TO THEM AND SMELL THE PIZZA, THERE WAS THAT, IT WAS REALLY THAT KROGER, YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN TO THAT PLACE THERE . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND UH . . .
CB: I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
GMH: IT'S A BUSTLING, BUSTLING CENTER. YOU KNOW.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND I KNEW THAT THE DOG WOULD BE PICKED UP.
CB: YOU KNEW THE DOG (UI)
GMH: AND I, I ALSO, ALSO, ALSO KNEW THE DOG WAS MICROCHIPPED.
CB: HOW'D YOU KNOW THAT?
GMH: SHE TOLD ME.
CB: SHE TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS MICROCHIPPED?
GMH: YEAH. I UH, SHE TOLD ME . . .
CB: DID YOU ASK HER IF IT WAS GPS'D OR . . .OR IF IT WAS UH, JUST SO THAT THEY WOULD KNOW WHOSE IT WAS OR . . .
GMH: NO, I ASKED HER HOW SHE, WE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: UH, ABOUT EVERYTHING. HISTORY, UH, AND EVERYTHING.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: OKAY. AT ANY RATE I ASKED HER WHERE SHE UH, HOW, SHE TOLD ME THE STORY OF WHERE SHE GOT THE DOG FROM.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: SHE PAID A HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS FOR IT FROM A RESCUE PLACE. THE DOG HAD ALL BEEN DONE, SPAYED, AND INNOCULATED, MICROCHIPPED . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: AND EVERYTHING. I KNEW THE DOG HAD A MICROCHIP.
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IF I WANTED TO ENSURE THAT UH, NO ONE WOULD ASSOCIATE THE DOG WITH HER I WOULD HAVE KILLED THE DOG.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: BUT THERE'S NO WAY I COULD DO THAT.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: SO I WAS ACTUALLY RISKING MYSELF BY, IN, IN OTHER WORDS I KNEW IF THE DOG WAS PICKED UP BY ANIMAL CONTROL RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE OR SOMEONE PICKED IT UP AND GAVE IT TO ANIMAL CONTROL . . .
CB: UH HUH.
GMH: IT'D BE SCANNED.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEY WOULD FIND OUT IT WAS HER DOG.
CB: RIGHT.
GMH: AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A, ANOTHER LOCATION.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: SO I KNEW IT WAS MICROCHIPPED ALREADY.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND I KNEW THE DOG WOULD BE OKAY AT THAT TIME OF DAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO, IF IT HAD BEEN LATE AT NIGHT IN SOME, AGAIN, WHEN EVERYTHING HAD GOTTEN DESERTED AND ALL THE STORES CLOSED AND EVERYTHING. . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . I UH, WOULDN'T HAVE FELT, DONE, YOU KNOW, FELT RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: BUT I KNEW THE DOG UH, BEFORE NIGHTFALL WOULD, WOULD UH, WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE, WOULD, WOULD GO UP TO SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY THOSE PIZZA BOYS. I WAS JUST A HUNDRED YARDS FROM THE PIZZA BOYS OUT BACK AND, AND . . .
CB: OKAY.
GMH: . . . SO FORTH AND THEY WOULD SEE THE DOG OR SOMEONE WOULD SEE THE DOG AT THE GAS STATION OR THE KROGER. AND SOMEONE CERTAINLY WOULD CALL ANIMAL CONTROL.
CB: OKAY.
GMH: AND CERTAINLY THE POLICE COME THROUGH THERE REGULARLY AND . . .
CB: OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. UH . . . IS THIS THE FIRST TIME YOU EVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE?
GMH: I'LL LET MY ATTORNEY ANSWER.
NS: UH, WE'RE NOT . . .
CB: I UNDERSTAND.
NS: (UI) THE AGREEMENT WAS HE WOULD ONLY BE ASKED ABOUT THIS.
CB: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHUT THIS OFF AT APPROXIMATELY SEVEN THIRTY P.M.
(END)
The following is a possible victim map of Hilton's: may they rest in peace...
http://tinyurl.com/2aja6w
Wolfscratch
Campbell addressed critics who said Florida shouldn’t spend the money to bring Hilton to Tallahassee.
“This isn’t about money,” he said. “This is about justice. This is about the lady that he murdered very viciously in cold blood in our state.”
It’s possible that Hilton will be connected to other crimes, Campbell said.
“We are highly suspicious because of his modus operandi, if you will, that there are other crimes that should have been attributed to him that have been undiscovered so far,” he said. “He was a very calculating, ruthless, dangerous man was roaming through our society and preying on unsuspecting people.”
Sheriff Campbell, has GMH's number! If Cheryl, receives Justice, it will be worth the expense, and if more victims are revealed, that would make an even better investment!
I Salute the Florida Justice System, for proscecuting GMH, to the fullest extent of the law!
Wolfscratch: Glenn Adams
06/06/08
A Close Encounter With A Killer Mind
By Tyrra B Meserve
Greene Publishing, Inc.
Since the beginning of time, within every culture, in every society, there have been those who are incapable of adapting and blending within the boundaries of their communal environment. Driven by a force that is incomprehensible to the peers upon which they prey, they feed on the terror and panic their crimes leave in the heart of the community. Unable to control their carnal desires for more than just brief moments, they reside in the dark recesses of the mind, opportunistically seizing victims to compensate for shortcomings they themselves are unable to overcome. Behind false smiles, it is truly then that the eyes become the window to the soul, or in some cases, the lack thereof.
In most instances, the serial killer acts alone, extracting pleasure from the anonymity that he presents. However, in rare cases, these predators find in each other a kindred mind, linking up to work together, proving the old adage of water seeking its own level, even for heinous reasons. Whether the union is long-term, or short-lived, these serial killing partners present a unique problem for law enforcement officers trying to solve crimes.
Recent developments have allowed Gary Michael Hilton to be charged with the murder of Meredith Emerson, and Cheryl Dunlap, however, questions still remain regarding Hilton’s involvement with other unsolved murders. It is currently under investigation as to whether Hilton is indeed a serial killer, and, if so, how many other victims did he claim, and, in what areas. In a recent interview with a Madison County resident, there has also now arisen the question as to if Hilton acted entirely alone.
Debra Stephens, a Madison resident for many years, recalls a strange event that took place back in 2000. A local, who knew some of the more obscure river access points and sun-bathing spots, was taking advantage of a warm summer’s day and the company of her dogs. As she was lying on her towel, soaking up rays, Stephens was startled by her companions barking.
“There’s canoers who go up and down the river all the time,” she said “so I didn’t think anything of it at first. Then I noticed there weren’t any other boats in the water and the dogs were focusing up the hill on the other bank.”
Following their line of sight, Stephens noticed two men standing at the top of the hill, on the other side of the river, watching her.
“I thought it was kind of odd when I noticed they were wearing blue jeans, sunglasses and boots. Not really boating clothes, if you know what I mean.”
When the men stepped back into the shadows of the trees and did not reappear, Stephens said her apprehension abated a bit and she returned to sunbathing. Then, a few minutes later, the dogs started barking again and Stephens, now nervous, looked around once more. The dogs, trotting ahead of her, rounded a close bend and Stephens walked straight down to the waters edge to get a better view.
“This older guy was paddling down in a canoe and it looked as though he was having a time of it. It was only he and his dog. At first, he asked if this was where they picked up the people for canoe rides. When I said no, this is private property, he kind of looked around, up the hill where the two guys had been.”
It was at this point that Stephens said the older man looked like he accidentally flipped the canoe, trapping the dog underneath. As Stephens was debating whether or not she should jump in and help, she noticed the man glancing up, occasionally looking up towards where she had seen the other two men earlier.
“He made it to the other bank and acted like he was going to lift the canoe,” Stephens remembered, “but then he just kept looking around and his dog was just laying there. His dog didn’t bark back at my dogs or anything. It was weird. It was almost like the dog had been through this before and he was trained.”
When the man fell to the ground, he appeared to accidentally push his canoe back into the water where it started to float downstream. Deciding to lend a hand, Stevens started to get into the water on the opposite bank.
“I looked up and there was one of the guys I had seen earlier, about halfway down the hill. I shouted up to him Hey, that man needs help, but he just looked at the older man, turned around and walked back up into the trees.”
Stephens stopped the canoe from floating away, and then gave it a good shove back toward the old man on the bank. Deciding it was about time to head home, Stephens kept an eye on the man as she swam back to her side of the shore, gathered her things and got set to leave.
“As I was walking back down the river bank to my truck, I glanced up the hill and there were those same two guys again. Well, one of them looked down at the older man and he looked back up at the guy and I thought they nodded at each other. When I passed by them on my side of the river, I remember thinking, now that’s weird; he doesn’t have anything in the canoe. Nothing, I mean, normally people have a life preserver, equipment, something. He didn’t. It was completely empty. Just him, his dog and a cane.”
Stephens also found it disturbing that, as she passed the scene, both men that she had seen earlier had not only re-emerged, but they had picked up the canoe and were carrying it up the hill with the older man and his dog in tow.
“I noticed that he wasn’t using his walking cane,” Stephens recalled. “He just followed them up the hill until they disappeared. That’s when I wondered how he had gotten the canoe down to the river by himself. There’s not a lot of places where we were at that you can drive up and drop a canoe, you have to hike it in and that didn’t seem like something he could have done by himself.
“When I got home, I told a couple of people what had happened and they just told me I was nuts. I couldn’t help thinking that if I had gone over to their side of the river, I wouldn’t have made it back, but everyone I told laughed and said nobody was trying to get me, so I just pushed it to the back of my mind and tried to forget it.”
Then, watching the news recently, Stephens got a jolt. A little thinner, a little older looking and worse for wear, Gary Michael Hilton looked like the man she had seen that day.
“Naw,” Stephens said to herself. “I’m just spooked.”
Letting it go once more, a week passed before on another airing of the local news, Stephens got a chance to hear Hilton speak.
“I jumped out of my chair,” she said, “yelling, That’s Him! That’s the *!#* man from the river.”
They were trying to get me,” Stephens stated with conviction “I know that now. I could feel that something wasn’t right. It was like they knew each other. It just felt wrong.”
Sergeant Tim Baxter of the Leon County Sheriff’s Department was not able to give much information due to Hilton’s ongoing investigation; however, he is interested in connecting Stevens with the right authorities to take her statement.
“The FBI is working with the different case investigators, developing a long term timeline for Hilton,” Baxter stated. “They are going back to before (Hilton) was born. So far, we believe he’s a loner, but we want to know where he’s been and whom he’s been seen with. We don’t want to rule out connections he may have to other cases.”
As police still gather leads linking Hilton with other crimes, they are tracing his footsteps in the past. Only time will tell if police have caught all the right men.
Staff writer Tyrra B Meserve can be reached at tyrra@greenepublishing.com
http://www.ajc.com/metro/webservice_client/webservice_clientClass/inform/landing.jsp?subjectName=Gary%20Hilton&informSiteId=6801&cxntlid=inform_arts
Wolfscratch: GMH Headlines
C/P from: http://www.topix.com/forum/county/leon-fl/TSQRC74DHM92JABTO/p2
I swear I saw this guy 2 years ago when my girlfriend at the time and I were hinking off of Richard Russell Prkwy. I was well in front of my girlfriend and she had the dogs. He walked right past me and tried to chit chat with my gf. I stopped and turned to tell her to keep moving. I told her there was something wrong with that guy. He put off some really bad vibes. Right before he tried to speak with her another younger guy did also. I remember because he was trying to talk to her but watching what i was doing. I also recall when we got back to the car there was a white van parked next to us. I've always told her to stay away from white vans...
Ric Spiva
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|Report Abuse |Judge it! |#27 Jan 9, 2008 Bt: Sickened; Atlanta, GA
Several years ago, a hunter, local to the area, by the name of Leonard Sosebee, found a boot in the woods.
He wondered what this could be doing so far from the norm.
He picked the boot up to check it out because it just didn't seem right, and behold, inside was the bony skeletal remains of the foot.
He contacted the Union County Sheriff's Office and after a search of the area, they find the skeleton of the body, still with the clothes, but minus a head.
This happened within a mile of the area where Meredith Emerson was abducted.
Could there possibly be a connection here? BY: Rick Spiva, Clarksville, GA Topix
Inventory of GMH's white astro van when he was arrested 01/04/08, in Atlanta.
http://www.wyff4.com/download/2008/0227/15428509.pdf
Florida Murder Victim DecapitatedThe Leon County, Florida Sheriff's office now considers Gary Michael Hilton a prime suspect in the kidnapping and murder of Cheryl Hodges Dunlap in December. I mentioned yesterday that he might be linked to the murder and they are pretty sure now that it was him, enough that police are taking a closer look at Hilton.
Everything I had read up until this point says that her body was found December 17th but WSB TV in Atlanta is reporting that the body was found on December 19th. According to WSB-TV a state law enforcement source told them that Cheryl Dunlap was also decapitated as was Meredith Emerson.
Hilton was seen at a bond hearing this past Wednesday at which he was denied bond.
Some of the details from the autopsy are now starting to trickle out. Apparently Meredith Emerson was beaten to death and then decapitated. The believe that she was killed Friday night after having been held for three days. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is still waiting for the results of a rape kit administered during the autopsy to confirm or deny the suspicions that she was sexually assaulted. They have asked other law enforcement agencies including the FBI to help them in putting together a timeline of Hilton's whereabouts over the last few years.
WSB-TV is also reporting that the remains of Meredith Emerson were found in two different locations in Dawson County.
Investigators all over the southeastern portions of the country are looking at unsolved murders again and reopening investigations. All total Gary Michael Hilton is now considered a possible suspect in cases in Florida and North Carolina as well as three killing here in Georgia.
The family of Levi Frady, whose body was found in Dawson Forest in 1997 thinks that Hilton resembles two sketches of men that police were trying to locate back then. You can see the sketches over at WSB-TV.
The quote of the day in this case has to be from Gary Michael Hilton's attorney, Neil A. Smith:
“”there are significant mental health issues, I would thinkNeil A. Smith, Attorney for Hilton
You Think?
There are plenty of mental health issues I am sure but that should not necessarily preclude frying the bastard. I don't guess we do that anymore but maybe they should make an exception for Hilton.
One of my commenters pointed at an article in the Gainesville Times a couple of days ago and I have been so bust at work that I haven't had the chance to read it until this morning. They questioned why, if Forestry officials had already encountered and had such problems with Hilton why he was still allowed in the area. Here is the text of the article:
“”Outdoor recreation experts have been inundated with questions about trail safety ever since hiker Meredith Emerson was abducted and subsequently murdered in the Northeast Georgia mountains last week.
"Everyone’s afraid now. Even myself," said David Foot, superintendent of Vogel State Park, where authorities and volunteers spent several days searching for Emerson. "This experience has been so intense for us here."
But at Amicalola Falls State Park, located near the starting point of the Appalachian Trail, resource manager Elisabeth Pinion said the recommendations for hiker safety haven’t changed.
"Be aware of your surroundings, and have a plan in the back of your mind," she said. "If you come upon a situation where you are uncomfortable, try to hike out with other people, if you can."
Foot said he has always advised people not to hike alone, and it’s not just because of fears about crime.
"If you get hurt out there, you’ll need someone with you who can go for help," he said.
However, Foot acknowledges that many hikers go into the wilderness specifically to enjoy the solitude, and they prefer not to have a partner.
"In that case, you should always give someone your itinerary and when you plan to be back," he said.
Foot said there’s no particular item a hiker can bring along that will necessarily keep them safe.
"Guns are not allowed in state parks," he said. "Some women carry mace, but that’s not a cure-all. And a dog is not protection either."
Having a cell phone is a good idea, Foot said, except that it’s difficult to get signal reception in the mountains.
"Technology is fallible," he said. "The best advice I can give anyone is to go with your gut feeling. Always question the intentions of people you encounter."
A lot of hikers had a "gut feeling" about Gary Michael Hilton, the 61-year-old man who has been charged with Emerson’s murder. The two met near Blood Mountain on New Year’s Day, and Hilton allegedly killed Emerson in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area three days later.
"This guy’s been on our radar since March," said Winton Porter, owner of Mountain Crossings at Walasi-Yi, a hiking gear store located on U.S. 129 east of Blood Mountain, very close to the parking lot where Emerson left her car on Jan. 1.
Porter said Hilton, who was apparently homeless, spent months migrating up and down the Appalachian Trail.
"He was squatting at the Gooch Gap shelter," Porter said. "He knew that according to Forest Service rules, he could stay at a shelter for two weeks, leave for a day, then stay another two weeks. He had (stuff) scattered all over the shelter. He took over the place and wouldn’t let anyone else stay there. We also had reports of him at Slaughter Gap shelter a couple weeks ago."
That was why investigators were able to quickly identify Hilton as a "person of interest" in the case. Most Forest Service rangers in the area had encountered Hilton before, in response to complaints.
And after Hilton’s photo appeared in the media, many people recognized him. "Lots of my customers are now saying, ‘Yeah, I ran into that guy.’" Porter said. "One customer said they met him on the trail Saturday (the day after Emerson is believed to have been killed)."
Porter said every person seemed to have the same reaction to Hilton.
"People said he was ‘twitchy.’ He’d be polite one minute and rude the next," Porter said. "Sometimes he would just stare really hard at people. Other times he acted like he was seeing something that wasn’t there."
Hilton also didn’t look like a typical hiker.
"We have a high tolerance for strangeness on the trail," said Porter. "But we get a sense of who’s fitting in and who’s not. There are people we call ‘duffle-bag’ hikers, people who usually are carrying improper gear. They typically don’t stay very long on the trail. This guy was an exception."
Because Hilton was essentially living either in his van or at free campsites, he had possessions with him that a recreational backpacker wouldn’t carry, Porter said.
"The guy had a pack that was probably 20 years old, with all these pots and pans hanging off of it," he said. "In the city, he would have been the guy you see pushing the grocery cart."
Brian King, spokesman for the Appalachian Trail Conservancy, the caretaker organization for the 2,175-mile trail, said you can also get clues about a person from what they say.
"Hikers tend to talk about things like food and water," he said. "If someone comes up to you and says, ‘Nice outfit,’ that would be a red flag. Hikers don’t comment on other hikers’ fashions."
Since almost everyone who encountered Hilton had a negative reaction, the unanswered question is why Emerson, a 24-year-old Colorado native and experienced hiker, apparently did not perceive him as a threat.
"Her friends told me she would not have gone with someone she didn’t trust," Foot said.
Many people have speculated that Emerson assumed Hilton was friendly because he hiked with a dog, just as she did. But what transpired between the two on Jan. 1 may never be fully known.
Fortunately, King said, violent criminals are extremely rare in the wilderness, even on the heavily traveled Appalachian Trail.
"In the past 34 years, there have been six murder incidents, with eight victims, on or near the AT," he said. "But if you consider how many people use the AT, your chances of a violent death along the trail are about one in 15 million."
King said in five of the six cases, the perpetrator was described as a "drifter" like Hilton. Only in one incident did a fellow hiker kill another.
He said one of the previous murders did occur in Georgia, at Low Gap shelter in 1974.
"The most dangerous places for hikers are close to roads," King said. "We have since moved most of our shelters away from roads, to deter crime."
The Appalachian Trail is unique in having numerous permanent shelters along the way, so backpackers can have a place to stay without setting up a tent. But sleeping in a shelter requires a willingness to share space with strangers, whose intentions may be questionable.
"We always tell women (not to) go into an empty shelter and unpack all your gear for the evening. Wait to see who else shows up," Porter said. "If you feel uncomfortable, leave and set up camp somewhere else."
But campers can also be targeted by criminals. "In 1996, two women camping off an AT approach trail in Shenandoah National Park were murdered," King said. "That incident got a lot of publicity, and it led to the writing of the book ‘Trail Safe.’"
Subtitled "Averting Threatening Human Behavior in the Outdoors" and authored by Michael Bane, the book is sold at Mountain Crossings and is available online. Porter said he recommends it to his customers.
Paige Perkins, a Chamblee resident who frequently hikes in the Chattahoochee National Forest, said she hopes the recent tragedy does not discourage people from enjoying the outdoors.
"I think people who don’t hike believe there’s something to fear out in the wild, when it’s actually a thousand times more dangerous in the city," she said.
However, the beauty of the wilderness can blind people to the possible dangers.
"I think you do develop a sense of complacency out on the trail," Perkins said. "Bad things happen everywhere."
She said she is "hypervigilant" on the trail and never hikes alone. But of all the risks Perkins might expect to encounter, she said she never dreamed of anything as horrific as what happened to Emerson.
"Our minds just don’t wrap around that type of evil," she said.
Debbie Gilbert, Gainesville Times
As much as he does sound creepy it seems that he was staying within the law, which is why he was still allowed. Not only that but there just aren't enough forestry agents to police the Appalachian Trail or other parks. You want more law you have to pay them.
The question that was asked of me was pretty specific as to why David Foot could not have prevented the murder of Meredith Emerson. For one thing, Emerson is the superintendent of Vogel State Park, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the location she was killed at. One of the comments I saw at the article in the Gainesville Times mentioned that she was killed on the Appalachian, which is also not true.
Meredith Emerson was killed in Dawson Forest, which is located well south of Vogel and the Appalachian.
There is to be a memorial service for Emerson, today, January 11th. It will be open to the public since their has been such a great out-pouring of sympathy for Emerson and her family. The service will be at Central Presbyterian Church in Athens this afternoon.
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This Garbage Spewed by Richard on January 11, 2008
Wolfscratch
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2008/images/01/08/arrest.warrant2.pdf
Arrest warrant for GMH:
http://www.zimbio.com/Gary+Michael+Hilton/articles/1/Welcome+wikizine+Gary+Michael+Hilton+Meredith
C/P by Wolfscratch
http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2008/01/florid a_to_charge_hilton.php
This man (Hilton) stalked me at the Rainbow Springs State Park in Dunnellon, FL in February 2004.
I was walking my two dogs at the time, and that did not seem to phase him.
I had the creeps from the second I saw him. He tried to get to me even with my dogs there, when a park ranger drove up on his golf cart.
I ran to my car and was just getting into it when he came racing around the corner towards me. (He was in the front parking lot- I was in the very back.)
Had it not been for the park ranger, who knows what could have happened. There was another complaint about him a day or two before this.
He had Leon County tags...And a dog in the front seat.
I have been haunted by this man ever since, and I know that serial killers don't start killing at 61. He's been doing it for years.
I just wish that he had been caught before these poor people died that way. It breaks my heart.
January 19, 2008 6:36 PM | valerie burner
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July 12, 2008
I had a conservation with a Retired City of Atlanta; Water Works Employee.
He has had a hunting club adjacent to the Oconee Nat Forest, Monticello, GA, for 30 years. He confronted GMH, for camping on his leased land in November, 2005. He notified the Bridgemille Precinct of the Oconee County Sheriff's Dept, of the incident.
Wolfscratch: Posted for timeline purposes.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/12/hilton_0113.html
C/P Wolfscratch Hilton timeline/profile
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=CD&Dato=20080910&Kategori=PHOTOS03&Lopenr=809100803&Ref=PH
Courtroom Decor, Attorney Client privelege? I think not. Where is the sensitivity for the victims?
Wolfscratch
Cheryl Dunlap, Tallahassee, Fl. Link to news and Forum. Pay attn. to Grumpy OldFart's comments. He has a BIL thaty works for LE:
http://enjoyingthejourney.blogspot.com/2007/12/sheriffs-office-identifies-body-as.html
Wolfscratch
TYPOLOGIES OF MURDER
In essence serial murderers should include any offenders, male or female, who kill over time. Most researchers agree that serial killers have a minimum of 3-4 victims. Usually there is a pattern in their killing that may be associated with the types of victims selected or the method or motives for the killing. This includes murderers who, on a repeated basis, kill within the confines of their own home, such as a woman who poisons several husbands, children, or elderly people in order to collect insurance. In addition, serial murderers include those men and women who operate within the confines of a city or a state or even travel through several states as they seek out victims. Consequently, some victims have a personal relationship with their killers and others do not, and some victims are killed for pleasure and some merely for gain. Of greatest importance from a research perspective is the linkage of common factors among the victims-for example, as Egger (1985) observed, "victims' place or status within their immediate surroundings (such as vagrants, prostitutes, migrant workers, homosexuals, missing children, and single and often elderly women)" (p. 3). Commonality among those murdered may include several factors, any of which can prove heuristic in better understanding victimization.
Much of our information and misinformation about criminal offenders is based on taxonomies, or classification systems. Megargee and Bohn (1979) noted that researchers usually created typologies based on the criminal offense. This invariably became problematic because often the offense comprised one or more subgroups. Researchers then examined repetitive crime patterns, which in turn created new complexities and problems. Megargee and Bohn further noted that, depending on the authority one chooses to read, one will find between two and eleven different types of murderers (pp. 29-32). Although serial murder is believed to represent a relatively small portion of all homicides in the United States, already researchers have begun the difficult task of classifying serial killers. Consequently, various typologies of serial killers and patterns of homicides have emerged. Not surprisingly, some of these typologies and patterns conflict with one another. Some are descriptions of causation, whereas others are diagnostic in nature. In addition, some researchers focus primarily on individual case studies of serial killers, whereas others create group taxonomies that accommodate several kinds of murderers.
Wille (1974) identified ten different types of murderers covering a broad range of bio-socio-psychological categories:
1. depressive
2. psychotic
3. afflicted with organic brain disorder
4. psychopathic
5. passive aggressive
6. alcoholic
7. hysterical
8. juvenile (the child was the killer)
9. mentally retarded
10. sex killers
Lee (1988) also created a variety of labels to differentiate killers according to motive, including:
1. profit
2. passion
3. hatred
4. power or domination
5. revenge
6. opportunism
7. fear
8. contract killing
9. desperation
10. compassion
11. ritual
Even before American society became aware, in the early 1980s, of serial murder as anything more than an anomaly, researchers had begun to classify multiple killers and assign particular characteristics and labels to them. Guttmacher (1973) described the sadistic serial murderer as one who derives sexual gratification from killing and who often establishes a pattern, such as the manner in which they kill or the types of victims they select, such as prostitutes, children, or the elderly. Motivated by fantasies, the offender appears to derive pleasure from dehumanizing his or her victims. Lunde (1976) recognized and noted distinctions between the mass killer and the serial killer, notably that the mass killer appears to suffer from psychosis and should be considered insane. By contrast he found little evidence of mental illness among serial killers. Danto (1982) noted that most serial murderers may be described as obsessive-compulsive because they normally kill according to a particular style and pattern.
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Some are descriptions of causation, whereas others are diagnostic in nature. In addition, some researchers focus primarily on individual case studies of serial killers, whereas others create group taxonomies that accommodate several kinds of murderers.
Wille (1974) identified ten different types of murderers covering a broad range of bio-socio-psychological categories:
1. depressive
2. psychotic
3. afflicted with organic brain disorder
4. psychopathic
5. passive aggressive
6. alcoholic
7. hysterical
8. juvenile (the child was the killer)
9. mentally retarded
10. sex killers
Lee (1988) also created a variety of labels to differentiate killers according to motive, including:
1. profit
2. passion
3. hatred
4. power or domination
5. revenge
6. opportunism
7. fear
8. contract killing
9. desperation
10. compassion
11. ritual
Even before American society became aware, in the early 1980s, of serial murder as anything more than an anomaly, researchers had begun to classify multiple killers and assign particular characteristics and labels to them. Guttmacher (1973) described the sadistic serial murderer as one who derives sexual gratification from killing and who often establishes a pattern, such as the manner in which they kill or the types of victims they select, such as prostitutes, children, or the elderly. Motivated by fantasies, the offender appears to derive pleasure from dehumanizing his or her victims. Lunde (1976) recognized and noted distinctions between the mass killer and the serial killer, notably that the mass killer appears to suffer from psychosis and should be considered insane. By contrast he found little evidence of mental illness among serial killers. Danto (1982) noted that most serial murderers may be described as obsessive-compulsive because they normally kill according to a particular style and pattern.
Researchers have been attempting to create profiles of the "typical" serial killer from the rapidly accumulating statistics on offenders and victims in the United States. The most stereotypical of all serial murderers are those who in some way are involved sexually with their victims. It is this type of killer who generates such public interest and alarm. Stories of young women being abducted, raped, tortured, and strangled appear more and more frequently in the newspapers.
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Inside Edition News on Hilton's Background
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"Born in Atlanta, Ga. to William E. Hilton and Cleo M. Reynolds, Gary Hilton once pursued a promising life. Although he had dropped out of high school, Hilton enlisted in the Army in 1964 and obtained his G.E.D. According to Military records, Hilton spent some time in Germany and received basic airborne training. After his honorable discharge in 1967 however, Hilton’s apparently upstanding lifestyle deteriorated into a spiraling series of failed marriages and encounters with the law.
According to Georgia state records, Hilton received a divorce from his first wife in Miami in 1971 citing irreconcilable differences. He then married Dina Evonne Baugh in 1977 in DeKalb County, Ga., but that marriage lasted less than a year. On March 19, 1979, Hilton married his third wife, Betty Sue Edwards Galloway, who at the time was employed as a law enforcement officer for Atlanta’s Stone Mountain Park. Just seven months later, this marriage also ended in divorce. According to court records, Hilton had no children. None of his former wives could be reached for comment.
Gary Hilton’s first known arrest was in 1972 for receiving stolen property in Miami-Dade County, Fla. Records show that case was eventually thrown out.
Apparently looking for a fresh start, Hilton spent the remainder of the 1970s in Atlanta. It was in Georgia, where Hilton’s criminal record grew. He was charged in 1982 for marijuana possession and was sentenced to four years probation.
Petty crimes continued to pock mark Hilton’s now widely publicized life as a nomadic camper. He was lasted as a fugitive by Georgia authorities from 1994 to 1995 for repeatedly scamming money from individuals in Marietta, Ga. According to court documents and victims who spoke with Inside Edition, Hilton repeatedly posed as an advocate for veterans and disabled children in order to dupe people into donating cash and checks that he claimed would be used for charitable causes.
"He was a skilled con man in his own way," said Gary Hill. Hill and his brother Gene eventually banned Hilton from their business, G&H Horseshoe Sales, after the state of Georgia notified them Hilton preyed on people's kindness by posing as a representative of the Georgia Veterans Journal.
Court records indicate Hilton never walked away with much money from his visits, but managed to swindle roughly $500 from his unsuspecting victims, some on a repeat basis, from 1990 to 1993.
Gene Hill said he did not immediately correlate the shifty, quick speaking - albeit polite - Hilton with the aged, "wretch of a human being" he saw plastered across his television screen in connection with the gruesome decapitation of Emerson. Hilton has been charged with the murder of the 24 year old hiker.
For Joan Farlow, a retired child daycare owner from Austell, Ga., the recent charges against Hilton evoked a sinking realization of the times he chatted her up at Smyrna Playskool to get a few dollars for his bogus charity. Farlow said she now fears his access to her school may have placed the scores of children entrusted to her at risk.
"I guess you never think that people like that would come in contact with you. It always happens to somebody else," said Farlow, who assumed the school was donating to veterans. Hilton stopped popping by, she said, when apparently he got word that state authorities were after him.
Authorities finally caught up to Hilton in May 1995 and arrested him on a warrant detailing 21 felony counts of unlawful solicitation and two misdemeanor counts of simple battery stemming from a violent episode in early 1995.
In April, 1995, former roommate Christopher C. Johnson, who characterized Hilton as a “very odd” man, says he witnessed Hilton's violent persona when Hilton rented a room at Johnson’s Marietta, Ga., home for roughly six months.
“He just had this erratic behavior with everything,” recalled Johnson, who now lives in eastern Mississippi.
Never feeling threatened by Hilton, Johnson said the two mostly got along well, even joking about their third roommate, a man neither particularly liked.
It was at this time that Hilton got into another wrangle with police when he physically attacked the third roommate in an attempt to throw him out of the house. Hilton was charged with two counts of simple battery that were later dismissed.
Court records also show a judge ordered Hilton to serve five years probation in June 1995 after pleading guilty to 21 counts of unlawful charity solicitation. During his probation, he was forbidden from consuming alcohol or possessing a firearm. He was also ordered to pay $424 restitution and court fees.
Prior to that incident, Johnson said Hilton, then in his late 40s, was harmless enough, taking his golden retriever for daily walks in nearby Kennasaw Mountain National Battlefield Park.
It was also during this time Hilton showed Johnson a collapsible baton he brought on his walks for self protection – perhaps the same baton Georgia authorities believe may have been used as a weapon in Emerson’s death.
But aside from having a bizarre personality – specifically a hyperactive, excited speech pattern and sometimes disturbing smile – Johnson said Hilton mostly kept to himself and always kept his knapsack nearby, as though he needed to leave in a moment's notice.
Six months later, Hilton was arrested again in DeKalb County, Ga. for stealing books he was hired to sell for the American Book Display Company. Instead, he attempted to sell them for personal profit at a local flea market.
Again, Hilton slipped through the clutches of a jail term and instead received five years probation and was ordered to pay $5,619 in restitution. It is not clear from court records if Hilton ever fulfilled his restitution payments.
From Inside Edition
Marissa Yaremich
INSIDE EDITION Staff
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Inside Edition News on Hilton's Background
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"Born in Atlanta, Ga. to William E. Hilton and Cleo M. Reynolds, Gary Hilton once pursued a promising life. Although he had dropped out of high school, Hilton enlisted in the Army in 1964 and obtained his G.E.D. According to Military records, Hilton spent some time in Germany and received basic airborne training. After his honorable discharge in 1967 however, Hilton’s apparently upstanding lifestyle deteriorated into a spiraling series of failed marriages and encounters with the law.
According to Georgia state records, Hilton received a divorce from his first wife in Miami in 1971 citing irreconcilable differences. He then married Dina Evonne Baugh in 1977 in DeKalb County, Ga., but that marriage lasted less than a year. On March 19, 1979, Hilton married his third wife, Betty Sue Edwards Galloway, who at the time was employed as a law enforcement officer for Atlanta’s Stone Mountain Park. Just seven months later, this marriage also ended in divorce. According to court records, Hilton had no children. None of his former wives could be reached for comment.
Gary Hilton’s first known arrest was in 1972 for receiving stolen property in Miami-Dade County, Fla. Records show that case was eventually thrown out.
Apparently looking for a fresh start, Hilton spent the remainder of the 1970s in Atlanta. It was in Georgia, where Hilton’s criminal record grew. He was charged in 1982 for marijuana possession and was sentenced to four years probation.
Petty crimes continued to pock mark Hilton’s now widely publicized life as a nomadic camper. He was lasted as a fugitive by Georgia authorities from 1994 to 1995 for repeatedly scamming money from individuals in Marietta, Ga. According to court documents and victims who spoke with Inside Edition, Hilton repeatedly posed as an advocate for veterans and disabled children in order to dupe people into donating cash and checks that he claimed would be used for charitable causes.
"He was a skilled con man in his own way," said Gary Hill. Hill and his brother Gene eventually banned Hilton from their business, G&H Horseshoe Sales, after the state of Georgia notified them Hilton preyed on people's kindness by posing as a representative of the Georgia Veterans Journal.
Court records indicate Hilton never walked away with much money from his visits, but managed to swindle roughly $500 from his unsuspecting victims, some on a repeat basis, from 1990 to 1993.
Gene Hill said he did not immediately correlate the shifty, quick speaking - albeit polite - Hilton with the aged, "wretch of a human being" he saw plastered across his television screen in connection with the gruesome decapitation of Emerson. Hilton has been charged with the murder of the 24 year old hiker.
For Joan Farlow, a retired child daycare owner from Austell, Ga., the recent charges against Hilton evoked a sinking realization of the times he chatted her up at Smyrna Playskool to get a few dollars for his bogus charity. Farlow said she now fears his access to her school may have placed the scores of children entrusted to her at risk.
"I guess you never think that people like that would come in contact with you. It always happens to somebody else," said Farlow, who assumed the school was donating to veterans. Hilton stopped popping by, she said, when apparently he got word that state authorities were after him.
Authorities finally caught up to Hilton in May 1995 and arrested him on a warrant detailing 21 felony counts of unlawful solicitation and two misdemeanor counts of simple battery stemming from a violent episode in early 1995.
In April, 1995, former roommate Christopher C. Johnson, who characterized Hilton as a “very odd” man, says he witnessed Hilton's violent persona when Hilton rented a room at Johnson’s Marietta, Ga., home for roughly six months.
“He just had this erratic behavior with everything,” recalled Johnson, who now lives in eastern Mississippi.
Never feeling threatened by Hilton, Johnson said the two mostly got along well, even joking about their third roommate, a man neither particularly liked.
It was at this time that Hilton got into another wrangle with police when he physically attacked the third roommate in an attempt to throw him out of the house. Hilton was charged with two counts of simple battery that were later dismissed.
Court records also show a judge ordered Hilton to serve five years probation in June 1995 after pleading guilty to 21 counts of unlawful charity solicitation. During his probation, he was forbidden from consuming alcohol or possessing a firearm. He was also ordered to pay $424 restitution and court fees.
Prior to that incident, Johnson said Hilton, then in his late 40s, was harmless enough, taking his golden retriever for daily walks in nearby Kennasaw Mountain National Battlefield Park.
It was also during this time Hilton showed Johnson a collapsible baton he brought on his walks for self protection – perhaps the same baton Georgia authorities believe may have been used as a weapon in Emerson’s death.
But aside from having a bizarre personality – specifically a hyperactive, excited speech pattern and sometimes disturbing smile – Johnson said Hilton mostly kept to himself and always kept his knapsack nearby, as though he needed to leave in a moment's notice.
Six months later, Hilton was arrested again in DeKalb County, Ga. for stealing books he was hired to sell for the American Book Display Company. Instead, he attempted to sell them for personal profit at a local flea market.
Again, Hilton slipped through the clutches of a jail term and instead received five years probation and was ordered to pay $5,619 in restitution. It is not clear from court records if Hilton ever fulfilled his restitution payments.
From Inside Edition
Marissa Yaremich
INSIDE EDITION Staff
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FBI kills serial murder profile
BY JAMES GORDON MEEK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Tuesday, July 8th 2008, 10:13 PM
WASHINGTON - Hollywood's serial-killer stereotype - an anti-social white guy unable to stop murdering - is nothing but a Tinseltown tall tale, the FBI concludes in a new report.
"There's no one-size-fits-all profile," said Mark Hilts, chief of the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. "Don't get caught up looking for Hannibal Lecter."
After analyzing the views of 135 law enforcement, academic and mental health experts, the FBI's behavioral profilers determined "there is no generic profile of a serial murderer."
The only traits most predators have in common is they tend to be control freaks with a total lack of remorse for taking innocent lives, the 71-page FBI report determined. It also said their motive to kill is usually simply "because they want to."
The bureau zinged the media for its infatuation with such murders, beginning with Jack the Ripper, who taunted London cops in the 1880s.
The study blamed moviemakers for perpetuating the myths - even though the FBI cooperated on some films it now criticizes, including "The Silence of the Lambs," which made Hannibal the Cannibal famous.
As a result, FBI agents called in to help solve cases sometimes deal with local cops who assume the carnage is the work of leather-masked fiends with genius IQs, bureau officials said.
Contrary to popular belief, serial murderers often build careers and families even as their body count climbs, such as "Green River killer" Gary Ridgway, who snuffed out 48 prostitutes.
jmeek@nydailynews.com
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/07/08/2008-07-08_fbi_kills_serial_murder_profile-3.html
Link for previous post...
Wolfscratch
GMH' IQ is 150+
He is the Hannibal Lecture, of the 20th & 21st Century. He is evil, demonic, cannibal, ritual: Serial Killer, with no victim profile, only a preference...
Interesting Link:
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3501
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March 21, 2008, 12:20:46 PM »
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Suspect Gary Michael Hilton to be questioned about Grinstead case!??
PERRY — Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents say they want to talk with police in Dawson County to see if accused murderer Gary Hilton had any connection to the disappearance of an Ocilla school teacher two years ago, despite differences in the cases.
GBI Special-Agent-in-Charge Gary Rothwell said Friday that his office is interested in speaking with agents working the murder of 24-year-old Meredith Emerson, who was found dead after going for a hike in the North Georgia mountains. They say they’re doubtful that the suspect, Gary Michael Hilton, had any involvement.
The 61-year-old Hilton has been charged with malice murder and is being held in Dawson County. Leon County, Fla., authorities said Friday they intend to charge Hilton with the murder of 46-year-old Cheryl Hodges Dunlap, who was found dead in the Apalachicola National Forest.
Hilton may also be charged in connection with the deaths of a couple in North Carolina.
But Rothwell said that investigators are eager to chat with agents in Buford about any possible link between Hilton and missing Ocilla teacher Tara Grinstead, who vanished in October 2005 after a beauty pageant.
“The agent in charge of the investigation up there is very familiar with the Grinstead investigation, and so we’re interested in talking with them about the case,” Rothwell said. “But initial indications, at least the published reports, would suggest that what happened to the hiker and what happened in the Grinstead case are different in many ways and probably aren’t connected.”
Hilton, a former contractor in the Atlanta area, pointed police to Emerson’s body, which was found decapitated in a wooded area in Dawson County. Preliminary autopsy results show that Emerson was bludgeoned to death.
Without going into detail, Rothwell said that the methods used to kidnap and kill Emerson and Dunlap don’t mesh with the facts of the Grinstead investigation.
While the two victims Hilton is suspected of murdering were apparently abducted and killed in wooded areas, Grinstead was last seen at her home in Ocilla after a local beauty pageant.
“Right now, every law enforcement agency in the three-state area with open missing persons investigations are calling for information about him,” Rothwell said. “We’re just one of the ones in line.”
Rothwell said the investigation is still open in the disappearance of the former beauty queen and said that it will be until she’s found.
“I’m not retiring until we find her,” Rothwell said.
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A question came to me a few weeks ago concerning GMH's abandoned van(white co, GA) that was shipped to FL. The van was abandoned by GMH, over two years before the abduction of Cheryl Dunlap. The following video may answer the question as to why:
Gary Michael Hilton - Mahalo
Gary Michael Hilton, also known as Gary Hilton, is serving a life sentence ... van found (January 19, 2008); Winston-Salem Journal: "Sheriff: evidence links ...
www.mahalo.com/Gary_Michael_Hilton - 34k - Cached - Similar pages
Partial list of Gary Michael Hilton Murder Suspected Victims:
Meredith Emerson
John and Irene Bryant
Cheryl Hodges Dunlap
Michael Scott Lewis
Rossana Miliani
North Carolina authorities in another area of the state believe another disappearance and possible homicide can be tied to Gary Michael Hilton. A 26-year-old woman from Florida, Rossana Miliani, was hiking in western North Carolina and was last seen in Bryson City, N.C., on Dec. 7, 2005.
www.hitsusa.com/1-good-ones/rossana-miliani.jpg" alt="Rossana Miliani" title="Rossana Miliani" width="259" height="250" align="textTop" />
A store clerk from Bryson City recently told private investigator Steve Siske that Miliani came into her store with a white man in his 60s and appeared nervous when they bought a backpack.
“He purchased a yellow backpack, indicating it was for Rossana, and a coat and pants for himself,” Siske said the clerk told him. “He told the clerk that he was a traveling preacher that goes from campground to campground. Rossana made no statements but appeared to be nervous.”
Wolfscratch: May his many, many victims rest in peace...
GMH, 'He read, he emulated many Serial Killers'...had no profile.. GMH, & Associates lived in our communities for decades, abducting and slaughtering our families, friends, and loved ones, oblivious to LE, and slipping through holes in the Justice system. 'How Sad, How Tragic' Silence, was his most effective tool...
Link for witness to phone call by GMH, from Mtn Crossing Trading Post (Blood Mtn, GA)01/01/08:
http://atlantasportsfan.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/my-conversation-with-a-murderer/
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Friday, January 11, 2008
Trail Safety by Gut Instinct
There's an article in the Gainesville (GA) Times on 10 January 2008, written by Debbie Gilbert, and titled "Safe hiking: Trust your instincts." It provides some of the 'backstory' that preceded Meredith Emerson's murder, particularly comments from people who had met or observed the accused murderer. Here are a few paragraphs out of the middle of the article:
"A lot of hikers had a "gut feeling" about Gary Michael Hilton, the 61-year-old man who has been charged with Emerson’s murder. The two met near Blood Mountain on New Year’s Day, and Hilton allegedly killed Emerson in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area three days later.
"'This guy’s been on our radar since March,' said Winton Porter, owner of Mountain Crossings at Walasi-Yi, a hiking gear store located on U.S. 129 east of Blood Mountain, very close to the parking lot where Emerson left her car on Jan. 1.
Porter said Hilton, who was apparently homeless, spent months migrating up and down the Appalachian Trail.
"'He was squatting at the Gooch Gap shelter,' Porter said. 'He knew that according to Forest Service rules, he could stay at a shelter for two weeks, leave for a day, then stay another two weeks. He had (stuff) scattered all over the shelter. He took over the place and wouldn’t let anyone else stay there. We also had reports of him at Slaughter Gap shelter a couple weeks ago'."
A couple of state park officials are also quoted, as are an ATC rep and others. We'll probably never know whether or why Emerson trusted Hilton when others thought there was something fishy about him. Read this article, though.
http://gpstc.georgia.gov/vgn/images/portal/ci...
"Smoke and Mirrors"
"Very Important meeting that illustrates the 'SMOKE and MIRRORS' PR(Propaganda & Rumor) Strategy, used by Law Enforcement, and reported by the media(Local and National), in the Tragic Fiasco Labeled 'The Meredith Emerson Investigation'...
The last paragraph of Page 3, if not for the tragidc outcome, would be almost humorous...
What galaxy are they living in..
Pay close attention to Page 4: Psychological Arrests: Keenan says that Gary Hilton, was stopped by LE in Three States, but was a 'Master' at preventing his arrest....
The 'Four Hour Response Time to the Marble Hill Huddle House' by the GBI & LE, on 01/03/08, was conviently omitted from the minutes of the meeting. Where were the GBI Helicopters on this date?
She should have been rescued. This Mission was far from being a Success. The Community and Meredith Hope Emerson's family needs to know the truth...the Whole Truth, and Nothing but the Truth...
May She Rest in Peace...
Glenn Adams
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PDF]
Vice-Chairman Donald called the June Board meeting to order
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
finally, to Dawson County, where Meredith Emerson's body was recovered.... Since the Missing Persons file was set up in 1972, there are 608 women entered in that ... Lab to have scientists come in on Sunday to begin receiving some of DNA evidence.... how to keep law enforcement from not making an arrest on him....
gpstc.georgia.gov/vgn/.../cit.../106904179Boa...
Wolfscratch
From another forum Some info on Gary Hilton: verified from corrections records, unless otherwise stated:
StrangeThingsHappen said...
Dec-5-09 12:03am I recently spent 2 days going through the Department of Corrections records made available to me on an Open Records Request and Subpoena.
A few things I found in Hilton's Department of Corrections records that stood out were:
Hilton's testing showed he has an IQ of 102 WRAT scores: R-12.9, M-6.5, S-12.9
Hilton claims 14 years of education, received GED plus 2 years college,
Spent 3 years in US Army, Infantry, 3/1964-3/1967 (age 18-21) received Honorable Discharge at E4 Rank,
Hilton claims Flight Instruction training and Pilot Certification in 1970 after his discharge from Army.
Hilton's father, William F. Hilton, is dead, and was killed by Hilton's step mother.
Hilton claims No brothers and No sisters,
Hilton is 3 times divorced, no children, no family support
His Birth place was Atlanta, in Fulton County
For Religion he claims none
Hilton's natural Parents separated when he was less than age 5.
Hilton was raised to age 14 by his natural mother
Hilton spent some time in foster care from age 14-17 years old and then joined the Army at age 18.
Hilton's mother, Cleo Reynolds (Hilton) Debag was later married to Nilo Debag who was deceased at age 90 in Broward, Florida on Nov. 1, 2006. Hilton's Mother age 84 now lives in SC and has no contact with him.
There was not much mention of the MS or any special medical needs.
Hilton claims his Parents had no drug or alcohol or arrest backgrounds
Hilton claims to have been Homeless for 8 months after leaving John Tabor's house in Dekalb where he lived for 9 years until sometime in 2007.
Hilton claims he escaped from a Dade Co. FL Juvenile. Det Center after being detained for 2 weeks for attempted murder of his Step-Father.
Hilton claims he was Arrested 10 times as an adult, 5 times as a Juvenile.
Hilton claims to have used drugs as a juvenile
Claims the Age first arrested was 12 years old for breaking and entering (1958).
Hilton admits to the 1982 firebombing of house of Ex-girlfriend's brother (the Green's) in an attempt to kill him, says the charges were dropped for lack of evidence. The younger sister who identified him was 17 at the time. Hilton was age 36.
Hilton admits to past homosexual behavior, but denies current tendencies
Hilton claims past excessive use of alcohol, Quaaludes, Amphetamines, Cocaine, and Marijuana, denies recent use of anything but Marijuana
Hilton claims current Murder charges for Meredith Emerson are not due to drugs or alcohol
Keep in mind these are mostly things Hilton is claiming.
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I have commented many times concerning Gary Michael Hilton, torching his fiance's house in 1982, with occupants in Dekalb Co., GA. Why wasn't GMH, incarcerated since 1982? Why is the media(local & national)silent and not reporting this?
From a concerned citizen(GA Peach), who filed a FOIA request and after numerous delays:
HE: Gary Michael Hilton
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http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs...urrentPage=529
He set two gallon jugs of gasoline in the carport of the Green family home with 2 strings leading up the driveway where he sat in his "BLACK CAMERO" ( A NEW CAR TO ADD TO THE LIST OF HIS VEHICLES) then set the strings on fire. They, Ms. Green and her family (her sister and brother) members heard a noise ran out of the house and were able to put out the fire with a hose. It happened at 0001 hours. When Hilton was driving off he hit a parked car, thus the hit & run charge. One of the young ladies in the Green family had dated Hilton a few times, but broke it off. That was in Feb. 1982. In May, 2 weeks before the fire on May 28, 1982 he started calling to harass her asking if she wanted to make some money prostituting for him. She said he sounded like he had eaten a few ludes and she hung up on him. He was arrested on First Degree Arson charges and booked into Dekalb County jail. He lived at the time at 5135 West Mountain St. #A-17, Stone Mountain, GA. The report indicates the Green's signed statements that they knew who the arsonist was and could positively identify him as Hilton, but I guess he just found a way to talk his way out of it or the girls were just too afraid of him and what he might do next.
Case #82-103081 & #82-103082, the report ends with case is closed and cleared, pending criminal prosecution. Hilton signed for a copy of the report on June 11, 1982.
Inmate's Booking Details
Last Name First Name / MI SPN # Birth Date Age At Booking Released
HILTON GARY MICHAEL 00120663 22-NOV-46 35 28-MAY-82
Arrested: 28-MAY-82 Released: 28-MAY-82 Arresting Officer: Badge: 1921 Agency: DEKALB COUNTY POLICE DEPT Arrest Number: 82103081
*Booking No: 8210583 Booked-In: 28-MAY-82 04:05 PM Booked-Out: 28-MAY-82 08:37 PM
Charges from Jail System
Warrant
No. Seq
No. Maint.
Code Charge Level / Code
and Description Offense
Date Disposition
Desc Disposition
Date Sentence
Description Sentence
Length Start
Date
176776 -- --
F 2007--ARSON 1ST DEGREE
28-MAY-82
177723 -- --
M S40-6-270--Hit and run; duty of driver to stop at or return to scene of
As in any culture, or in any community spread across this great Nation, there are those who refuse or are unable to adapt to a civilized society, skirting the rules and laws that guide the rest of us through life. Fortunately they are the exception rather than the rule. Due to their selfish need to fulfill their evil desires or sexual fantasies, their lack of empathy for others, as well as their self assurance of remaining anonymous or stealth by hiding behind their masks of normalcy (at least in the darkness of their minds), they resort to the unimaginable, or unconscionable..
These psycopathetic predators, who know no boundaries of sanity, prey on unsuspecting innocent victims. Many of these predators hone their skills with each innocent victim devoured, increasing confidence and causing escalation.
Although, most of these predators have an uncanning ability to shield their motives, their expressionless face, hiding behind their fake smiles, combined with their lifeless eyes can not conceal this lie.
The only effective weapon that we all posses, is detection: Be cautious, adhere to personal safety rules, and 'Trust your Natural Instincts'.
We all have to be on guard 24/7 and look out for each other..
Things are not always as they seem...
Wolfscratch
■GMH, pulled a few of his teeth out with pliers to make him appear more evil & said,“when I come off my meds, the Demons come back.”
Evil, Demonic; Convicted Prolific Serial Killer: Gary Michael Hilton, and his Attorney; Inez Suber, in Judge Lewis’s courtroom(American People’s courtroom) Is this proper Courtroom Decorum?
Where is the Justice for his many, many victims? Where is the Constitutional Rights of the American People? Gary Michael Hilton, only had four friends, Three were Attorneys: ‘Officers of the Court’…
“Why The Silence”
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=CD&Dato=20080910&Kategori=PHOTOS03&Lopenr=809100803&Ref=PH
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